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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Murray Grossan wrote: > On 10/23/05 10:33 PM, in article lurol1941hpjibrijke8viaob245jkm…@4ax.com, > "Don Brady" <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote: >>On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 03:09:18 GMT, "paules…@earthlink.net" >><paules…@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>This is a cold laser that is >>>used externally. It’s not the hot laser used for cutting or burning, >>>this laser works differently, Low Level Laser Therapy. >>Oh ok I just assumed without looking carefully. Sorry about that. >>>How does it work? >>>Many theories exist as to the mechanism of action for Low Level Laser >>>Therapy(3LT
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Genes Linked to Sinusitis The discovery could lead to new treatments for the respiratory condition that affects some 37 million Americans, researchers say. By Steven Reinberg HealthDay Reporter FRIDAY, Oct. 8 (HealthDayNews) — A new study contends sinusitis seems to have genetic underpinnings, and the finding might one day lead to new treatments for the condition that clogs the nasal passages of some 37 million Americans each year. After a three-year analysis, Johns Hopkins scientists came to the conclusion that sinus disease may be caused by genes that produce too much or too little of certain proteins; one gene shows particular promise as a possible treatment. The report appears in the Oct. 8 online issue of the Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology…. The new findings give clues to which genes may play a role in controlling this illness, the researchers said…. Kim’s team found that, when compared with healthy tissue, 192 genes were up-regulated in diseased tissue and 156 were down-regulated. Why certain genes do that in sinus disease is not known, Kim said. "The most interesting finding was that the most down-regulated gene was the protein CC10," Kim said. "This protein is present in respiratory tissues and is necessary for neonatal lung development." In addition, CC10 is being used now to help neonatal lung development in premature babies, Kim noted. "Perhaps if we were to replace the level of CC10, we could have a good treatment for sinus disease," she said. Replacing the levels of CC10 in diseased tissue is the next step in the team’s research, Kim added…. http://drkoop.com/newsdetail/93/521657.html [ IMHO, this finding is consistent with the Mayo Clinic's own theory of allergic fungal sinusitis. Mayo couldn't explain why some patients' sinuses react to the presence of fungi and other folks don't react that way. Perhaps the difference is genetic. ] — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
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Scooped you on that back on 10/8. I was surprised no one reacted to it. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&threadm=4… or http://tinyurl.com/4cmpj – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Steven Litvintchouk wrote: > Genes Linked to Sinusitis > The discovery could lead to new treatments for the respiratory condition > that affects some 37 million Americans, researchers say. > By Steven Reinberg > HealthDay Reporter > FRIDAY, Oct. 8 (HealthDayNews) — A new study contends sinusitis seems > to have genetic underpinnings, and the finding might one day lead to new > treatments for the condition that clogs the nasal passages of some 37 > million Americans each year. > After a three-year analysis, Johns Hopkins scientists came to the > conclusion that sinus disease may be caused by genes that produce too > much or too little of certain proteins; one gene shows particular > promise as a possible treatment. > The report appears in the Oct. 8 online issue of the Journal of Allergy > and Clinical Immunology…. > The new findings give clues to which genes may play a role in > controlling this illness, the researchers said…. > Kim’s team found that, when compared with healthy tissue, 192 genes were > up-regulated in diseased tissue and 156 were down-regulated. Why certain > genes do that in sinus disease is not known, Kim said. > "The most interesting finding was that the most down-regulated gene was > the protein CC10," Kim said. "This protein is present in respiratory > tissues and is necessary for neonatal lung development." > In addition, CC10 is being used now to help neonatal lung development in > premature babies, Kim noted. "Perhaps if we were to replace the level of > CC10, we could have a good treatment for sinus disease," she said. > Replacing the levels of CC10 in diseased tissue is the next step in the > team’s research, Kim added…. > http://drkoop.com/newsdetail/93/521657.html > [ > IMHO, this finding is consistent with the Mayo Clinic's own theory of > allergic fungal sinusitis. Mayo couldn't explain why some patients' > sinuses react to the presence of fungi and other folks don't react that > way. Perhaps the difference is genetic. > ]
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Lately, my muscles have been very sore. And I don’t over work out my body. Could this be assoiated with Sinusits? I feel as if my muscles are buldging at places and not getting enough Oxygen 
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 05:02:59 -0400, "Jeffito123" <jeffyswo…@hotmail.com> wrote: >Lately, my muscles have been very sore. And I don’t over work out my body. > Could this be assoiated with Sinusits? I feel as if my muscles are >buldging at places and not getting enough Oxygen
No.
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"Jeffito123" <jeffyswo…@hotmail.com> wrote: >Lately, my muscles have been very sore. And I don’t over work out my body. > Could this be assoiated with Sinusits? I feel as if my muscles are >buldging at places and not getting enough Oxygen
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Are you on medications for the sinusitis? I was on the antibiotic Levaquin after a finding of overgrowth of psuedomonas. During the 30 day course I developed muscle, joint, and tendon pain…every square inch of my body hurts. The pain continues even after stopping treatment. Ten days now. I am going to get tested to see if I didn’t metabolize meds properly or something else popped up at the same time. Anyway, if you are on any meds call your pharmacist and see if the side effects include muscle/joint pain.
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Hi everyone, I had a really tough cold in Jan. Its gave me an ear infection which was making me dizzy and such. I went to the Doctor, he put me on avalox, steriod pills and a decongestive. Well I finished the meds. Still had problems. Went to a nose/ear dr. He said I have negative pressure in my ears caused by an inflammtion in my sinus’s. A few years ago I had sinusitis. Im guessing its back. I have frontal pressure and headachs, side presssure and vertigo from my ears. Im taking nasonex. Does anyone know of pressure relief? Especially the ears, the dizziness when Im driving is no good. Thx.
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Try to direct the Nasonex in the direction of your ears by gravity. This will help the ears to open up. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
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I have that negative pressure in one ear causing a ringing or buzzing sound, dxd by audio exam at my ENTs office. The doc told me to try to equalize the pressure by holding my nose and blowing to pop it as often as three times a day. I’m not sure if it’s helped or not yet. I think I got my problem from airplane ride combined with cold almost 3 yrs ago, just let it go ’til now for more important issues. I know this is a controversial treatment on this ng. But I’m trying what my ENT prescribed. jhfe…@yahoo.com (John) wrote:
<< Hi everyone, I had a really tough cold in Jan. Its gave me an ear infection which was making me dizzy and such. I went to the Doctor, he put me on avalox, steriod pills and a decongestive. Well I finished the meds. Still had problems. Went to a nose/ear dr. He said I have negative pressure in my ears caused by an inflammtion in my sinus’s. A few years ago I had sinusitis. Im guessing its back. I have frontal pressure and headachs, side presssure and vertigo from my ears. Im taking nasonex. Does anyone know of pressure relief? Especially the ears, the dizziness when Im driving is no good. Thx. >><BR><BR> Sue M.
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On 21 Dec 2003 18:50:31 -0800, turbina…@hotmail.com (turbinates) wrote: >If they are "SPECIALISTs" with so many "YEARS" of experience and we >have to seek one after the other for an appropiate answer, there is >definite something not right. >Instead of trying to understand the problem, educating and advising >the patients on a proper course of action, they tend to ‘RECRUIT’ >patients for surgery. "You can have the surgery next week, someone >just canceled that appointment". >And most of them are like that…what is your chance of bumping into a >good one if there is only one bad one in your town… >Both you and I are probably doing a better job than many ENTs out >there…but it should not be that way.
You are correct. But I suspect that the real truth is that all of the Science of Medicine is full of trial and error and variation and success and failure and different skill levels and varying schools of surgical techniques. So you have to do your own research if you can. Another example is the proper remedy for hyperthroidism. In North America, they ablate the thyroid (i.e. destroy it) which then implies a lifetime of supplemental thyroxine since you are then hypothyroid. In Europe, they use antithyroid drugs. medicine on an ongoing basis instead – an arguably much more conservative approach. Two completetly different approaches with radically different effects on the patients’ life. Do you think they tell the patient about the different schools and give hm or her a choice?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message <news:vnrcuvkbfrcje7js3i8jso0u116f1dm3el@4ax.com>… > On 21 Dec 2003 18:50:31 -0800, turbina…@hotmail.com (turbinates) wrote: > >If they are "SPECIALISTs" with so many "YEARS" of experience and we > >have to seek one after the other for an appropiate answer, there is > >definite something not right. > >Instead of trying to understand the problem, educating and advising > >the patients on a proper course of action, they tend to ‘RECRUIT’ > >patients for surgery. "You can have the surgery next week, someone > >just canceled that appointment". > >And most of them are like that…what is your chance of bumping into a > >good one if there is only one bad one in your town… > >Both you and I are probably doing a better job than many ENTs out > >there…but it should not be that way. > You are correct. > But I suspect that the real truth is that all of the Science of Medicine is > full of trial and error and variation and success and failure and different > skill levels and varying schools of surgical techniques. So you have to do > your own research if you can.
Greed is also in the truth. On one hand we have the lawyers exploiting the mistakes of the medical profession, and on the other hand we have an incompetent profession which is trying very hard to protect (by limiting the number of practioners) and to maximise its income (surgery is the most efficient way of making money). There is simply no time to think about the patient, to work out the best possible treatment for the patient, they can’t remember or care who is who. More mistakes are being made as they have to work longer and longer hour to pay for skyrocketting insurance premium. Successful medicine needs only ‘dedication and care’. The current litigation climax in north america and is spreading to australia, is arising from the fact that there is a disctinct lack of ‘dedication and care’ the patients feel grossly mislead, lied and ignored from their once trusted doctors. > Another example is the proper remedy for hyperthroidism. In North America, > they ablate the thyroid (i.e. destroy it) which then implies a lifetime of > supplemental thyroxine since you are then hypothyroid.
The docs are being also pressured by the surgical equipment companies, drug companies, private hospitals etc etc to prescibe the treatment that are benifical to those companies. > In Europe, they use antithyroid drugs. medicine on an ongoing basis instead – > an arguably much more conservative approach. > Two completetly different approaches with radically different effects on the > patients’ life. Do you think they tell the patient about the different schools > and give hm or her a choice?
It costs time and energy to offer a choice and if the patient is put on conservative treatment, the specialist could lose that patient. What would a businessman do? If you over feed the fish in the tank, they tend to slock the surplus, the stocked food will be rotton and become poisonous to the water… Don, I wish you a merry Chrismas. Take care.
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I was just advised to have surgery (and he’s got a spot open next week!) because of deviated septum, sleep apnea and areas of pus on CT scan. I know a number of people who’ve had sinus surgery who developed problems again two years down the road. It seems like such an invasive procedure with a not-too-hot success rate. Has anyone had success removing areas of infection using irrigation techniques? I’ve been using a neti pot for years, but I imagine that just reaches nasal cavities. Just tried Can Do’s method this evening, but the liquid just seemed to run out. Would one of the water-pik devices reach my trouble areas successfully? Help!
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What type of position did you take when trying my procedure? Did you kneel on the floor and put the top of your head down so that your face is facing your body, and your nostrils were facing up? Did you get any foam? Did it burn at all? Did you stay down for a few minutes? When you lifted your head, did any liquid pour out or your nose? A lot of the peroxide/baking soda liquid would flow out of my nose during the technique, especially when my sinuses were swollen and closed. But, enough of the liquid would seep deep into my sinus cavities, where it could attack diseased mucus, diseased junk and infected membranes. The entire purpose of the "upside down" flooding is to get the great anti-infective mix of peroxide and baking soda into the sinus cavities where it can go to war against what is in the sinuses. I am sad to hear that my technique didn’t help you. Let me know if you have any questions. Regards, CanDo. "Janine Maves" <jma…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:2MMEb.5548$wL6.2463@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was just advised to have surgery (and he’s got a spot open next week!) > because of deviated septum, sleep apnea and areas of pus on CT scan. I know > a number of people who’ve had sinus surgery who developed problems again two > years down the road. It seems like such an invasive procedure with a > not-too-hot success rate. > Has anyone had success removing areas of infection using irrigation > techniques? I’ve been using a neti pot for years, but I imagine that just > reaches nasal cavities. Just tried Can Do’s method this evening, but the > liquid just seemed to run out. Would one of the water-pik devices reach my > trouble areas successfully? Help!
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hi, sleepanemia I dont know about. I have a deviated septum. large polips, ect. They want to operate. First get a secound or third opinion. Dont tell any of them you seen a ENT. Then see what they say. Im sure you had a cat scan. Correct? I am not having the sergery. Maybe in the future if they get there shit together and have a practical one. My ENT did not give me the options I wanted to hear. He said if he had to get at the polips that fess would not than he had to cut into my inner lip and take the rest out that way., among other things. He made it sound like it is no big deal but did not really answer my concerns. It is a big deal . It is a operation. Then he said I have to use a nasal spray (rhinocort, flonase ect the rest of my life. At this time i will just do what Im doing. The more I think of it the more I think what a f—– idiot this doctor was. Along with a lot of Fast paced idiot doctors out there. Do I sound ticked off? I am… Doctors need to get it together. This doctor just pushed me in and out. F— em. Sorry for being blunt. But please get 1-2 more opinions. Thank you.
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"Can do" <rasm1…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:9XNEb.805$Ol1.561@bignews3.bellsouth.net… > What type of position did you take when trying my procedure? Did you kneel > on the floor and put the top of your head down so that your face is facing > your body, and your nostrils were facing up?
Yes, but in this position I didn’t seem to get any liquid into me. I had better luck tucking in my chin and tilting my head so that the crown on my head was on the shower floor, but it’s pretty hard to hold that position for any length of time 
> Did you get any foam? Did it burn at all? Did you stay down for a few > minutes? When you lifted your head, did any liquid pour out or your nose?
I did stay down for a few minutes, but didn’t get a lot of foaminess and the liquid that drained out was pretty clear, which is why I wondered if I was only getting at the same areas I reach with the neti pot every day. I have felt kind of congested ever since, which I notice some others reported after using your method, so maybe this is the start of opening up some new areas. I’ll give it another try tomorrow. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A lot of the peroxide/baking soda liquid would flow out of my nose during > the technique, especially when my sinuses were swollen and closed. But, > enough of the liquid would seep deep into my sinus cavities, where it could > attack diseased mucus, diseased junk and infected membranes. > The entire purpose of the "upside down" flooding is to get the great > anti-infective mix of peroxide and baking soda into the sinus cavities where > it can go to war against what is in the sinuses. > I am sad to hear that my technique didn’t help you. Let me know if you have > any questions. > Regards, CanDo. > "Janine Maves" <jma…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:2MMEb.5548$wL6.2463@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net… > > I was just advised to have surgery (and he’s got a spot open next week!) > > because of deviated septum, sleep apnea and areas of pus on CT scan. I > know > > a number of people who’ve had sinus surgery who developed problems again > two > > years down the road. It seems like such an invasive procedure with a > > not-too-hot success rate. > > Has anyone had success removing areas of infection using irrigation > > techniques? I’ve been using a neti pot for years, but I imagine that just > > reaches nasal cavities. Just tried Can Do’s method this evening, but the > > liquid just seemed to run out. Would one of the water-pik devices reach > my > > trouble areas successfully? Help!
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"Flushface" <questor…@aol.com> wrote in message > I wish I never had any type of surgery. The doctor did exactly what > you said and now I am miserable, worse off, and have to flush > everyday. I cannot escape from the constant thought of how he ruined > my life. Don’t get surgery.
what kind of surgery did you have done? what problems are you having now as a result? — —– Ruth Berry Signature Images http://www.berryimages.com 1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
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Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message <news:66vbuvg4h5huj53cdu0t6s2svtitc7k1pn@4ax.com>… > Yes the trick is for each person to decide when surgery is needed and when it > is not, and also who to have do it. > When they have done enough research, and seen enough specialists, that they > *know* (not guess or assume or take someone else’s word) the answer to this > question, then the decision is clear.
If they are "SPECIALISTs" with so many "YEARS" of experience and we have to seek one after the other for an appropiate answer, there is definite something not right. Instead of trying to understand the problem, educating and advising the patients on a proper course of action, they tend to ‘RECRUIT’ patients for surgery. "You can have the surgery next week, someone just canceled that appointment". And most of them are like that…what is your chance of bumping into a good one if there is only one bad one in your town… Both you and I are probably doing a better job than many ENTs out there…but it should not be that way. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Until then, they are not ready for surgery. > Incidentallly, surgery has helped me a lot and I think I would never have been > able to clear the worst aspects of my sinusitis without it. But it took me > literally over 10 years to finally decide on surgery, and I had it done by one > of the very top sinus surgeons in the country.
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turbinates wrote: > Most doctor would say their success rate are around 80-90 %, so your > statistic of 70% seems to be closer to the truth.
I believe 70% was the result of a study done by the Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit some years ago. It involved follow-up studies to see how the patients did over the next months and years. Doctors who say their success rate is 90% may not have followed up with their patients to see if they relapsed a year or so later. > Do you know what > happen to the other 30%?
Minor improvement, or no improvement, or (in a few cases) patient gets worse, or (in a very few cases) major complications. > is there (or will there be) any study from > the docs about this faiure rate, whether the poor patients end up > worse off or the same?
The Henry Ford Hospital study probably did keep statistics on the patients who didn’t get cured, but I don’t remember what those were. > I ‘ve been wondering for the last few years about the rate which peope > were recommeded surgery but did not take it up and somehow have become > cured after ward with conservative treatment, i.e the needless surgery > rate. This rate will probably never be looked at.
Why not? — Steven L.
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Yes the trick is for each person to decide when surgery is needed and when it is not, and also who to have do it. When they have done enough research, and seen enough specialists, that they *know* (not guess or assume or take someone else’s word) the answer to this question, then the decision is clear. Until then, they are not ready for surgery. Incidentallly, surgery has helped me a lot and I think I would never have been able to clear the worst aspects of my sinusitis without it. But it took me literally over 10 years to finally decide on surgery, and I had it done by one of the very top sinus surgeons in the country.
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Steven Litvintchouk <sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message <news:iWkFb.3412$IM3.817@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>… > turbinates wrote: > > Most doctor would say their success rate are around 80-90 %, so your > > statistic of 70% seems to be closer to the truth. > I believe 70% was the result of a study done by the Henry Ford Hospital > in Detroit some years ago. It involved follow-up studies to see how the > patients did over the next months and years. > Doctors who say their success rate is 90% may not have followed up with > their patients to see if they relapsed a year or so later.
This is outright lazy (not to follow up) and misleading (inaccurate stat), and is a criminal offence to delibrately give out false data to the patients. The risk is being reduced and benefit is beeing beefed up to woo patients into taking unneccasry procedures. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Do you know what > > happen to the other 30%? > Minor improvement, or no improvement, or (in a few cases) patient gets > worse, or (in a very few cases) major complications. > > is there (or will there be) any study from > > the docs about this faiure rate, whether the poor patients end up > > worse off or the same? > The Henry Ford Hospital study probably did keep statistics on the > patients who didn’t get cured, but I don’t remember what those were. > > I ‘ve been wondering for the last few years about the rate which peope > > were recommeded surgery but did not take it up and somehow have become > > cured after ward with conservative treatment, i.e the needless surgery > > rate. This rate will probably never be looked at. > Why not?
Firstly, the patient would not come back, pay a hefty sum to the doctor to tell him/her that "Doctor, I have become better without surgery…" Secondly, doc won’t spend the time to collect such data, and then tell theirs patients that "I have recommdended 10 people for surgerry, 3 did not take it and somehow have become better with cando ’s H2O2 upside down irrigation etc and ect" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — Steven L.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -jimmy14…@webtv.net (Jim Jam) wrote in message <news:2361-3FE3B657-135@storefull-2214.public.lawson.webtv.net>… > hi, sleepanemia I dont know about. I have a deviated septum. large > polips, ect. They want to operate. First get a secound or third opinion. > Dont tell any of them you seen a ENT. Then see what they say. Im sure > you had a cat scan. Correct? I am not having the sergery. Maybe in the > future if they get there shit together and have a practical one. My ENT > did not give me the options I wanted to hear. He said if he had to get > at the polips that fess would not than he had to cut into my inner lip > and take the rest out that way., > among other things. He made it sound like it is no big deal but did not > really answer my concerns. It is a big deal . It is a operation. Then > he said I have to use a nasal spray (rhinocort, flonase ect the rest of > my life. At this time i will just do what Im doing. The more I think of > it the more I think what a f—– idiot this doctor was. Along with a > lot of Fast paced idiot doctors out there. Do I sound ticked off? I > am… Doctors need to get it together. This doctor just pushed me in and > out. F— em. Sorry for being blunt. But please get 1-2 more opinions. > Thank you.
I have done considerable research and pondering on the same subject and I have had the exact feelings,however you have to ask yourself,how miserable am I and is the risk of surgery worth the possible benifits?I have had 2 surgeries in the past 6 months and had alot of polyps removed so I speak from my own experience. Usually sinus surgery is a means to relieve symptoms the key word being symptoms.In my case I feel I had to have surgery because my polyps were not going to magically dissappear.My ENT said to me "I have done over 300 surgeries of this type and never had anyone say they were sorry the had it done". As far as the lifetime of nose spay,it is preventative maintenance for polyp patiants.By taking the spray you are using one of only a few medical methods that has been proven to help prevent the reoccurance of polyps—no garantees. Bottom line is sinus disease is more often than not a uncurable process and the doctor is there to help you with your symptoms.I have come to grips with the fact that I will have sinus problems for the rest of my life,but I am going to do everything I can to maintain the best possible quality of life that I can. This is all based on my own situation and how I have perceived it. Russ
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Janine Maves wrote: > I was just advised to have surgery (and he’s got a spot open next week!) > because of deviated septum, sleep apnea and areas of pus on CT scan. I know > a number of people who’ve had sinus surgery who developed problems again two > years down the road. It seems like such an invasive procedure with a > not-too-hot success rate. > Has anyone had success removing areas of infection using irrigation > techniques? I’ve been using a neti pot for years, but I imagine that just > reaches nasal cavities. Just tried Can Do’s method this evening, but the > liquid just seemed to run out. Would one of the water-pik devices reach my > trouble areas successfully?
The problem is that as part of the inflammation process of sinusitis, the openings (ducts, ostia) to the sinus cavities can swell shut completely, in which case no method of irrigation will reach in there. Having a deviated septum makes that even more likely. You might ask your doctor for a short course of prednisone tablets which might open up all the sinuses long enough for irrigation to work. (Steroid nasal sprays may not reach into every sinus cavity.) Failing that, and I assume antibiotics haven’t worked for you either, then surgery may be your only option. It has a success rate of around 70%. But get a second opinion! I’m very suspicious of a doctor who tries to get you into surgery in just one week, because s/he knows it may take time to get a second opinion. — Steven L.
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I wish I never had any type of surgery. The doctor did exactly what you said and now I am miserable, worse off, and have to flush everyday. I cannot escape from the constant thought of how he ruined my life. Don’t get surgery. Start eating right,don’t smoke and take care of your nose by keeping well hydrated and even flushing with a mild noniodized salt,baking soda and distilled or purified water mixture occasionally when you have been doing something that has exposed you to a lot of allergens or dust or germs or etc.. GOOD LUCK and IF you still insist on surgery GET several opinions and make them describe every procedure and method of doing it!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Steven Litvintchouk <sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message <news:DT0Fb.2460$IM3.2282@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>… > Janine Maves wrote: > > I was just advised to have surgery (and he’s got a spot open next week!) > > because of deviated septum, sleep apnea and areas of pus on CT scan. I know > > a number of people who’ve had sinus surgery who developed problems again two > > years down the road. It seems like such an invasive procedure with a > > not-too-hot success rate. > > Has anyone had success removing areas of infection using irrigation > > techniques? I’ve been using a neti pot for years, but I imagine that just > > reaches nasal cavities. Just tried Can Do’s method this evening, but the > > liquid just seemed to run out. Would one of the water-pik devices reach my > > trouble areas successfully? > The problem is that as part of the inflammation process of sinusitis, > the openings (ducts, ostia) to the sinus cavities can swell shut > completely, in which case no method of irrigation will reach in there. > Having a deviated septum makes that even more likely. > You might ask your doctor for a short course of prednisone tablets which > might open up all the sinuses long enough for irrigation to work. > (Steroid nasal sprays may not reach into every sinus cavity.) > Failing that, and I assume antibiotics haven’t worked for you either, > then surgery may be your only option. It has a success rate of around > 70%. But get a second opinion! I’m very suspicious of a doctor who > tries to get you into surgery in just one week, because s/he knows it > may take time to get a second opinion. > — Steven L.
Most doctor would say their success rate are around 80-90 %, so your statistic of 70% seems to be closer to the truth. Do you know what happen to the other 30%? is there (or will there be) any study from the docs about this faiure rate, whether the poor patients end up worse off or the same? I ‘ve been wondering for the last few years about the rate which peope were recommeded surgery but did not take it up and somehow have become cured after ward with conservative treatment, i.e the needless surgery rate. This rate will probably never be looked at. Kind regards.
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===> "Janine Maves", you said: "Yes, but in this position I didn’t seem to get any liquid into me. I had better luck tucking in my chin and tilting my head so that the crown on my head was on the shower floor, but it’s pretty hard to hold that position for any length of time " <=== Sorry to hear that your sinuses were not successfully flooded with peroxide and baking soda. If you can’t get the anti-infective liquid to seep deep within the sinuses cavities, it won’t be able to destroy the infections within the sinus cavities. I have no idea why anyone’s "upside down" nose won’t hold fluids, but then I am not a doctor nor a scientist, and have no idea of your own individual system. Are you sure that you put the top, of your head, flat on the floor of the shower, while kneeling on both knees? In other words, your head would have been almost upside down. Regardless, I wish you the best of luck, and hope that everything turns out great for you! Have a happy and healthy Xmas and New Year! CanDo.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -jimmy14…@webtv.net (Jim Jam) wrote in message <news:2361-3FE3B657-135@storefull-2214.public.lawson.webtv.net>… > hi, sleepanemia I dont know about. I have a deviated septum. large > polips, ect. They want to operate. First get a secound or third opinion. > Dont tell any of them you seen a ENT. Then see what they say. Im sure > you had a cat scan. Correct? I am not having the sergery. Maybe in the > future if they get there shit together and have a practical one. My ENT > did not give me the options I wanted to hear. He said if he had to get > at the polips that fess would not than he had to cut into my inner lip > and take the rest out that way., > among other things. He made it sound like it is no big deal but did not > really answer my concerns. It is a big deal . It is a operation. Then > he said I have to use a nasal spray (rhinocort, flonase ect the rest of > my life. At this time i will just do what Im doing. The more I think of > it the more I think what a f—– idiot this doctor was. Along with a > lot of Fast paced idiot doctors out there. Do I sound ticked off? I > am… Doctors need to get it together. This doctor just pushed me in and > out. F— em. Sorry for being blunt. But please get 1-2 more opinions. > Thank you.
Many doctors are urging patients into elective surgeries without much though about the patients at all. They are trying to maximise their efficiencies (in generating incomes) by communicating as little as possible (to avoid questions =time saved) I am truly DISGUSTED at the "it-can’t fail" impression before surgery and and the lies that they would give when things go wrong post-surgery.
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ENT re-prescribed massive Ceftin antibios, plus steroids, and a cream for the itching-till-madness ears. Felt so nice yesterday, before I took the ceftin, having stretched the last ones over the weekend and taking half the dosage then, and the body having a short break -if the swelling seemed to show wanting to start again at the slightest chance… Iodine scan Sunday, with a guest at home…Poor him:(…Then Monday morning at 8:35, seing ENT again for results of scan…Maybe then my guest can sleep in late while I go wait at that hospital ENT emergency for outside patients…. Steroids are in nasal spray. A warning on a pamphelt to the patient to not let anyone use them as may be having very adverse effects on one not needing them for bad sinusitis. And a warning to athletes that while the medication is not listed on the drugs list for athletes, it woudl show up in urine tests, disqualifying them…while it supposedly does not get in the blood stream. Beats me how a spray can get from the nose to the bladder without entering the blood stream. Didn’t know there was a direct tube between the nose and the bladder;-). Dunno if was secondary effects of the spray or fatigue from carrying 200 bricks and woods in the house to make shelf units, but I crashed asleep within 15 minutes of taking the stuff. So happens that Graves is treated in the USA with steroids. Not in Canada, unfortunately, or was not the last time I checked, if I complained about that. Within 6 months with steroids, bye bye Graves for keeps over 90% of the time. With other stuff, bye bye thyroid gland, hello synthetic thyroidine for the rest of your life in 90% of cases, if not right away, somewhere down the line… The steroids then might help with the thyroid gland too. Yay! I also must say that after only one use of the spray, the spot that would never want to go away and reinflamme and sawell up the entire face, from base of neck to eye and forehead area, finally went down somewhat. There is hope it works then. But takes months apparently… I just hope I won’t grow a beard;-) Muscular fatigue is incredible with the massive dosage of ceftin. There, I don’t even know if the spray, not strong steroids, will counteract that bad effect of the ceftin. One can hope though it would help. I also had the impression that within 10 minutes, that stuff got to whatever is bugging me between my throat and my right ear… Making the ear hurt, unfortunately. But hopefully only temporarily… Cream against itchy ears seem to work. Was tired of being told to put baby oil or vegetable oil in my ears, when it had absolutely no effect whatsoever save making my ears smell like diapers or like salad, depending on which I would try;-) Me thinks the steroid might just work, if the eff4ect I feel after only one dosage goes on, and if not related to the taking the usual dosage of ceftin rather than cut it in two as I ahd to the last days to make it to the ENT apointment without no ceftin just before, and swelling up all over my face again. Lips having a hard time. As if bursting or splitting to try and make a whole for whatever is trapped in the jaw/sinus to come out…Those are spots on lips that were stitched after the assault, where an idiot at the emergency stitched the inside of the lips over the outside, i.e. stitched what came out of the split mouth and lips over the lips without pushing it back inside first. These spots have periodically split oopne on their own as if needing to take back their normal place and order, insides in and outside out. But this has to eb the longest and worse time they did that, where it seems endless and yet seems to havestarted from en side of the mouth and going through tot he other, as if it decided that this time it woudl do the entire whatever it needs to to get back to normal, regardless of what I think of it or what it feels like. Thank God, so far it does not look anything as bad as it feels and actually is. Whatever is goign on seems to be kept mainly under the top layer of the lips, only showing a bit, where I yet can feel the entire lips skin being ripped off, raw… As it heels though, I get to have more normal, less white and blue, lips and smile. Just more bumpy a smile for now, and smile too much and see it split an inch wide again… I decided to belieev that meant good news and healing. I’ll be darnbed: the spot that remained so "hard" under the skin, between nose and cheek, and that woudl get reinflammed the second I woudl stop the antibios DOES seem to finally start getting more diffused, less hard…It’s about &^% time!!!! Steroids were the next thing on the list of things to try and make my gp see were needed on my apointment of the ten, for the thyroid. Lordy lord, could they finally have come up with soemthign that will work?? I dunno how that treatment will work with the one I am supposed to start for three months on the tenth, for fixing the potential dammages of the long term massive antibios treatment…Steroids for now are for 35 days, might be renewed if needed or indicated… Hm. Thyroid gland bump down by about 25% too!!!! If ever that thryoid gland goes down with that weak dosage of steroids, I know one endocrinologist that will be told of it, and pressured this time to wrote a paper on their absolute need in the case of Graves disease, to get the Canadian food and drug to move their rear end… What is one supposed to do? Get the darn stuff illegally in some gym, or get registered for the olympics, to get them steroids through illegal means when medically indicated as the only real effective treatment??? Heck, they let poeple legally have a joint, morphine and cocaine for less trouble! Crossing my fingers that I woudl be seing the light at the end of the tunnel, and that it ainlt a train….;-) C —
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"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:bauvof$bmo$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… > ENT re-prescribed massive Ceftin antibios, plus steroids, and a cream for > the itching-till-madness ears.
Steroids made Jerry Lewis really fat…of course he’s dying, so I guess he’s not too worried about it. "Kids these days, they don’t know ‘Hardly Working’, they don’t know ‘Cinderfella’!" You could probably get any prescription drug you want off an internet pharmacy, as long as someone writes a prescription. Hell, in Mexico you can get *anything*. Laws controlling pharmaceuticals are much more lax.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I came across this group when I saw that Goggle is now doing groups on its search engine. And after reading some of the posts about cures, I’m somewhat reluctant to post this…. But I’m going to risk it anyway… Firstly let me say that I do NOT suffer from migraines… And I’ve read some posts about there are no cures for migraines! and I can also imagine how sufferers are constantly being conned or having their hopes dashed… Secondly let me say that I do not wish to make any money from what I’m about to say, in-fact the opposite… I think I have seen a cure
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Allegra spends 200 million dollars advertising their product – take pills. Since we don’t advertise in the NY Times I don’t think a letter from me explaining the many articles that recommend irrigation for sinusitis would be published. However a letter from the public might get published. It would be highly informative to explain that there are other treatment options available besides surgery, especially to persons whose only problem is slow mucus clearing. Newspapers really influence the public. After the Los Angeles Times article on Empty Nose Syndrome was published, many persons wrote that they were steered from turbinate removal to other forms of treatment with satisfactory results. Maybe a letter from you readers expalining other treatments could help other people too. Murray Grossan, M.D.
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"ENTconsult" <entcons…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021219233534.10391.00000256@mb-ba.aol.com… > Maybe a letter from you readers……
You really do use this NG for self-promotion, don’t you?
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For years I use to get awful migraine headaches. Finally a Dr. listened to me when I said, "I wake up with a sinus headache and it turns into a migraine." "If you take care of the sinus drainage, I will not have a headache at all" His solution was Allagra D for many years. Also years ago an ENT Dr. told me I had a deviated septum, but I didn’t do anything about it. My last visit to the Gen P. Dr. I told him the Allegra D isn’t working as well as it did in the beginning. He said I was on it long enough and to see an ENT. The drainage doesn’t bother me while I am awake but when I sleep on my side, that side of my sinus fills with drainage. I then turn over and then that side fills up and empties the other side. Sometimes it stays on my right side when I turn on my left. That is the side of the deviated septum. HERE IS MY QUESTION—– I can breath out of my nose, I know there is a deviated septem, Why is there drainage at all????????? In my mind I don’t think because the passage is narrow or curved, it should cause drainage???? How can a deviated septum cause this drainage. It doesn’t make sense???
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"tish" <jpa…@msn.com> wrote in message
news:a13e99d3.0211181931.55170dab@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For years I use to get awful migraine headaches. Finally a Dr. > listened to me when I said, "I wake up with a sinus headache and it > turns into a migraine." "If you take care of the sinus drainage, I > will not have a headache at all" His solution was Allagra D for many > years. Also years ago an ENT Dr. told me I had a deviated septum, but > I didn’t do anything about it. > My last visit to the Gen P. Dr. I told him the Allegra D isn’t working > as well as it did in the beginning. He said I was on it long enough > and to see an ENT. > The drainage doesn’t bother me while I am awake but when I sleep on my > side, that side of my sinus fills with drainage. I then turn over and > then that side fills up and empties the other side. Sometimes it > stays on my right side when I turn on my left. That is the side of the > deviated septum. > HERE IS MY QUESTION—– I can breath out of my nose, I know there is > a deviated septem, Why is there drainage at all????????? > In my mind I don’t think because the passage is narrow or curved, it > should cause drainage???? > How can a deviated septum cause this drainage. It doesn’t make > sense???
There are lots of drippy, gooey, soft tissue sinus structures (three sets of turbinates, maxorilly sinuses, ethmoid sinuses) that could be the REAL cause of your drainage and headaches rather that a deviated septum. Go to a good ENT and have them do an CT Scan on your sinuses with endoscopic review. This will show the problem areas. Search www.google.com for sinus ct scan and click the images Tab for pictures. Mike
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> There are lots of drippy, gooey, soft tissue sinus structures (three sets of > turbinates, maxorilly sinuses, ethmoid sinuses) that could be the REAL cause of > your drainage and headaches rather that a deviated septum. Go to a good ENT and > have them do an CT Scan on your sinuses with endoscopic review. This will show the > problem areas. > Search www.google.com for sinus ct scan and click the images Tab for pictures. > Mike
Yeah, and after you get done handing over a couple of thousand dollars to your doctor, would you send me a couple so I can buy a cup of coffee? I have had the most ungodly drainage since having a sinus infection in 1984. Yeah, it bugs the heck out of me but I have learned to live with it. I would avoid any drying agents (I am not sure if Allegra D is a drying agent or not) because they have been linked to disorders caused by shrinking of the brain (alzheimers being one). After all dehydration of the brain causes many problems, and as you know these types of medications can cause dehyradtion, especially if used on a regular basis. Oddly enough, I find that making sure my environment is fairly humid helps considerably as my nose tends to produce MORE in humid conditions. Likewise, I keep my home a little warmer than average (73 degrees), during the winter because I find that when the air is cool my nose is more productive. Often I have to wake up several times a night to blow my nose to get rid of the drainage that has built up during the night. Like you, during the day it just drains normally and isnt’ until night time that I have a lot of problems with it. (Although I have noticed that during particular peak periods of stress I always have a drippy nose!) I have just had to adapt my life by not wearing makeup and not getting jobs in food service! I would say, that unless you want to spend a fortune to have a doctor treat you (which may or may not work, anyway), that you just learn to deal with it. It’s been almost 20 years for me and I hardly even think about it anymore. the girl of many names
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"Her Name Was Lola" <l…@spamdump.com> wrote in message news:ard1pj0fhv@enews1.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > There are lots of drippy, gooey, soft tissue sinus structures (three sets > of > > turbinates, maxorilly sinuses, ethmoid sinuses) that could be the REAL > cause of > > your drainage and headaches rather that a deviated septum. Go to a good > ENT and > > have them do an CT Scan on your sinuses with endoscopic review. This will > show the > > problem areas. > > Search www.google.com for sinus ct scan and click the images Tab for > pictures. > > Mike > Yeah, and after you get done handing over a couple of thousand dollars to > your doctor, would you send me a couple so I can buy a cup of coffee? > I have had the most ungodly drainage since having a sinus infection in 1984. > Yeah, it bugs the heck out of me but I have learned to live with it. > the girl of many names
You would live with a problem/disease rather than find out the cause? Bet that doesn’t work with a lot of diseases or problems either 
) Mike
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Lori&Mike" <> wrote in message … > "Her Name Was Lola" <.com> wrote in message.com… > > > There are lots of drippy, gooey, soft tissue sinus structures (three sets > > of > > > turbinates, maxorilly sinuses, ethmoid sinuses) that could be the REAL > > cause of > > > your drainage and headaches rather that a deviated septum. Go to a good > > ENT and > > > have them do an CT Scan on your sinuses with endoscopic review. This will > > show the > > > problem areas. > > > Search www.google.com for sinus ct scan and click the images Tab for > > pictures. > > > Mike > > Yeah, and after you get done handing over a couple of thousand dollars to > > your doctor, would you send me a couple so I can buy a cup of coffee? > > I have had the most ungodly drainage since having a sinus infection in 1984. > > Yeah, it bugs the heck out of me but I have learned to live with it. > > the girl of many names > You would live with a problem/disease rather than find out the cause? Bet that > doesn’t work with a lot of diseases or problems either )
glad you said that Mike ! ! …… sounds like chronic sinus infection and it’s NOT getting any better being left untreated after 8 yrs of sinus infections one after the other, my Dr put me on the "special high intensity treatment" program……. and it finally cleared up for me!……….it’s been 3 yrs of feeling normal for a change…. what a NICE change! k
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Boy oh boy…….what is this "High Intensity Treatment"? My husband has had two sinus operations and he gets bad sinus infections every time he gets a cold……..My colds last about a week, his last about 6 weeks and then he is OK (not great) just OK for awhile and then he gets another sinus infection……Poor guy.. — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> after 8 yrs of sinus infections one after the other, my Dr put me on the > "special high intensity treatment" program……. and it finally cleared up > for me!……….it’s been 3 yrs of feeling normal for a change…. what a > NICE change! > k
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massive amounts of anti-biotics, cortico-steroid pills, beclonaise nasal spray (another cortico-steroid), salt water wash outs…….. and those suck!…. read the post about snuffling….. you inhale salt water…. until it starts to drain out again this went on for 3 months in total…. then it finally cleared!… i was SO happy to finally be rid of sinusitis! it’s been 3 yrs free of ANY sinus infections at all….. had 2 major sniffles incidents, but NO sinus infection…….. i attribute that to the CPAP heated humidifier good luck for your hubby "Janet" <jan…@wctel.net> wrote in message
news:arhdhu$es6r$1@news3.infoave.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Boy oh boy…….what is this "High Intensity Treatment"? My husband has > had two sinus operations and he gets bad sinus infections every time he gets > a cold……..My colds last about a week, his last about 6 weeks and then he > is OK (not great) just OK for awhile and then he gets another sinus > infection……Poor guy.. > — > > after 8 yrs of sinus infections one after the other, my Dr put me on the > > "special high intensity treatment" program……. and it finally cleared > up > > for me!……….it’s been 3 yrs of feeling normal for a change…. what a > > NICE change! > > k
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> glad you said that Mike ! ! …… sounds like chronic sinus infection and > it’s NOT getting any better being left untreated > after 8 yrs of sinus infections one after the other, my Dr put me on the > "special high intensity treatment" program……. and it finally cleared up > for me!……….it’s been 3 yrs of feeling normal for a change…. what a > NICE change! > k
Aside from the drip I don’t have any sinus infection type symptoms. No elevated white blood count; no low grade fever; no recurring sinus headaches; no recurring upper respiratory infections. Although I do admit that from time to time I will experience "mystery stinks", (where the smells are originating internally rather than externally), but today a doctor looked up my nose with his… uh…. nose-o-scope and didn’t find anything out of the ordinary… go figure. the girl of many names
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> > Yeah, and after you get done handing over a couple of thousand dollars to > > your doctor, would you send me a couple so I can buy a cup of coffee? > > I have had the most ungodly drainage since having a sinus infection in 1984. > > Yeah, it bugs the heck out of me but I have learned to live with it. > > the girl of many names > You would live with a problem/disease rather than find out the cause? Bet that > doesn’t work with a lot of diseases or problems either ) Mike
I’ve been to doctors and all they do is presribe antihistamines and steroid based nose sprays for me which mask the symptoms but do nothing to clear up the problem. I looked into a procedure that irrigates the sinus with water and then that water is super-heated. Supposedly this will reduce sinus problems by a huge degree, however, as I recall it was very expensive, had a lot of potential side effects and was not touted to be as effective as I would like (something like 60 percent showed "improvement" in their sinus condition). If there was a good, solid treatment out there that would do the trick I would look into it. But since 1984, I have found none. If you know of something please let me know. the girl of many names
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Get the deviated septum fixed, i had the same problems and now i dont anymore. Its a miracle what a non-deviated septum can do for you….
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"tish" <jpa…@msn.com> wrote in message
news:a13e99d3.0211221429.313e56b4@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Hey, what happened to tish (original poster )? > Thanks so much for getting back to me!!It got sooo off the subject > that I just gave up. > Anyway!!! I do not get very many sinus infections, so I can’t say > that is my problem either. > I would like the proper recipe for the sinus wash. I bought myself a > baby suction bulb and have done this but don’t really have the exact > amount of salt or what ever you use. > I have to say that I did buy those breathright bandaid things for my > nose and it did seem to help the first night I used it. I didn’t use > anything else. The second night, I woke up with a really bad headache. > Needless to say, I went back to my spray that Doc said he will not > renew the Rx because he wants me to have the operation. Which by the > way I put off until Jan until I decide what to do. > Thanks for anymore advice.
Here is a pretty good "recipe". http://www.fpnotebook.com/ENT142.htm Some variations use non-iodine salts. I’m almost ashamed to say I use tap water (sometimes warm, sometimes cool) with a pinch of ordinary table salt with no problems (I’m lazy ) You HAVE to lean forward over a sink or the water will go down your throat instead of out the other nostril. Also, can burn sometimes but my nasal passages ALWAYS feel more open and better after irrigation. Irrigation probably WON’T help your deviated septum. Unfortunately, sometimes it takes surgery. Sorry about any off subject topics ) Best wishes, mike.
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Thanks…….I am printing this out for him……….hope I can convince him to do the snuffling…….he has had a lot of antibiotics and the steroid pills…….but the rest he has not had…..thanks again — "Tiger Lily" <kl…@nospamteluspla.net> wrote in message
news:2iZC9.24475$0A5.1323133@news0.telusplanet.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> massive amounts of anti-biotics, cortico-steroid pills, beclonaise nasal > spray (another cortico-steroid), salt water wash outs…….. and those > suck!…. read the post about snuffling….. you inhale salt water…. until > it starts to drain out again > this went on for 3 months in total…. then it finally cleared!… i was SO > happy to finally be rid of sinusitis! > it’s been 3 yrs free of ANY sinus infections at all….. had 2 major > sniffles incidents, but NO sinus infection…….. i attribute that to the > CPAP heated humidifier > good luck for your hubby > "Janet" <jan…@wctel.net> wrote in message > news:arhdhu$es6r$1@news3.infoave.net… > > Boy oh boy…….what is this "High Intensity Treatment"? My husband > has > > had two sinus operations and he gets bad sinus infections every time he > gets > > a cold……..My colds last about a week, his last about 6 weeks and then > he > > is OK (not great) just OK for awhile and then he gets another sinus > > infection……Poor guy.. > > — > > > after 8 yrs of sinus infections one after the other, my Dr put me on the > > > "special high intensity treatment" program……. and it finally cleared > > up > > > for me!……….it’s been 3 yrs of feeling normal for a change…. what > a > > > NICE change! > > > k
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"Janet" <jan…@wctel.net> wrote in message
news:ariht0$fmpq$1@news3.infoave.net… > Thanks…….I am printing this out for him……….hope I can convince him > to do the snuffling…….he has had a lot of antibiotics and the steroid > pills…….but the rest he has not had…..thanks again
dang….. i hope he is able to get it resolved totally ! ! ! life sucks with a constant sinusitis problem……… and the difference is night and day….. my only regret…….. putting up with it for 8 yrs in the first place…. i should have demanded further treatment that would make it go away ! ! ! ! ! ! good luck, and let us know if he finds relief! k
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> Hey, what happened to tish (original poster )?
Thanks so much for getting back to me!!It got sooo off the subject that I just gave up. Anyway!!! I do not get very many sinus infections, so I can’t say that is my problem either. I would like the proper recipe for the sinus wash. I bought myself a baby suction bulb and have done this but don’t really have the exact amount of salt or what ever you use. I have to say that I did buy those breathright bandaid things for my nose and it did seem to help the first night I used it. I didn’t use anything else. The second night, I woke up with a really bad headache. Needless to say, I went back to my spray that Doc said he will not renew the Rx because he wants me to have the operation. Which by the way I put off until Jan until I decide what to do. Thanks for anymore advice.
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"Janet" <jan…@wctel.net> wrote in message
news:arhdhu$es6r$1@news3.infoave.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Boy oh boy…….what is this "High Intensity Treatment"? My husband has > had two sinus operations and he gets bad sinus infections every time he gets > a cold……..My colds last about a week, his last about 6 weeks and then he > is OK (not great) just OK for awhile and then he gets another sinus > infection……Poor guy.. > — > > after 8 yrs of sinus infections one after the other, my Dr put me on the > > "special high intensity treatment" program……. and it finally cleared > up > > for me!……….it’s been 3 yrs of feeling normal for a change…. what a > > NICE change! > > k
The last bad sinus infection I got was so bad that everyone thought I was going to die – seriously!. For about two weeks I had these huge black circles under my eyes reaching half way down my cheeks and sinus pain that would make sitting upright impossible. Finally, I managed to get to a health food store and mixed liquid echanicia (not sure about the spelling – purple cone flower) and liquid goldenseal with about 1/2 cup of hot water and squirted it up my nose with a bulb syringe. Within about three days the infection broke and within a week after that I was pretty much back to normal. I am not saying it would work for everybody but I swear by it. the girl of many names
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"Her Name Was Lola" <l…@spamdump.com> wrote in message news:arhqe301m2m@enews3.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Yeah, and after you get done handing over a couple of thousand dollars to > > > your doctor, would you send me a couple so I can buy a cup of coffee? > > > I have had the most ungodly drainage since having a sinus infection in 1984. > > > Yeah, it bugs the heck out of me but I have learned to live with it. > > > the girl of many names > > You would live with a problem/disease rather than find out the cause? Bet that > > doesn’t work with a lot of diseases or problems either ) Mike > I’ve been to doctors and all they do is presribe antihistamines and steroid > based nose sprays for me which mask the symptoms but do nothing to clear up > the problem. > I looked into a procedure that irrigates the sinus with water and then that > water is super-heated. Supposedly this will reduce sinus problems by a huge > degree, however, as I recall it was very expensive, had a lot of potential > side effects and was not touted to be as effective as I would like > (something like 60 percent showed "improvement" in their sinus condition). > If there was a good, solid treatment out there that would do the trick I > would look into it. But since 1984, I have found none. If you know of > something please let me know. > the girl of many names
Hey, what happened to tish (original poster )? Hope my response wasn’t to snotty (pun intended:o) Anyway, did you see the posts about nasal irrigation? I delete the threads every few days and am to lazy to google it. Helps a lot if you have allergies. Overall point was at some point nasal passages and structures can get so swollen and/or infected that only a doctor and sometimes Functional Endoscopic Sinus Surgery (FESS) will help. Trust me, you couldn’t possibly dislike doctors as much as I do. Don’t get me started or I will boor you with surgery after surgery after misdiagnosis after … blah blah ) Mike
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Neither works for me. Apparently NAC is used much in Europe for that purpose, in the US guaifenesin. I didn’t notice any mucus-thinning effect from either. "Steven Litvintchouk" <sdlit…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3D88EE7C.2FAEBF05@earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A de Bode wrote: > > Hi, > > When in Switzerland the local farmacist gave me acetylcysteine, which is > > used for treatment of cough caused by thick slime in the airways. The > > acetylcysteine makes it all thinner, not only in the lungs but also in the > > head. And it helped. > > Anyone else been using this against sinusitis? > I tried it, and it didn’t work for me, on either my sinusitis or the > gunk in my airways. > Even at a high dose. > Humibid LA (prescription-strength guaifenisin) works much better for me. > — > Steven D. Litvintchouk > Email: sdlit…@earthlink.net
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MS wrote: > Neither works for me. > Apparently NAC is used much in Europe for that purpose, in the US > guaifenesin. I didn’t notice any mucus-thinning effect from either.
NAC is most effective in a nebulized form (trade name Mucomyst). That’s how people with chronic bronchitis inhale it to break up the congestion. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlink.net
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news:3D8DF429.6A19F885@earthlink.net… > NAC is most effective in a nebulized form (trade name Mucomyst). That’s > how people with chronic bronchitis inhale it to break up the congestion.
That’s the only way it is available in the US, and rarely prescribed, including for bronchitis. I once talked a doctor into prescribing it for me, and tried it (nebulized), didn’t notice any improvement from it. In Europe it’s sold over the counter in little packages that dissolve in water like alka-seltzer, and have a sweet orange taste and a fizz. Drinking that liquid is supposed to also thin mucus.
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Hi, When in Switzerland the local farmacist gave me acetylcysteine, which is used for treatment of cough caused by thick slime in the airways. The acetylcysteine makes it all thinner, not only in the lungs but also in the head. And it helped. Anyone else been using this against sinusitis? Cheers.
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A de Bode wrote: > Hi, > When in Switzerland the local farmacist gave me acetylcysteine, which is > used for treatment of cough caused by thick slime in the airways. The > acetylcysteine makes it all thinner, not only in the lungs but also in the > head. And it helped. > Anyone else been using this against sinusitis?
I tried it, and it didn’t work for me, on either my sinusitis or the gunk in my airways. Even at a high dose. Humibid LA (prescription-strength guaifenisin) works much better for me. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlink.net
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