sinus drainage
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> [Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with Dr. Grossan, but I wish I were. > Dr. Grossan is a recent example of the archetypal American inventor, in > the tradition of Edison and the Wright brothers.]
Hear hear. I hope he gets rich but even if he only covers his expenses he can feel assured of the profound gratitude of people like myself.
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Please quote me correctly. This is Steven’s post, not mine. He can speak for himself. I was referring to the good doctor’s initiative. However, if you look at the background material you will see that even though the device was simple a goodly amount of research was needed to make it effective and safe. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<Colenso> wrote in message news:1LbEOpGhzwWDU09kbkvcU6YKi5d6@4ax.com… > Sorry but he only made a little rubber thing right??? I’m not dissing > him but Edison and wright? Anyhow irrigation does kick ass and god > bless him for making cha-ching out of it. I guess that is what your > driving at huh? > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:20:59 GMT, "Dave Gower" <dave…@magma.ca> > wrote: > > Dr. Grossan is a recent example of the archetypal American inventor, in > >> the tradition of Edison and the Wright brothers.]
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The first ent I went to prescribed nasal irrigation. He said just use an ear irrigator. Of course I did it and all the gunk when down the back of my throat. I am wondering if that is why the infection turned into a scorcher??? Anyway I have taken avelox for two days and I think I feel better, the mucus doesn’t seem as thick and I only ate four advil all day. Only went head down to drain five or six times. Funny how I measure improvement. Anyway my nasal tip should be here Mon or Tues. Is there a sure fire stance to take so you irrigate up one side and out the other? Do you have to irrigate both sides or do you clean both sinuses from one side of your nostrils? Thanks loads. I love this newsgroup!!!!! "Steven D. Litvintchouk" <s…@mitre.org> wrote in message news:3AC3A97F.84A61076@mitre.org… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> JK wrote: > > Help! Help! > > I am drowning in a constant sea of mucous. Whereas this mucous always seemed > > to be draining down the back of my throat it now stays somewhere in the back > > of my throat causing me to cough frequently and is interfering with my > > ability to breathe. The only way I can remove the mucous now is to orientate > > kind of upside down and then after a few minutes mucous will drain so I can > > spit it out. > > . . . . . > > Any ideas besides finding a good ENT? > Welcome. > Well, you’ve come to the right place. Lots of us (myself included) have > been thru what you’re describing (and WORSE); so we know what a curse > has been placed on you. > Now, on to the serious stuff: > In my case, it turned out that the definition of "good ENT" was: an ENT > who was willing to trust my symptoms and history, not what the tests > showed. Because, I learned the hard way that even CT scans have a 5-10% > of false negatives, and can appear to be "not too bad" even though you > are clearly sick. And that was the situation in my case. > In the meantime, I strongly recommend regular nasal irrigation with the > Grossan nasal irrigator tip. Especially just before bedtime. The more > gunk you can flush out of your sinuses, the less will remain to drip > down into your throat. > www.ent-consult.com > [Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with Dr. Grossan, but I wish I were. > Dr. Grossan is a recent example of the archetypal American inventor, in > the tradition of Edison and the Wright brothers.] > I also recommend taking long hot baths and inhaling the hot steam as > much as possible. I find that this helps to loosen the gunk that has > dripped down into my windpipe, making it easier to cough up. > — > Steven D. Litvintchouk > Email: s…@mitre.org > Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed > herein > are not those of my employer.
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> > [Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with Dr. Grossan, but I wish I were. > > Dr. Grossan is a recent example of the archetypal American inventor, in > > the tradition of Edison and the Wright brothers.]
Or more in the tradition of Robert H. Abplanalp. Larry
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Colenso wrote: > Sorry but he only made a little rubber thing right??? I’m not dissing > him but Edison and wright?
Getting the irrigator tip right, and doing all the background research, took time. Edison is best known for having put a little carbon filament inside a small glass sphere, and connecting it to an electric power source. But it took him 5,000 experiments to work out all the details. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: s…@mitre.org Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.
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"JK" <blacktr…@donet.com> wrote in message
news:g_ax6.78$Vg3.1350@newsfeed.slurp.net… >Do you have to irrigate both sides or do you clean both sinuses from > one side of your nostrils?
It is recommended to use a variety, that is alternate nostrils and rotate the head as well. Side-to-side and also tilt way forward to wash the sinus cavities behind and above the eyes.
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Colenso wrote: > Do you think the good Dr. took like 6 or 7 times to get it right? > Maybe the first design was made out of chicken wire and that slowly > but surely progressed to the amazing tip before us today? hmmmm
I don’t know. I do know, that he wasn’t the first one to think of the idea of personal irrigation. Back in the 19th century, long before they had electric appliances, they had these elaborate MECHANICAL irrigation devices that common-cold sufferers would use to irrigate their nasal passages. I used to have a medical history book that illustrated a couple of them. And long before that, there was the Neti Pot. Dr. Grossan’s inspiration was to shape a tip that could be connected to any commercial WaterPik. And take advantage of the pulsation already offered by the WaterPik. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: s…@mitre.org Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.
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"Steven D. Litvintchouk" <s…@mitre.org> wrote in message news:3AC6C393.95F6B9D3@mitre.org… > Dr. Grossan’s inspiration was to shape a tip that could be connected to > any commercial WaterPik. And take advantage of the pulsation already > offered by the WaterPik.
Which is why I think Colenso undervalues Dr. G.’s accomplishment. Many of the greatest innovations are amazingly simple and obvious after the fact, completely unknown before. I am reminded of a tale about the B-29 bomber that helped win the war against Japan. Early versions developed a major problem. They flew so high so long that air bubbles would come out in the gasoline stored in the tanks, causing vapour lock and loss of engine power. Designers struggled and struggled to find a way to get rid of the bubbles until one of them was sitting in a bar toying with a swizzle stick in a carbonated drink and noticed – guess what – that his swizzle stick loosened the bubbles from the side of the glass. They built a simple agitating device to go in the tanks and the problem was solved. Not all important inventions are computers and moon rockets.
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 00:58:43 -0500, "Steven D. Litvintchouk" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<s…@mitre.org> wrote: >Colenso wrote: >> Do you think the good Dr. took like 6 or 7 times to get it right? >> Maybe the first design was made out of chicken wire and that slowly >> but surely progressed to the amazing tip before us today? hmmmm >I don’t know. >I do know, that he wasn’t the first one to think of the idea of personal >irrigation. >Back in the 19th century, long before they had electric appliances, they >had these elaborate MECHANICAL irrigation devices that common-cold >sufferers would use to irrigate their nasal passages. I used to have a >medical history book that illustrated a couple of them. >And long before that, there was the Neti Pot. >Dr. Grossan’s inspiration was to shape a tip that could be connected to >any commercial WaterPik. And take advantage of the pulsation already >offered by the WaterPik.
We have a picture scanned from a home health book written in the 1800’s that shows a gravity flow device that had a tip, hose and a container, the writ up includes a recipe of 1 tablespoon of salt to a quart of water. We built a homemade one using a plastic bead for the nose from a crafts supply store and vynal tubing from the hardware store and close pinned the vynal tubing to a canning jar of solution. We put the jar about 3 -4 foot above us on a shelf with a can nailed to it so the jar wont fall off. Well, it works real well. If you want to see this antique picture of a person using this antique device, e-mail and we will send it as an attachment in .gif format Pumpkin
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Dave Gower wrote: > "Steven D. Litvintchouk" <s…@mitre.org> wrote in message > news:3AC6C393.95F6B9D3@mitre.org… > > Dr. Grossan’s inspiration was to shape a tip that could be connected to > > any commercial WaterPik. And take advantage of the pulsation already > > offered by the WaterPik. > Not all important inventions are computers and moon rockets.
From the history of technology, we learn that it even takes time to get relatively simple-looking inventions right. They had originally developed the Kleenex tissue in 1924–as a sanitary wipe to remove cold cream! It was their CONSUMERS who wrote letters to the company, saying that they had found the Kleenex tissues also good for blowing their nose during a bad cold. And the company repositioned the product for this new market–and the rest is history. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: s…@mitre.org Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Pumpkin wrote: > On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 00:58:43 -0500, "Steven D. Litvintchouk" > <s…@mitre.org> wrote: > >Colenso wrote: > >> Do you think the good Dr. took like 6 or 7 times to get it right? > >> Maybe the first design was made out of chicken wire and that slowly > >> but surely progressed to the amazing tip before us today? hmmmm > >I don’t know. > >I do know, that he wasn’t the first one to think of the idea of personal > >irrigation. > >Back in the 19th century, long before they had electric appliances, they > >had these elaborate MECHANICAL irrigation devices that common-cold > >sufferers would use to irrigate their nasal passages. I used to have a > >medical history book that illustrated a couple of them. > >And long before that, there was the Neti Pot. > >Dr. Grossan’s inspiration was to shape a tip that could be connected to > >any commercial WaterPik. And take advantage of the pulsation already > >offered by the WaterPik. > We have a picture scanned from a home health book written in the > 1800’s that shows a gravity flow device that had a tip, hose and a > container, the writ up includes a recipe of 1 tablespoon of salt to a > quart of water. We built a homemade one using a plastic bead for the > nose from a crafts supply store and vynal tubing from the hardware > store and close pinned the vynal tubing to a canning jar of solution. > We put the jar about 3 -4 foot above us on a shelf with a can nailed > to it so the jar wont fall off. Well, it works real well. > If you want to see this antique picture of a person using this antique > device, e-mail and we will send it as an attachment in .gif format
You should email it to Dr. Grossan at his website www.ent-consult.com He might add it to his website. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: s…@mitre.org Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.
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In article <0iJw6.101$m32….@newsfeed.slurp.net>, JK <blacktr…@donet.com> wrote: >Help! Help! >I am drowning in a constant sea of mucous. Whereas this mucous always seemed >to be draining down the back of my throat it now stays somewhere in the back >of my throat causing me to cough frequently and is interfering with my >ability to breathe. The only way I can remove the mucous now is to orientate >kind of upside down and then after a few minutes mucous will drain so I can >spit it out.
Has anyone recommended "Alkalol"? It costs maybe $3 for a bottle (one pint?), and you mix it three water (warm) to one Alkalol. Use an ear-syringe to suck it up (the Alkalol-water mix) and then (bending down over sink) squirt it into each nostril. Lots of people in this newsgroup swear by the stuff. Alkalol is a "mucous solvent". I find that it takes some time for it to dissolve the thick mucous, eg after an 8-hour sleep it will take maybe 45 min to work on me. The stuff is a "lifesaver" for me! — (Of course) people who use Alkalol usually also use the Grossan Tip. — Myself, I end up using up a bottle of Alkalol every two or three days. Not cheap, but better than the symtoms you write of, which is what I too had. Coughing, etc. — I also find that the stuff dissolved by the alkalol is still somewhat thick, and builds up in my throat. For that, I’ve taken to gargling (slowly!) with some listerine mixed with water, maybe three or four or five to one listerine? (I swish my mouth out with listerine, so that I can floss better (less slippery teeth), then spit out maybe 2/3 of the listerine, add some water into my mouth, and gargle (slowly!, so doesn’t get up into delicate nose tissues) with that. David
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There are many good ideas in the FAQ to combat your problem. It is posted at http://sinusitis.homestead.com/ good luck "JK" <blacktr…@donet.com> wrote in message
news:ZjJw6.115$m32.546@newsfeed.slurp.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Help! Help! > I am drowning in a constant sea of mucous. Whereas this mucous always seemed > to be draining down the back of my throat it now stays somewhere in the back > of my throat causing me to cough frequently and is interfering with my > ability to breathe. The only way I can remove the mucous now is to orientate > kind of upside down and then after a few minutes mucous will drain so I can > spit it out. > I had an appointment with an ENT 3-6. On the day I saw him for the first > time I felt like I had a sinus infection brewing. I told him of my problem > with drainage and he inserted the scope into my nose. He then told me I > needed a full sinus ct scan and he instructed me to irrigate my sinuses with > a solution of pickling salt and baking soda > which I did. After irrigating for four days I was flat out very sick with > all the symptoms of a scorching sinus infection spending most of my day > laying over the side of the bed constantly draining mucous. After draining > several cc’s of mucous I can then lay down for five or ten minutes before > repeating the process. > I returned to the ent five days later having taken the ct scan the day > following my initial visit. He told me my sinuses only had a small infection > "not enough to cause any trouble" and there was nothing he could do for me > other than to prescribe atrovent nasal spray ( which most pharmacies are out > of and no production scheduled until the second week of April). He felt my > turbinates were causing the mucous drainage problem and this spray would > help. Now on Mar 29 I still have all the symptoms of a sinus infection. I am > seeing my family doctor today and will ask for the name of another ent and > once again antibiotic therapy. > I have had problems with sinus drainage all of my life. However the last > four winters have been especially devastating. I have many breathing > problems, shortness of breath etc. I always feel as if I am breathing > underwater. I use an inhaler but I don’t think the inhalant gets through the > mucous that is seeming always present. The mucous is normally very yellow in > the morning but lightens as the day wears on. Getting up in the morning is > getting more difficult and I hack for around fifteen minutes. I am always > woozy and have a sinus headache daily. > Any ideas besides finding a good ENT? > Thanks in advance for being there! > JK
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JK wrote: > Help! Help! > I am drowning in a constant sea of mucous. Whereas this mucous always seemed > to be draining down the back of my throat it now stays somewhere in the back > of my throat causing me to cough frequently and is interfering with my > ability to breathe. The only way I can remove the mucous now is to orientate > kind of upside down and then after a few minutes mucous will drain so I can > spit it out. > . . . . . > Any ideas besides finding a good ENT?
Welcome. Well, you’ve come to the right place. Lots of us (myself included) have been thru what you’re describing (and WORSE); so we know what a curse has been placed on you. Now, on to the serious stuff: In my case, it turned out that the definition of "good ENT" was: an ENT who was willing to trust my symptoms and history, not what the tests showed. Because, I learned the hard way that even CT scans have a 5-10% of false negatives, and can appear to be "not too bad" even though you are clearly sick. And that was the situation in my case. In the meantime, I strongly recommend regular nasal irrigation with the Grossan nasal irrigator tip. Especially just before bedtime. The more gunk you can flush out of your sinuses, the less will remain to drip down into your throat. www.ent-consult.com [Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with Dr. Grossan, but I wish I were. Dr. Grossan is a recent example of the archetypal American inventor, in the tradition of Edison and the Wright brothers.] I also recommend taking long hot baths and inhaling the hot steam as much as possible. I find that this helps to loosen the gunk that has dripped down into my windpipe, making it easier to cough up. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: s…@mitre.org Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.
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Help! Help! I am drowning in a constant sea of mucous. Whereas this mucous always seemed to be draining down the back of my throat it now stays somewhere in the back of my throat causing me to cough frequently and is interfering with my ability to breathe. The only way I can remove the mucous now is to orientate kind of upside down and then after a few minutes mucous will drain so I can spit it out. I had an appointment with an ENT 3-6. On the day I saw him for the first time I felt like I had a sinus infection brewing. I told him of my problem with drainage and he inserted the scope into my nose. He then told me I needed a full sinus ct scan and he instructed me to irrigate my sinuses with a solution of pickling salt and baking soda which I did. After irrigating for four days I was flat out very sick with all the symptoms of a scorching sinus infection spending most of my day laying over the side of the bed constantly draining mucous. After draining several cc’s of mucous I can then lay down for five or ten minutes before repeating the process. I returned to the ent five days later having taken the ct scan the day following my initial visit. He told me my sinuses only had a small infection "not enough to cause any trouble" and there was nothing he could do for me other than to prescribe atrovent nasal spray ( which most pharmacies are out of and no production scheduled until the second week of April). He felt my turbinates were causing the mucous drainage problem and this spray would help. Now on Mar 29 I still have all the symptoms of a sinus infection. I am seeing my family doctor today and will ask for the name of another ent and once again antibiotic therapy. I have had problems with sinus drainage all of my life. However the last four winters have been especially devastating. I have many breathing problems, shortness of breath etc. I always feel as if I am breathing underwater. I use an inhaler but I don’t think the inhalant gets through the mucous that is seeming always present. The mucous is normally very yellow in the morning but lightens as the day wears on. Getting up in the morning is getting more difficult and I hack for around fifteen minutes. I am always woozy and have a sinus headache daily. Any ideas besides finding a good ENT? Thanks in advance for being there! JK
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