Sinusitis FAQ

Oral vs. IV Chelation

Question:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No results have ever been shown in any legitimate, placebo-controlled clinical study published in a peer-reviewed medical journal  that hitting your thumb with a large hammer can have any beneficial effects whatsoever. And it can harm you as well ! Yes, but nobody charges thousands of dollars for hitting my thumb and then claims it will cure me of nearly every disease known to science.  This is typical quack rhetoric, refusing to confront the rational premises on which scientific debate must be conducted.  Anybody who has ever hit themselves with a hammer can provide empirical (although anecdotal) evidence that it hurts.  The biomechanical mechanism which causes it to hurt is well understood and easily explained.  However, nobody can claim they have been cured of a major illness by chelation therapy — or at least, there are no documented case studies, let alone large scale clinical trials, to verify that fact.  Furthermore,  the various proposed biochemical mechanisms which advocates of chelation therapy claim underlie its (undemonstrated) "effectiveness" have been demonstrated repeatedly to be spurious at best (documented in the article I posted).   I am a visitor passing through from alt.support.sinusitis, where Mr. John Scudamore has recently made an obnoxious nuisance out of himself arguing in exactly the same fashion: ad hominem, anecdotal, and rehtorically evading the premises of rational debate (let alone the scientific method, which utterly eludes him).  I thought I would check out this group since I noticed he was a regular contributor of baloney here too.  Here’s what I think.  I think  there are two kinds of medicine:    1) scientific, based on proven therapies or therapies whose    mechanism of action is understoof and for which proof of    effectiveness is forthcoming  (this does not exclude an    "alternative" therapy a priori, but it excludes 90% of what is sold as    "alternative" medicine, de facto    2) witchcraft with a mild dose of placebo effect, the bulk of    so-called "alternative" (in fact, unproven and unlikely to be proven)    medicine I am constantly amazed that the people who support this latter category want it both ways,all the time.  If they are ignored by science they scream conspiracy and cover-up. If they are taken seriously by science and their pet theories are shown to be untenable, they claim discrimination or reject the scientific method after all.  They claim that "allopathic" medicine is corrupt because it has a profit motive, but can’t respond to the charge that the $14 billion plus "alternative" market is saturated with hucksters and con artists, and has just as much of a profit motive without any regulatory standards to hold it in check.  They claim that personal responsibility and "natural" healing are their watchwords, and yet all of their products and services are covered with disclaimers warning you to seek the advice of a *real* doctor and disclaiming any responsibility for the consequences of their b.s. if it harms you.  They argue for an open mind, and yet theirs are as closed and dogmatic as one finds in any religious fundamentalism or orthodoxy.  They make phony dichotmoies between "artificial" and "natural" substances and phenomena and yet they boast about how sophisticated their (artificial) techniques for  preparing, administering, and marketing their "natural" products. They live in a  universe of metaphors dressed up with the jargon of pseudo-science, preaching "informed" patients while spreading ignorance and faulty reasoning. Meanwhile, the real social cause of ensuring maximum access for the maximum number of people to the maximum number of scientifically proven health care  options at minimum cost goes in the toilet because so many idiots are too busy worrying about their own chimerical "toxins" and "boosting their immune systems" and swallowing both literal and figurative garbage from the talk radio and the internet.   The bottom line is this: in 100 years scientfic medicine has done for the human condition (in potentia for too many people still, but in realis for many hundreds of millions or even billions) what thousands of years of folklore and witchcraft couldn’t do.  Without antibiotics, surgical anesthesia and antiseptic practices, public health policy, CT Scans and X-Rays, vaccines, insulin, genetics,  etc. etc., most of us would not be here because our parents and their parents would have died of childhood diseases, dental infections, "natural" childbirth, and epidemic diseases.  Those who reject science because it doesn’t have all the answers and can’t solve every problem and creates a few problems of its own and isn’t moving fast enough simply reject the only proven means for further improvement in the human condition. Without it we are nothing more than barbarians and beasts begging the gods for health. Aaron Fox

Well put Aaron ! (But geez, lighten up some, life is fleeting) Have a great day!

Response:

     Oral chelation takes several months to have any measurable effect.  For people whose health is reasonably good, it is a viable alternative.      For those who have learned that they need chelation due to health problems, the IV form will produce results much more quickly.  Waiting for oral chelation to take effect could be a mistake for that type of situation. William Kelley Eidem, author "The Doctor Who Cures Cancer"

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Utter nonsense.  No "chelation" therapy has ever been shown in any legitimate, placeb-controlled clinical study published in a peer-reviewed medical journal  to have any beneficial effects whatsoever. And it can harm you. AF

No results have ever been shown in any legitimate, placebo-controlled clinical study published in a peer-reviewed medical journal  that hitting your thumb with a large hammer can have any beneficial effects whatsoever. And it can harm you as well ! :-

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Anyone have any thoughts on the comparative effectiveness of oral vs. IV chelation? My father is considering IV chelation, but I ran across an ad for an oral chelating formula that would be considerably less expensive. I would welcome informed opinions. Thank you.

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