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Irrigation doesn't work????

admin — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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On 12/13/05 2:27 PM, in article 10742-439F4AD6-…@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net, "Johnny1…@webtv.net" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: > mwgoldi…@cox.net (Lateralus) wrote: >> Jon i have always heard that salt water cleans >> the sinuss out? What is a good product to >> irrigate with that clears mucous? > I think the whole point of the irrigation (particularly pulsatile) is to > assist the natural cleaning process within the sinuses. The salt water > solution for me did the job, but unfortunately did not succeed in > completely eliminating the infection. > ..I think the main concern with irrigating is you don’t want to > introduce any new bug into your system; thus, I would avoid sucking up > sea water. > …Purchase some pickling salt. …I never bother to precisely measure > when I make up my solution, as I go by how it feels. ..If you have too > much salt, it’s just as painful as not having enough. …I generally use > lukewarm water, but if I’m congested, I’ll switch to cold. I also use > flonase, which helps. …Jon

Pickling or kosher salt, next to drug store USP grade salt, is the purest salt you can get. It has no added iodine or drying agents or other chemicals. Sea salt is evaporated sea water and contains all kinds of stuff that might be irritating to the nose. On the other hand lots of people use "ordinary" table salt with iodine and driers without problems. Depends on your sensitivity. But why take a chance on sea salt with unknown products? If you mix 1/4 teaspoon of salt to four ounces of water you get an isotonic solution . You can increase the amount of salt and get a hypertonic solution for example two 1/4 teaspoons of salt to four ounces makes a 2 Normal hypertonic solution . The advantage of Breathe.ease XL by the way is that it contains electrolytes – calcium and potassium chloride just like your natural blood stream. And there are articles to show that it is more effective for the nose than regular saline. And it doesn’t contain preservatives.

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Doc i haven’t really been irrigating regularly, because i haven’t beeen sick in awhile but latest CT shows more mucous production, i think i might make an appointment to see you and do the surgery.

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My doctor advised me to avoid water getting in my ears. So I try to cover my ears as well as I can when i wash my hair. I found this helps me a lot. Some people here suggested irrigating with garlic or horseradish, I haven’t tried it but my guess is it must really hurt.

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Lateralus – I think you need to irrigate more than 3 times a week for it to be effective.Think if we were talking about brushing teeth – brushing three times a week would not be enough to prevent tooth decay! I irrigate twice daily and us the Breathe.ease XL powder which I find much better than Kosher salt or USP salt. Also if you have allergies or underlying structural problems you must treat these for the sinuses to get better not just take the antibiotics. Increased Eosinophils are a measure of allergies in the system.

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On 12/14/05 7:24 AM, in article 40arpeF19u0f…@individual.net, "Susan" wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > Murray Grossan wrote: >> The advantage of Breathe.ease XL by the way is that it contains electrolytes >> – calcium and potassium chloride just like your natural blood stream. And >> there are articles to show that it is more effective for the nose than >> regular saline. And it doesn’t contain preservatives. > Couldn’t one use NuSalt or another substitute in preparing a solution? > Susan

Hi Susan, don’t know anything about Nu Salt. The articles that recocmmend the Locke Ringer’s formula – like Breathe.ease XL are at www.ent-consult.com

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"Murray Grossan" wrote in message

news:BFC6342C.2EC1%hydromed@adelphia.net… > Hi Susan, don’t know anything about Nu Salt. The articles that recocmmend > the Locke Ringer’s formula – like Breathe.ease XL are at

www.ent-consult.com Yes, that is your web site, on which are your articles, recommending your products.

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"Susan" wrote in message

news:40de44F197m90U1@individual.net… > I’ll take a look. But since I always have potassium choloride (NuSalt), > xylitol (for occasional baking), kosher salt (for everything) and baking > soda, I thought I could make a very cost effective version of the > irrigation solution. > Susan

Yes, you can. They are all very cheap ingredients, for the most part salt and baking soda. Apparently a very high markup is charged to call it "Breathe-Ease XL", "doctor-recommended" (by the doctor who sells them, of course), etc. And probably plain salt and baking soda, without the other ingredients, would work just as well. Perhaps just salt works as well, but I think the baking soda helps with the Ph, makes it more gentle.

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news:26816-439F045C-558@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net… > I irrigated religiously for about 3 or 4 years — 3X per day. > .Basically, all it did was help to keep my nose clear; however, I knew > it wasn’t curing the underlying problem. …

No, it certainly does not cure the underlying problem, despite some statements to that effect. It certainly hasn’t with me (after much more than 3 or 4 years), and I don’t think with others on the NG either. It does help to wash out the thick mucous buildup though. I need to irrigate to breathe. I’d be miserable without it. But it certainly has not "cured" me, not a bit.

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"Susan" wrote in message

news:40tdm8F1bck2kU1@individual.net… > I have to object to your characterization of Dr. Grossan’s participation > here. Yes, he sells those products, but he also very frequently shares > the recipes to make cheap alternatives. > Your sniping is uncalled for. > Susan

Not sniping. Just stating the fact, that there is a very high markup on this product made of very cheap ingredients, mostly salt and baking soda.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -MS wrote: > "Susan" wrote in message > news:40tdm8F1bck2kU1@individual.net… >>I have to object to your characterization of Dr. Grossan’s participation >>here. Yes, he sells those products, but he also very frequently shares >>the recipes to make cheap alternatives. >>Your sniping is uncalled for. >>Susan > Not sniping. Just stating the fact, that there is a very high markup on this > product made of very cheap ingredients, mostly salt and baking soda.

Which is perfectly fine, because the markup is for the convenience. Just like the food you get in frozen TV dinners is way cheaper if you bought it and froze it yourself. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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Yes Steven L. has described it exactly. There a lot of things in life you can do or make cheaper for yourself or you can buy the same thing already prepared without the hassle. Yikes – think of all the people that buy a $3 to $5 cup of coffee a day on the way to work! They could just as easy make the coffee at home for a fraction of the price but they choose to spend the money this way due to time or family constraints. I like the product myself. Also, I do not consider spending between $15 and $30 a month too much considering how much prescription drug or office visit copays are nowadays and how important it is to my continued sinus health.

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Yes I agree this is good if you have ready and easy access to the ingredients. For me the nearest health food store selling the xyitol and USP salt is 45 minutes away. Plus I have to factor in my time going there and the hassle of it. I probably could get the separate ingredients on the internet but then this would take research to determine if the supply was reputable, plus I would have to factor in the shipping costs. So all these things are relevant. In a pinch when I’ve run out of the prepared stuff I have made my own solutions. It is good to know how to make your own solution in any case. As you noted and I agree, Dr. Grossan has readily given out formulas and answered questions here and via personal email. I am greatful that he participates in this group. I have never felt that he is here just to sell his products. So I wanted to offer my support to him in case any new readers to this forum read this.

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I get the Breath.ease XL from AlerG in California. They have a web site. So you can get it over the internet or they have a store you can go to if you live nearby. I’ve found AlerG to be reliable and reputable, plus they carry many hard to get allergy related products. This company has a very good return policy — no questions asked. Also many of the workers at the company suffer from allergies so the products are tried out by the employees before being sold in their catalog. I can buy regular Kosher salt and baking soda at any grocery store so this has not been a problem in times of emergencies. The Whole Foods store that is 45 minutes from me carries the xyitol and a USP salt brand which I prefer over regular Kosher salt. The USP salt brand (I don’t have the brand name with me) is a pharmaceutical grade, finer ground version of non-iodized, no additives salt specifically formulated for nasal irrigation. I think it is about $3.00 for an 8oz bag of this salt. This brand from Whole Foods is much easy to mix in solution than regular kosher salt. Where do you get your supplies??

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Susan, Thank you for replying how you get your supplies. I am sorry I don’t know how to pull in a previous post to quote it in my reply in this newsgroup So usually I find myself writing a book to explain myself… So one question I have for you is how do you know if your credit card is safe with the new internet vendor each time? I guess my problem with this approach is protecting my credit card information. I know I am not liable for any charges. You see from my actual experiences in the software industry with helping companies with their web sites I have found many e-commerce web sites and their respective databases are not very secure. Through various means the information can be stolen by inside employees or outsiders months later than you purchase the product with your credit card. That is why I deal with a small number of vendors I’ve had good luck with in the past.

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Jon i have always heard that salt water cleans the sinuss out? What is a good product to irrigate with that clears mucous?

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mwgoldi…@cox.net (Lateralus) wrote: >Jon i have always heard that salt water cleans > the sinuss out? What is a good product to > irrigate with that clears mucous?

I think the whole point of the irrigation (particularly pulsatile) is to assist the natural cleaning process within the sinuses. The salt water solution for me did the job, but unfortunately did not succeed in completely eliminating the infection. ..I think the main concern with irrigating is you don’t want to introduce any new bug into your system; thus, I would avoid sucking up sea water. …Purchase some pickling salt. …I never bother to precisely measure when I make up my solution, as I go by how it feels. ..If you have too much salt, it’s just as painful as not having enough. …I generally use lukewarm water, but if I’m congested, I’ll switch to cold. I also use flonase, which helps. …Jon

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Okay here is the deal have been battling sinusitis for about a year and a half, enterobacter was one of the bugs but i seem to have kicked it. Had a CT in May of this year with signs of moderate to severe sinusitis. I have been irrigating about 3 times a week, and i surf so water is always flushing my sinuses out. There was a period of about 6 weeks since May that i didn’t irrigate. Went in today for a follow up CT per my ENT, and seems mucosoul build up is worse? what the hell is going on? been using breate ease gel, saline mixture, and enzymes but after today i’m a little frustrated, i have also been exercising more and eating better? I had blood work done a few days ago and my Eosinophils were elevated slightly, scale for blood work was 0-5 and mine came back 10? Sould i be concerned? I feel good i’m not currently ill, but i thought that the mucous would diminish??? Any thoughts? Thank you

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mwgoldi…@cox.net (Lateralus) wrote: >Okay here is the deal have been battling > sinusitis for about a year and a half, > enterobacter was one of the bugs but i seem > to have kicked it. Had a CT in May of this > year with signs of moderate to severe > sinusitis. I have been irrigating about 3 times > a week, and i surf so water is always flushing > my sinuses out. There was a period of about > 6 weeks since May that i didn’t irrigate. Went > in today for a follow up CT per my ENT, and > seems mucosoul build up is worse? what the > hell is going on?

Well firstly…I don’t think ocean water filled with sand and other by-products (sea weed, fish crap etc) is the best thing for your sinuses, but here’s my story… I irrigated religiously for about 3 or 4 years — 3X per day. .Basically, all it did was help to keep my nose clear; however, I knew it wasn’t curing the underlying problem. …I still experienced periodic flare-ups where antibiotics were required, and if I put pressure on one of my eyes, I felt pain in behind it.. ….I hate to say this, but it wasn’t until I added a _good_ shot of hydrogen peroxide to my saline mixture that things started to improve. ….I (by accident) over did the recommended amount. …I hung my head over the tub writhing in pain… However, out came mucus and blood (In fact, the pain was so severe, I felt like I was going to purge my brain too). …Since that time (3 years ago), the pain behind my eye has completely dissappeared. …. I have cut back on my irrigation (considerably), although I believe my condition may be now starting to return, as lately I have experienced some ongoing congestion.. (I should add… I haven’t had the need to take any antibiotics for over 3 years now) …I firmly believe it was that first hydrogen peroxide application that proved the most effective towards ridding me of the affliction — out of everything that I have tried. ….Although I must add, subsequent applications did little more than irritate my sinus tissue. I wouldn’t recommend the regimen for everyone, but I know for me, it did accomplish more than just merely rinsing out the outer mucus. …Good luck with your condition. …Jon

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Fisture

admin — Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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On 17 Jun 2005 20:06:13 -0700, "Lateralus" wrote: >I’m about to have surgery in my mouth to repair a small hole in the >bone under my gum where i had a tooth pulled that broke through my >sinus cavity 7 years ago. the gum healed but the bone never grew all >the way back, they are going to make a small inscision in the gum and >fill the hole with man made bone. I currently had a nose culture which >came back positive for enterobacter, is it ok to have this surgery as >long as i’m on antibiotics for this bug?

I would ask all doctors involved to consult at least briefly with each other if they are not already doing so..

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They are going to put me on antibiotics before the surgery isn’t that sufficient???

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On 19 Jun 2005 19:20:04 -0700, "Lateralus" wrote: >They are going to put me on antibiotics before the surgery isn’t that >sufficient???

Probably so but why not call the surgeon’s office and ask and and have them sent a copy of the culture report just to make them aware of everything. They always appreciate that ……..

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Thanks Don do you think i will be ok, i’m a little worried because of this bacteria, i’m not ill but have some sinusitis?

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On 19 Jun 2005 22:31:11 -0700, "Lateralus" wrote: >Thanks Don do you think i will be ok, i’m a little worried because of >this bacteria, i’m not ill but have some sinusitis?

You’ll be fine. Those cultures are not always that significant anyway. Once you close off the fisture, it will likely be well on the way to resolution…….

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You mean even if you have enterobacter on the sinus culture it doesn’t mean much?

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On 21 Jun 2005 09:07:17 -0700, "Lateralus" wrote: >You mean even if you have enterobacter on the sinus culture it doesn’t >mean much?

I do not know about the clinical significance of that one in particular……

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For what it’s worth, I do read that enterobacter is most common in hospital-acquired sinusitis, amd also that it occurs most frequently in individuals with compromised immune status. I neiher of those apply to you, and you do not want to just wait until you complete tthe antibiotics nad seal up the fisture to see what happens then, then you might want to do a repeat culture to see if the finding is repeatable….

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Thanks Don, i’m not immune comprimised, and haven’t been to a hospital in a while, my internist stated that this bacteria is everywhere on plants, water, soil, sewage, It also states that at the CDC website. I hope this bug doesnt kill me???? Thanks again

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I have had four cultures in the last 6 weeks two were positive two were negative go figure????

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On 22 Jun 2005 20:08:30 -0700, "Lateralus" wrote: >Thanks Don, i’m not immune comprimised, and haven’t been to a hospital >in a while, my internist stated that this bacteria is everywhere on >plants, water, soil, sewage >, It also states that at the CDC website. I >hope this bug doesnt kill me????

From what I have read it is not too hard at all to kill it off…… Don

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I’m about to have surgery in my mouth to repair a small hole in the bone under my gum where i had a tooth pulled that broke through my sinus cavity 7 years ago. the gum healed but the bone never grew all the way back, they are going to make a small inscision in the gum and fill the hole with man made bone. I currently had a nose culture which came back positive for enterobacter, is it ok to have this surgery as long as i’m on antibiotics for this bug?

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feeling miserable…

admin — Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Although I don’t want to drink too much as I don’t want to be wired from drinking a gallon of tea.

DeCaf works just fine… in fact, I generally only stock decaf tea, since normally, for me it’s a ‘nighttime’ drink. /shrug … they make decaf green varieties too. Feel better. Teri

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Well, maybe what I’ve got isn’t just allergies. I still feel totally miserable. My head is stuffed, and nothing seems to be kicking it. I’ve tried zyrtec, clariton, afrin, psuedophed, etc … (no, not all at one time) but nothing seems to give me any relief. The one thing that gets me… when most people get sick, they lose their appetite and come in claiming to have lost 5lbs or something. Me, I lose my appetite, but if I don’t eat, I suddenly get the shaky feeling and will pass out. So, I go to the point where I start to feel shakey, then I’ll eat something whether I feel like it or not. The other thing is, water is repulsive to me when I feel like this. I’m whining… I know. Go on about your business of dieting and exercise now.

I too am suffering what I believe is a combination of allergies (beginning the change of season here) and a massive cold. If water is repulsive try tea – it’s hot and soothing … or Fruit2O, which tasting ‘juicy’ (albeit a little fake juice-y), might be soothing. I believe it’s sweetened with Splenda. Oh, and use those lotion-packed tissues… they really are easier on the nose (just don’t try to clean your glasses with them -lol). Teri

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, maybe what I’ve got isn’t just allergies. I still feel totally miserable. My head is stuffed, and nothing seems to be kicking it. I’ve tried zyrtec, clariton, afrin, psuedophed, etc … (no, not all at one time) but nothing seems to give me any relief. The one thing that gets me… when most people get sick, they lose their appetite and come in claiming to have lost 5lbs or something. Me, I lose my appetite, but if I don’t eat, I suddenly get the shaky feeling and will pass out. So, I go to the point where I start to feel shakey, then I’ll eat something whether I feel like it or not. The other thing is, water is repulsive to me when I feel like this. I’m whining… I know. Go on about your business of dieting and exercise now.

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Hope you feel better soon. If the water is repulsive, you may not need to drink it. When I get really water retentive, I can’t even go near a glass of water. If I need to drink something I’ll either put a little lemon juice and splenda in my water or even dilute some sugar free cranberry juice in it. Jenn

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The tea will also dehydrate you if you drink too much, which isn’t good when you are suffering from allergies/sinusitis! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been drinking green tea. Its got just enough flavor to make it go down easier. Although I don’t want to drink too much as I don’t want to be wired from drinking a gallon of tea. We’ve got the lotion packed tissues at home, and right about now I’m missing them. I meant to grab a box to bring to my desk at work, but my brain isn’t functioning well enough to have remembered that. Right now it would be nice to just lay down and sleep… But I’m too far behind on work for that. So instead, I’m very whiny.

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I sympathize! I went to the doctor today and was diagnosed with a pretty bad sinus infection. I was given a prescription for Allegra and a Zpac. I also had a cortisone injection. My head hurts, drainage, coughing, ears itch, the whole 9 yards. Seasonal bad allergies almost always cause sinusitis for me. It sucks! I think it has a lot to do with the fact that I quit smoking 4 mos 2 weeks ago and my respitory system isn’t as strong as could be if I had never poluted my system with those nasty cigs. I’m not feeling as bad as I did in January when I had this last… I am still going to gym tonight, but doing less cardio so I don’t get too winded in my condition. I hope we both start feeling better soon! Maybe you should go to the doctor to see if it is an infection that needs antibiotics to help. Also, Cortisone shots always help me feel better.

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I read something lately that said that there is no real clinical evidence that shows that the need for fluid is increased when ill. In fact, the article went on to say that because the brain puts out extra anti-diuretic hormone, you might actually need less fluid. The article questioned the wisdom of telling people to drink more. Of course, I cannot remember where I read the article so don’t ask me to cite references. I am the same way with food when I am sick unless I have fever. I will tell you that I am never tempted to eat for any other reason than avoiding low blood sugar. Candy, etc. does not appeal to me. I hope you feel better. Sounds rough. j

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Exercise while sick?

admin — Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Hello all.. any suggestions for what I can do (if anything) exercise-wise when I am sick? I am talking sinuses, coughing, temperature, draining, flem, not feeling good… I’ve been sick since Thursday night and haven’t worked out since Tuesday. I don’t want to start over at gym but I want to get over being sick quickly! I was going to work out Thursday and Friday, but felt too ucky to want to do more then lie down and be miserable *sniff* *cough*.

i just went through the same thing. i had the flu(still getting over it) the day i ran a high temp nope i didnt do anything. after my temp left i just stuck to some mildly brisk walking just to get some movement in.by no means did i put any real hard effort into it though. some would say dont do anything so your body can use all its energy on getting better which is the most likely best thing to do. load up on V-C. im still battling upper chest congestion as we speak but i get my walk in everyday now. after being sick i usually carry a cough a while after.. just always have. good luck and get well soon!! 365/224/200

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You might want to read this article (from the Dolfzine site): http://www.dolfzine.com/page620.htm I came across this when I had the same question when I had a cold and I bookmarked the site. Seems like good advice to me. Take *care* of yourself! HTH, Tonia

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Thanks for the post… I guess I’ll just start up a little slower next week and hope that I didn’t lose any of my muscle mass… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i just went through the same thing. i had the flu(still getting over it) the day i ran a high temp nope i didnt do anything. after my temp left i just stuck to some mildly brisk walking just to get some movement in.by no means did i put any real hard effort into it though. some would say dont do anything so your body can use all its energy on getting better which is the most likely best thing to do. load up on V-C. im still battling upper chest congestion as we speak but i get my walk in everyday now. after being sick i usually carry a cough a while after.. just always have. good luck and get well soon!! 365/224/200

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msn health just had an article last week about exercising when sick. The gist of the article was. cold – cough – continue with exercise, and some people report feeling better quicker. fever – rest, don’t exercise. So basically, if you are still having a fever, then rest, let your body heal. But if the fever is gone, then do what you can. Don’t over do it, go light. But do *something*. Go for a brisk walk instead of a jog or hard cardio. Hope you feel better soon.

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I have pretty bad allergies as well…. I get a good sinus infection several times a year… — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I quit smoking quite a few years ago and still get frequent sinusitis. I really believe my sinus problems are more related to allergies than they were to smoking. Sure the smoking aggrevated them but they didn’t go away when I quit. Beverly

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That’s when I’d use the recumbent bike and sit with my head back If genetics are any indication, I got my mom’s sinuses and I’m in for a lifetime of fun and games so I figure I might as well force myself to live with it. With all of the edema (water retention) problems I’ve had over the last few months, it’s nothing for me to work out with some sort of discomfort. I just don’t work out in actual pain (aches are ok). Actually, I was walking on the treadmill when the lymph infection got bad, the right side of my face and head became really swollen and made me dizzy so I went right to the clinic, got my antibiotics, and took 2 days off. I’m none the worse for wear, but I’m also sleeping 9-10 hours a night Jenn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How were you able to do that?? Amazing… as it hurts my head for me to just stand now. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow I just got over a sinus & lymph node infection. During the worst of it, I stuck to walking on the treadmill instead of running and some time on the recumbent bike. Feel better soon. Jenn

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How were you able to do that?? Amazing… as it hurts my head for me to just stand now.

When I have a sinus headache, I will usually put an icepack on my head. Some people prefer heat – just depends on what works for you. I have found that as long as I hold that cold pack on my head, I can get up and move around and do stuff. I keep several in the fridge all the time so that I always have one ready. Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

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I am always sick from the head up! Seriously, its all in my head and I am congested, my face hurts and feeling crummy and can’t sleep… :( —

I had a really bad week last month. I didn’t even turn on my computer for 3 days. Had to call the ISP and ask them to fix my email since it overloaded. From now on, if I get sick, I will at least turn it on and download even if I don’t turn the monitor on Seriously, though. If yo don’t feel good enough to move, then rest. I think our bodies tell us what they need. I was so tired, I just slept a lot. If you feel like exercising a little, then maybe do some hand weights. Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com

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I do have a light fever (about 99.8 – 100), and was diagnosed with sinusitis and upper resp infection… I’ll probably take the rest of the weekend off and go back at it next week on Mon or Tues. That will give time for the antibiotics to start working. I’ll just do light cardio so that I don’t wear myself out or get too badly out of shape… Thanks to all that replied! — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So basically, if you are still having a fever, then rest, let your body heal. But if the fever is gone, then do what you can. Don’t over do it, go light. But do *something*. Go for a brisk walk instead of a jog or hard cardio. Hope you feel better soon.

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I quit smoking quite a few years ago and still get frequent sinusitis. I really believe my sinus problems are more related to allergies than they were to smoking. Sure the smoking aggrevated them but they didn’t go away when I quit. Beverly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.dolfzine.com/page620.htm I came across this when I had the same question when I had a cold and I bookmarked the site. Seems like good advice to me. Take *care* of yourself! HTH, Tonia

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Take it easy and let the body heal. How about just some stretching, etc? If you’re anything like me when I have a sinus infection, it hurts just to blink my eyes and moving is out of the question. I imagine your fellow gym goers will appreciate you staying at home until you’re well

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I would just relax and eat like you normally would when your feeling good. Pablo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all.. any suggestions for what I can do (if anything) exercise-wise when I am sick? I am talking sinuses, coughing, temperature, draining, flem, not feeling good… I’ve been sick since Thursday night and haven’t worked out since Tuesday. I don’t want to start over at gym but I want to get over being sick quickly! I was going to work out Thursday and Friday, but felt too ucky to want to do more then lie down and be miserable *sniff* *cough*. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow

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Thanks Tonia… I just got back from the doctor and I was diagnosed with sinusitis and an upper respitory infection. They gave me an antibiotic and decongenstant and told me to drink plenty of water and rest… Its the first time I’ve been sick in 3 mos since I quit smoking… http://www.dolfzine.com/page620.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I came across this when I had the same question when I had a cold and I bookmarked the site. Seems like good advice to me. Take *care* of yourself! HTH, Tonia

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General rule of thumb is if it’s above the neck….keep exercising perhaps a little less strenuously…below the meck take a rest until you’re better.

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that is the exact opposite that Lance/Michelle told me in their post! — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – General rule of thumb is if it’s above the neck….keep exercising perhaps a little less strenuously…below the meck take a rest until you’re better.

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My whole face hurts and blinking isn’t very pleasant right now… Thanks. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Take it easy and let the body heal. How about just some stretching, etc? If you’re anything like me when I have a sinus infection, it hurts just to blink my eyes and moving is out of the question. I imagine your fellow gym goers will appreciate you staying at home until you’re well

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How were you able to do that?? Amazing… as it hurts my head for me to just stand now. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got over a sinus & lymph node infection. During the worst of it, I stuck to walking on the treadmill instead of running and some time on the recumbent bike. Feel better soon. Jenn

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Yoga or T’ai Chi. They don’t stress your heart but they’ll keep you flexible and T’ai Chi works your muscles especially in your legs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all.. any suggestions for what I can do (if anything) exercise-wise when I am sick? I am talking sinuses, coughing, temperature, draining, flem, not feeling good… I’ve been sick since Thursday night and haven’t worked out since Tuesday. I don’t want to start over at gym but I want to get over being sick quickly! I was going to work out Thursday and Friday, but felt too ucky to want to do more then lie down and be miserable *sniff* *cough*. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow

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Here is the rule I’ve used: Sick from the head up – lay down Sick from the neck down – run around Corny, but I’ve been able to run out the congestion in my lungs on more then one occasion. Feel better.

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I am always sick from the head up! Seriously, its all in my head and I am congested, my face hurts and feeling crummy and can’t sleep… :( — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sick from the head up – lay down Sick from the neck down – run around Corny, but I’ve been able to run out the congestion in my lungs on more then one occasion. Feel better. Hello all.. any suggestions for what I can do (if anything) exercise-wise when I am sick? I am talking sinuses, coughing, temperature, draining, flem, not feeling good… I’ve been sick since Thursday night and haven’t worked out since Tuesday. I don’t want to start over at gym but I want to get over being sick quickly! I was going to work out Thursday and Friday, but felt too ucky to want to do more then lie down and be miserable *sniff* *cough*. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow

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I have to learn how to do those… good idea. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yoga or T’ai Chi. They don’t stress your heart but they’ll keep you flexible and T’ai Chi works your muscles especially in your legs.

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Doing that…. thanks! — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rest, drink plenty of fluids, and let your body heal.

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I just got over a sinus & lymph node infection. During the worst of it, I stuck to walking on the treadmill instead of running and some time on the recumbent bike. Feel better soon. Jenn

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Rest, drink plenty of fluids, and let your body heal. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all.. any suggestions for what I can do (if anything) exercise-wise when I am sick? I am talking sinuses, coughing, temperature, draining, flem, not feeling good… I’ve been sick since Thursday night and haven’t worked out since Tuesday. I don’t want to start over at gym but I want to get over being sick quickly! I was going to work out Thursday and Friday, but felt too ucky to want to do more then lie down and be miserable *sniff* *cough*.

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ceftin

admin — Sun, 29 Sep 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Anyone try this for sinus infection. I am trying to get over one without resorting to antibiotics, but it might be a losing battle! Mel

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MB wrote: > Anyone try this for sinus infection. > I am trying to get over one without resorting to antibiotics, but it might > be a losing battle!

Ceftin used to work on me for sinusitis, until I got an allergic reaction to it this most recent time. But YMMV. The fact that I had bugs that were sensitive to Ceftin, doesn’t mean that your bugs are. Without a sinus culture, which antibiotic to prescribe for you will be a matter of trial and error. If you don’t feel better on the Ceftin after 4 days, then it probably isn’t working on your bugs. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlink.net

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Nasal or SINUS irrigator??

admin — Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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in article 985b3ebb.0209151102.55111…@posting.google.com, cwhite0714 at cwhite0…@fsi.net wrote on 9/15/02 3:02 PM: > My understanding is that urine is sterile only as long as it is inside > the bladder. As soon as it comes in contact with outer tissues, it’s > exposed to bacteria and can no longer be safely considered sterile.

I guess you could say that about sterile irrigating fluid, couldn’t you? As soon as you decant it from its sterile environment, in this case a bottle rather than a bladder, the same bacteria that are on the surface of every thing are on it as well. In any event, this has really gone a long way from sinusitis. I am not trying to maintain a position but just mentioning what I think is an interesting fact. I don’t blame your doctor for being grossed out when some urine hit her in the eye; I would be grossed out too – but at the same time I sort of wonder why. I think that that disgust can tell us a lot about how infants are imprinted with social attitudes. Larry

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>Why have we been taught to wash our hands after urinating then, as if it’s a >> contaminating substance?

The urine is sterile as long as it is inside the bladder. Once it hits the air, airborne bacteria love it becasue its warm and sometimes has glucose or protein, so bacteria thrive. Washing your hands is more a precaution of what you will pick up from the faucets and doorknobs than from touching yourself. Remember people don’t only urinate while in bathrooms! Then there’s the case with women who when wiping can pick up bacteria from the rectal area on their hands. Wash your hands, please! Mom was right. Nadine

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in article alopno$1sbco…@ID-147995.news.dfncis.de, Special K at kandknos…@tnni.net wrote on 9/11/02 9:13 PM: > I thought the primary purpose of the sinuses was to humidify and warm the > inhaled air before it reached the lungs. If sinuses are designed to handle > inhaled air, how could they ever be sterile? For that matter, how much of > any part of our bodies can really be sterile, to any meaningful degree?

Your urine is sterile, and as such can be a valuable cleansing agent for dirty wounds, when more standard methods are not immediately available. The idea of a bunch of men standing over an injured person and pissing into their wounds may disgust you, but they may be saving a life. Larry

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Larry… LOL.. Shutup and lie still…You’ve been in a bad accident; we’re only here to sterilize your wounds. Funny, I’ve heard some posters here complain here that their tap water wasn’t sterile enough for sinus irrigation. Oops… Don’t want to put any kinky ideas into one’s head. …Jon

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"Larry Preuss" wrote in message

news:B9A6422D.38E0%LPreuss@NocomNocast.net… > Your urine is sterile, and as such can be a valuable cleansing agent for > dirty wounds, when more standard methods are not immediately available.

Why have we been taught to wash our hands after urinating then, as if it’s a contaminating substance?

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Hello… I guess one could pass on some germs if he had bladder infection. At any rate.. The more one washes the hands, the better. It’s now been five years since I’ve had a cold, simply because I use the Purell hand (alcohol) lotion which I keep in my truck. I use it religiously whenever I return, say from shopping, for example. ..Plus I make it a habit to wash my hands on a regular basis thrughout the day. The fewer the colds, the fewer the sinus problems …Jon

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in article uo819gs9vb1…@corp.supernews.com, MS at m…@nospam.com wrote on 9/14/02 11:51 PM: > "Larry Preuss" wrote in message > news:B9A6422D.38E0%LPreuss@NocomNocast.net… >> Your urine is sterile, and as such can be a valuable cleansing agent for >> dirty wounds, when more standard methods are not immediately available. > Why have we been taught to wash our hands after urinating then, as if it’s a > contaminating substance?

You know, I’ve wondered about that. BTW, I made the statement not because I favor abandoning old taboos, but simply because someone asked if we had any sterile body fluids and what that sterility might be good for. Larry

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My understanding is that urine is sterile only as long as it is inside the bladder. As soon as it comes in contact with outer tissues, it’s exposed to bacteria and can no longer be safely considered sterile. And even if she knew it was sterile, my doctor was still grossed out when she got splatted in the eye by urine accidentally released from a bladder during an operation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Larry Preuss wrote in message … > in article alopno$1sbco…@ID-147995.news.dfncis.de, Special K at > kandknos…@tnni.net wrote on 9/11/02 9:13 PM: > > I thought the primary purpose of the sinuses was to humidify and warm the > > inhaled air before it reached the lungs. If sinuses are designed to handle > > inhaled air, how could they ever be sterile? For that matter, how much of > > any part of our bodies can really be sterile, to any meaningful degree? > Your urine is sterile, and as such can be a valuable cleansing agent for > dirty wounds, when more standard methods are not immediately available. The > idea of a bunch of men standing over an injured person and pissing into > their wounds may disgust you, but they may be saving a life. > Larry

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I thought the primary purpose of the sinuses was to humidify and warm the inhaled air before it reached the lungs. If sinuses are designed to handle inhaled air, how could they ever be sterile? For that matter, how much of any part of our bodies can really be sterile, to any meaningful degree? " MS" wrote in message

news:un7k153gtgmf84@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Another point– > Is it really a good goal to want to have the fluid go into the sinuses? > Perhaps when one has an active sinus infection, to wash out the infected > pus. > When one is not infected, the sinuses are supposed to be sterile. The nose > however, is never sterile, always full of microbes. So, even if one’s > equipment is 100% sterile, and the solution one is shooting in is 100% > sterile, if it washes contaminated material from the nose into the sinuses, > is that a good thing?

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http://www.entlink.net/documents/sinus_normal_sinuses.pdf This link has a pretty good picture (requires Acrobat reader) "Oliver" wrote in message

news:DJgb9.6363$N%4.496330@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m probably going to start up a fire storm of controversy here, but I agree > with your doctor. I do not feel that irrigation actually floods the > sinuses. Rather, it floods and rinses the nasal passages, and floods and > rinses a few of the sinus openings. I think it rinses the ethmoid and > maxillary sinus openings the most effectively. The irrigation fluid is > going to follow the path of least resistance, which at least in my case, is > up one nostrile until it reaches the passegways to the throught, or the > other nasal passage way. Then, it goes out. > Never the less, rinsing the openings and flushing the nasal passageways > still provides considerable relief. If the nasal passages are flooded and > jamed up with mucus, there is no way that mucus that is still in the sinuses > is going to make it through the openings, and out the nasal passegeways. > So, keeping the nose clear is a good step. Plus, the salene solution sooths > and rinses the sinus openings, which can reduce inflamation there, making it > more likely that mucus will be able to get out of the sinuses, and then out > through the nose. > Keep in mind, that I am not a doctor, and that the above is just my opinion > on what happens to me, when I irrigate. If someone can teach me how to get > fluid actually into the sinuses, then I’m all ears. I am also a converted > irrigation skeptic. It helps, quite a bit. > I’d try it if I was in your place. I’d start with a cheep ear bulb, and if > you like it, spend the money to try the water pick out. > Here is a cool link that I found while searching for a picture of the nasal > passegeways to support my "nasal" irrigation theory. I did’nt find a good > pic, but they have some pretty cool info here…. > http://www.entnet.org/ > Oliver > "Jim-Bob" wrote in message > news:3d6d1e78$1_4@news.utk.edu… > > Hi, > > Tuesday’s CT scan says my sinuses are ok, but I still think my head would > > feel better if I hooked a FIRE HOSE to my nose and blasted my sinuses with > > water (or something). > > My question: Do the Water Pik and Grossan device wash the "nose" OR do > they > > reach way, way, up into the "sinuses"?? When asked about sinus > irrigation, > > my Dr. said there was no irrigating the "sinus". Hmm???? > > thanks in advance! (tia) > > dan

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I irrigate once per day with the Rinoflow. The irrigator tip for the Water Pick scared me. Here is the link to the Rinoflow. http://www.respironics.com/product_library/invoke.cfm?objectid=4E0DC3… -423C-9206F0D003AE806D I bought mine at a local allergy store and was even reimbursed by my insurance company. I swear by it, it really works. I have allergies and have been off of my medication for a couple of months now. I would rather irrigate than take medication every day. Hope this helps. "Jim-Bob" wrote in message

news:3d6d1e78$1_4@news.utk.edu… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > Tuesday’s CT scan says my sinuses are ok, but I still think my head would > feel better if I hooked a FIRE HOSE to my nose and blasted my sinuses with > water (or something). > My question: Do the Water Pik and Grossan device wash the "nose" OR do they > reach way, way, up into the "sinuses"?? When asked about sinus irrigation, > my Dr. said there was no irrigating the "sinus". Hmm???? > thanks in advance! (tia) > dan

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Another point– Is it really a good goal to want to have the fluid go into the sinuses? Perhaps when one has an active sinus infection, to wash out the infected pus. When one is not infected, the sinuses are supposed to be sterile. The nose however, is never sterile, always full of microbes. So, even if one’s equipment is 100% sterile, and the solution one is shooting in is 100% sterile, if it washes contaminated material from the nose into the sinuses, is that a good thing?

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"Oliver" wrote in message

news:e%Vb9.8515$%D6.785858@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > One way or another, I think it’s easy to agree that irrigation is a good > thing. No argument there. I’ve ceased to care about the why, and worry > only about the whether at this point.

Actually, although many ENTs recommend it these days, I’ve had some very prominent ones recommend against it. So, it’s not exactly a point of 100% agreement in the medical/ENT community, that irrigation is good. I don’t care to repeat all the details again, of what I’ve written before. If you do a search for the word "irrigation" on this NG, you’ll find thousands of posts discussing it. I personally couldn’t stop irrigating, as my nose gets so full of thick junk, I wouldn’t be able to breathe. Just to point out, that it is not a point of 100% agreement in the medical community, that irrigation is good. Also, most I’ve seen do not say one type of irrigation is better than the others, as one reads from some here.

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One way or another, I think it’s easy to agree that irrigation is a good thing. No argument there. I’ve ceased to care about the why, and worry only about the whether at this point. Perhaps we should put together a clincal trial group, and test out this, er, um, romance problem. Any volunteers? And….. I do mean with your own partners "ENTconsult" wrote in message

news:20020829122418.25050.00004320@mb-md.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> no matter how hard I try to expell the > liquid, a few hours later and I bend over and….. Jon > yes, that is when the ciia are activated. Avoid romance for 20 minutes after > pulsatile irrigaton. > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com > http://www.TinnitusRelief.net > http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm

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no matter how hard I try to expell the liquid, a few hours later and I bend over and….. Jon yes, that is when the ciia are activated. Avoid romance for 20 minutes after pulsatile irrigaton. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm

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Dr Grossan has said the same thing, I believe. Not so. What I said is: Pulsatile irrigation does cause fluid to enter the sinus to displace the pus/mucus in the sinus. How much and which sinus depends on current openings, head position, etc. This is why we tell the patient not to have romance for 20 minutes after pulsatile irrigation. That’s when the cilia start to move the fluid out and it can come out with "romance" in an unromantic manner all 20 or more cc of it. But the entrance / exit of the fluid is not the theraputic key here. It is removal of the thick mucus reduction of the bacterial toxin and fungal toxin load reduction of biofilm covering some bacteria restoring cilia function so that they can clear the sinus in the natural way. If there is an anotomical blockage to the sinus, the fluid will not be able to enter. But this is uncommon in the general office population. The patients that we see in my office have already had three of the latest antibiotics, weeks of cortisone sprays, various allergy pills and Neti Pot, rubber bulbs, etc etc etc So the pulsatile irrigator is for these persons. If you don’t have a nasal/ sinus problems then you don’t need the pulsatile irrigator. If salne with benzalkonium works for you then you don’t need a benzalkonium free product. However judging from the patients we get, lots of people can benefit by pulsatile irrigation and using benzalkonium free solutions of modified Lactate Ringer’s solution. There is no question that people can get well without the Hydro Pulse. These persons don’t fit into the statistic of the 35 million persons with sinusitis that the Academy of Otolaryngology speaks of. But if you are not getting well, you should discuss with your doctor about your cilia function and if necessary, what you can do about healing it. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm

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Hello …. I agree with Oliver’s words. The way I see it, if one can flush out the blobs of yellow mucus etc., then there is a definite link between the infection and the outside world. Even if the solution doesn’t completely penetrate the sinuses, keeping the inside of the nasal passages as clean as possible can only facilitate drainage. At any rate, I believe a certain amount of solution must work it’s way into some of the sinuses, for no matter how hard I try to expell the liquid, a few hours later and I bend over and….. Jon

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On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:41:23 GMT, "Oliver" wrote: >I’m probably going to start up a fire storm of controversy here, but I agree >with your doctor. I do not feel that irrigation actually floods the >sinuses. Rather, it floods and rinses the nasal passages, and floods and >rinses a few of the sinus openings. I think it rinses the ethmoid and >maxillary sinus openings the most effectively. The irrigation fluid is >going to follow the path of least resistance, which at least in my case, is >up one nostrile until it reaches the passegways to the throught, or the >other nasal passage way. Then, it goes out.

No storm at all. Dr Grossan has said the same thing, I believe.

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Hi, Tuesday’s CT scan says my sinuses are ok, but I still think my head would feel better if I hooked a FIRE HOSE to my nose and blasted my sinuses with water (or something). My question: Do the Water Pik and Grossan device wash the "nose" OR do they reach way, way, up into the "sinuses"?? When asked about sinus irrigation, my Dr. said there was no irrigating the "sinus". Hmm???? thanks in advance! (tia) dan

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I’m probably going to start up a fire storm of controversy here, but I agree with your doctor. I do not feel that irrigation actually floods the sinuses. Rather, it floods and rinses the nasal passages, and floods and rinses a few of the sinus openings. I think it rinses the ethmoid and maxillary sinus openings the most effectively. The irrigation fluid is going to follow the path of least resistance, which at least in my case, is up one nostrile until it reaches the passegways to the throught, or the other nasal passage way. Then, it goes out. Never the less, rinsing the openings and flushing the nasal passageways still provides considerable relief. If the nasal passages are flooded and jamed up with mucus, there is no way that mucus that is still in the sinuses is going to make it through the openings, and out the nasal passegeways. So, keeping the nose clear is a good step. Plus, the salene solution sooths and rinses the sinus openings, which can reduce inflamation there, making it more likely that mucus will be able to get out of the sinuses, and then out through the nose. Keep in mind, that I am not a doctor, and that the above is just my opinion on what happens to me, when I irrigate. If someone can teach me how to get fluid actually into the sinuses, then I’m all ears. I am also a converted irrigation skeptic. It helps, quite a bit. I’d try it if I was in your place. I’d start with a cheep ear bulb, and if you like it, spend the money to try the water pick out. Here is a cool link that I found while searching for a picture of the nasal passegeways to support my "nasal" irrigation theory. I did’nt find a good pic, but they have some pretty cool info here…. http://www.entnet.org/ Oliver "Jim-Bob" wrote in message

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Please answer these questions for me

admin — Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:00:00 +0000

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I just found out i have sinusitis and it seems like a flu that never seems to go away. I have a couple of questions and can someone please answer them for me. 1. Why does my throat hurt? 2. Can antibiotics help me? 3. When will it all just go away? 4. Why did it happen to me? 5. What can claritin do for me? Thanks alot

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On 20 Sep 2001 14:44:39 GMT, damurderz…@aol.com (DA MURDER ZONE) wrote: >I just found out i have sinusitis and it seems like a flu that never seems to >go away. I have a couple of questions and can someone please answer them for >me. >1. Why does my throat hurt? >2. Can antibiotics help me?

They can potentially but need to be competently planned. >3. When will it all just go away?

You cannot count on that – see an otolaryngologist specializing in sinuses. >4. Why did it happen to me?

Many reasons are possible – allergies, anatomy, etc. >5. What can claritin do for me?

Depending on the nature of your sinusitis, it might be very counterproductive and even prolong the sinusitis, since it dries things out and can limit drainage of infected mucous. See the FAQ for more information.

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Thank you for the answer but if I dont have allergy problems, do you think I should be taking claritin?

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On 21 Sep 2001 01:36:11 GMT, damurderz…@aol.com (DA MURDER ZONE) wrote: >Thank you for the answer but if I dont have allergy problems, do you think I >should be taking claritin?

Well it can have value for non-allergic as well as allergic rhinitis. But I think it is risky to take for sinusitis because it tends to dry out any infection "in place." In other words, no. But I would see an otolaryngologist.

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damurderz…@aol.com wrote: > 1. Why does my throat hurt?

Your throat might hurt because it is raw from the drainage from your sinuses. Also, if your nasal passages are stuffy, making you have to breathe through your mouth, you may be drying out your throat. That can make it hurt more. > 2. Can antibiotics help me?

If you have a sinus "infection", then yes, they would probably help you. If you have swollen nasal passages or swollen sinus openings due to allergy or non-allergic rhinitis, you would probably have to address these issues as well. > 3. When will it all just go away?

That’s hard to answer. Depends on how heathy you are and what kind of steps you take to help yourself. > 4. Why did it happen to me?

Don’t know why it happened to you. Perhaps you’ve been under lots of stress that has broken down your body’s ability to deal with infections. Maybe you have allergies to something in your environment that are continuing to exacerbate the situation. Maybe you have young children bringing home infections from day care. Lots of people get sinus infections. > 5. What can claritin do for me?

Claritin is for allergies. If you have allergy problem, this may be able to help your nasal passages not react/swell so much. In turn, your sinus openings may then stay open — this allows your sinuses to drain instead of closing off and causing headaches and encouraging infection.

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sinus smell

admin — Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:00:00 +0000

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(Hope this isn’t too old a thread…) I checked with my pharmacist and he said the 25% glucose, 75% glycerol solution was unusual. Do you think it could possibly be 75% glucose, 25% glycerol? Thanks. Dick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"David Belbin" wrote in message … > I had a very pungent smell from my nasal discharge for a number of years. > Initially I could only smell it when I had been cycling on a hot day. > Later, when I cleared my nose, others in the room could share this > disgusting odour. > I became very self conscious about this and my wife frequently complained > about the smell from my handkerchiefs. > At present it is almost gone. My surgeon recommended nose drops 25% > Glucose, 75% glycerol. (Pharmacist will make up this mixture without a > prescription.) Also, I believe that irrigating with a saline solution > helps this problem. (Fancy devices are not necessary. Sniffing the saline > from a saucer, over a sink, is very effective.) > Improvement doesn’t happen overnight, but I can sympathise with your problem > and it is working for me. > Regards > David

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Mark, Thanks for the suggestions on my question. I think that your ’smell’ issue is probably just related to the antibiotics or infection. A lot of antibiotics smell/taste bad, as does infection. When it clears up, it seems like it should go back to normal. I have lost my sense of smell and hope it clears up when everything else does. Good Luck, C – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mark Holmes wrote: > I’ve recently had a bout of sinusitis which whacked my maxilary sinuses > really bad and murdered my upper teeth. I was prescribed Minocin 100mg/bid > and that seemed to take it away (have been on it for 3 weeks), but now the > pain seems to be coming back in my cheekbone. Not sure what that is about, > but during these 3 weeks have also noticed a sort of sinusy smell when in > breathe in through my nose – not very pleasant – is this sign of infection? > I’m guessing Minocin initially cleared infection but now infection is > fighting back and winning. Am due for a CT this next Thursday – in the > meantime wondering about that smell and thought I would seek your opinion. > Thanks, > Mark

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Hi Mark I had a very pungent smell from my nasal discharge for a number of years. Initially I could only smell it when I had been cycling on a hot day. Later, when I cleared my nose, others in the room could share this disgusting odour. I became very self conscious about this and my wife frequently complained about the smell from my handkerchiefs. At present it is almost gone. My surgeon recommended nose drops 25% Glucose, 75% glycerol. (Pharmacist will make up this mixture without a prescription.) Also, I believe that irrigating with a saline solution helps this problem. (Fancy devices are not necessary. Sniffing the saline from a saucer, over a sink, is very effective.) Improvement doesn’t happen overnight, but I can sympathise with your problem and it is working for me. Regards David "Mark Holmes" wrote in message

news:9l7iou01v3@enews1.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve recently had a bout of sinusitis which whacked my maxilary sinuses > really bad and murdered my upper teeth. I was prescribed Minocin 100mg/bid > and that seemed to take it away (have been on it for 3 weeks), but now the > pain seems to be coming back in my cheekbone. Not sure what that is about, > but during these 3 weeks have also noticed a sort of sinusy smell when in > breathe in through my nose – not very pleasant – is this sign of infection? > I’m guessing Minocin initially cleared infection but now infection is > fighting back and winning. Am due for a CT this next Thursday – in the > meantime wondering about that smell and thought I would seek your opinion. > Thanks, > Mark

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I’ve recently had a bout of sinusitis which whacked my maxilary sinuses really bad and murdered my upper teeth. I was prescribed Minocin 100mg/bid and that seemed to take it away (have been on it for 3 weeks), but now the pain seems to be coming back in my cheekbone. Not sure what that is about, but during these 3 weeks have also noticed a sort of sinusy smell when in breathe in through my nose – not very pleasant – is this sign of infection? I’m guessing Minocin initially cleared infection but now infection is fighting back and winning. Am due for a CT this next Thursday – in the meantime wondering about that smell and thought I would seek your opinion. Thanks, Mark

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differentiating sinusitis and colds

admin — Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

Does anyone know a reliable way of telling the difference between colds and sinusitis? It is cold season here, and it might sound silly, but I’m not sure what I’ve got this time. I’ve got something that came on and feels like a cold (itchy eyes and back of throat, lots of sneezing (I’m not allergic), lots of mucus and yellow stuff, sore glands in throat) but nearly all of the muck is coming out of my ‘bad’ side. I’ve been on my usual course of Augmentin for 5 days, but there is still stacks of congestion and yellow stuff, most of it coming out of the bad side. Otherwise I feel OK now. I’m worried that it’s really a sinus infection that’s finally developed resistance to Augmentin, but if it’s a cold then that would be normal, I guess. I seem to remember that before I started having to take antibiotics with colds my colds used to go for a couple of weeks with lots of yellow stuff. ie I guess I’m asking whether you can have lots of yellow discharge and thick mucus with a cold even though you are on antibiotics. Thanks, Ann

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ann wrote: > Does anyone know a reliable way of telling the difference between colds and > sinusitis? It is cold season here, and it might sound silly, but I’m not > sure what I’ve got this time. I’ve got something that came on and feels like > a cold (itchy eyes and back of throat, lots of sneezing (I’m not allergic), > lots of mucus and yellow stuff, sore glands in throat) but nearly all of the > muck is coming out of my ‘bad’ side. I’ve been on my usual course of > Augmentin for 5 days, but there is still stacks of congestion and yellow > stuff, most of it coming out of the bad side. Otherwise I feel OK now. I’m > worried that it’s really a sinus infection that’s finally developed > resistance to Augmentin, but if it’s a cold then that would be normal, I > guess. I seem to remember that before I started having to take antibiotics > with colds my colds used to go for a couple of weeks with lots of yellow > stuff. > ie I guess I’m asking whether you can have lots of yellow discharge and > thick mucus with a cold even though you are on antibiotics.

Yes. With a common cold, the secretions often turn thick and yellow towards the end of the cold. But there is one sure-fire difference between a common cold and bacterial sinusitis: A common cold is self-limiting, and bacterial sinusitis may or may not be. Most colds vanish in two weeks or less. If after two weeks, you’re still sick, it’s probably not a simple cold. What complicates the situation, is that it can start out like a cold (and the sudden onset you describe sounds like a simple cold). But then the simple cold can turn into a secondary bacterial sinus infection. In two weeks, you will know one way or the other. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlink.net "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK. I’m gainfully employed." – President George W. Bush

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Peculiar (and frustrating) PND problem – any ideas?

admin — Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

Hi, Just a couple of ideas, try the antihistamines continuously for several days and see if that helps, they may not have enough time to work. Maybe what is causing the problem is not in the bedroom. For instance maybe mildew in shower, exposure when getting ready for bed, by morning okay again. Change your routine and see if that helps kind of like an elimination diet. Try not brushing teeth one night, no deodorant, no hair tonic, etc. Eliminate just one at a time and see if any cause symptoms to disappear. Good luck, Marv "Mike" wrote in message

news:3b2de692.612897@netnews.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For the last week or so, I’ve been having a very odd problem with > postnasal drip at night. When I go to sleep I’ll be more or less fine, > but within 1-3 hours after I fall asleep I wake up with severe > postnasal drip. I’m able to partially alleviat e it with a cough > drop, some steam, saline spray and water and then I go back to sleep > and wake up without much of a problem. > There doesn’t seem to be any connection with nasal congestion (I’m > usually not that stuffy, and even when I’m completely clear, it > happens) and I’ve tried 12 Hour Sudafed, Drixoral, Astelin, > Allegra-D, AlleRx, and Extendryl, all having no effect on this > problem. I have a HEPA air filter in the bedroom, along with special > pillows, pillow covers, and bed covers to help with dust mites (to > which I’m allergic, along with mold and a number of trees and > grasses). My ENT/Allergist seems stumped and any suggestions would be > greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Mike

Response:

You might try changing your laundry detergent. I had a similar problem that developed over a period of time with some brands. Even though they are free of perfumes and dyes they can have other substances which you can become sensitized to. So far I know I can tolerate Sport wash from campmor and Arm&Hammer free. In principle, you can run everything through a second cycle without any detergent to rise out any residue. You might try that first but I’m not going to gurantee it works. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:41:04 GMT, witne…@bigfoot.com (Mike) wrote: >For the last week or so, I’ve been having a very odd problem with >postnasal drip at night. When I go to sleep I’ll be more or less fine, >but within 1-3 hours after I fall asleep I wake up with severe >postnasal drip. I’m able to partially alleviat e it with a cough >drop, some steam, saline spray and water and then I go back to sleep >and wake up without much of a problem. >There doesn’t seem to be any connection with nasal congestion (I’m >usually not that stuffy, and even when I’m completely clear, it >happens) and I’ve tried 12 Hour Sudafed, Drixoral, Astelin, >Allegra-D, AlleRx, and Extendryl, all having no effect on this >problem. I have a HEPA air filter in the bedroom, along with special >pillows, pillow covers, and bed covers to help with dust mites (to >which I’m allergic, along with mold and a number of trees and >grasses). My ENT/Allergist seems stumped and any suggestions would be >greatly appreciated. >Thanks, >Mike

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Mike wrote: > For the last week or so, I’ve been having a very odd problem with > postnasal drip at night. When I go to sleep I’ll be more or less fine, > but within 1-3 hours after I fall asleep I wake up with severe > postnasal drip. I’m able to partially alleviat e it with a cough > drop, some steam, saline spray and water and then I go back to sleep > and wake up without much of a problem.

What color are your PND secretions? If they’re discolored, then it could be sinusitis. If so, then 2-3 week course of antibiotics should improve things. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlink.net "I guess I could have paid a little closer attention when I was in English class, but it all worked out OK. I’m gainfully employed." – President George W. Bush

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For the last week or so, I’ve been having a very odd problem with postnasal drip at night. When I go to sleep I’ll be more or less fine, but within 1-3 hours after I fall asleep I wake up with severe postnasal drip. I’m able to partially alleviat e it with a cough drop, some steam, saline spray and water and then I go back to sleep and wake up without much of a problem. There doesn’t seem to be any connection with nasal congestion (I’m usually not that stuffy, and even when I’m completely clear, it happens) and I’ve tried 12 Hour Sudafed, Drixoral, Astelin, Allegra-D, AlleRx, and Extendryl, all having no effect on this problem. I have a HEPA air filter in the bedroom, along with special pillows, pillow covers, and bed covers to help with dust mites (to which I’m allergic, along with mold and a number of trees and grasses). My ENT/Allergist seems stumped and any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike

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"Mike" wrote in message

Hi Mike! In most supermarkets and drugstores you should find an OTC House Dust Mite Spray which is in two separate spray bottles, one to kill the dust mites and the other to inactivate the airborne dried droppings. Try the one for the droppings to see if there is an improvement. I use 5% tannic acid – it’s cheaper. Regards, Duncan.