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Son 7yr old – headaches (sorry long..)

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I would like more information, if anyone can point me there, to a connection between boys with migraines who develop clusters.

I’ve never heard any "medical" connection between the two. I have often heard the two put together in the same sentence when trying to explain to someone, what clusters are. It is a bit difficult explaining cluster headaches, without somehow using the word migraine, only because more people have an idea of what you are talking about when you mention migraines. Bob

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Thanks Jack and J. Michael for the answer. I had one friend in college who had clusters (one of the few people to understand my migraines). I can remember him punching a hole in the wall from the pain (I was one of the few people to understand his pain). I never asked whether it was one sided or not (more of my migraines are one sided). I would like more information, if anyone can point me there, to a connection between boys with migraines who develop clusters. Georgia

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well this is the 3rd time this month that my 7yr old has had to stay home from school due to "migraine" i took her back to her ped this afternoon and the only thing he was concerned about was a slight redness in her tonsells. did not even really say anything about the headache except its prob a flu like headache…well i was the one up with her at 4 am and ill tell you that was no flu headache. I dont know if i should just take her on my own to a nuro? I just hate that she is now starting to suffer like i do.(she’s only 7) i gave her childrens advil and thank god it worked but that scares me too because of her age and ryes syndrome. a friend of my child died from it a few years back.

Can you change ped’s? You need someone who understands that children can have migraines. I don’t know when mine started, but I’m sure I was less than 7. ` Suzie Melbourne, Australia There are three crowns: the crown of Torah, the crown of priesthood and the crown of royalty; but the crown of a good name exceeds them all. Pirke Avot 4:19.

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yes i can change but in all other aspects he is great she also has cronic bronicits and with that he is great. I wonder if i can take her to someone just for the headaches?

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Believe me ,there ae several documented, fully cured patients,after we made the breakthrough for a cure for migraine ,vascular and tension headaches. Wow, are you serious? "Several" documented, fully cured, patients? I don’t suppose you could post the definition of "several",

According to Webster, "several" means not very bloody many, but more than 2. tell us the length of time since these patients were declared ‘fully cured’, (and whether or not they agree with you) and then tell us how many of the total number of patients you treated were NOT fully cured by your breakthrough cure, do you? And exactly who had vascular migraine headaches and who had tension headaches? Please feel free to include other answers to questions that I may have, in my enthusiasm, forgotten to ask about with the proper regard for the seriousness of this topic. Thank you, Anne "You must see the infinite, i.e., the universal, in your particular, or it is only gossip."–O.W.Holmes, Jr.

Overheard: "I’d give my right arm to be ambidextrous" J. Michael Phillips

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Migraines can start anytime in your life. I actually think my son had his first one at 9 months (although he didn’t get to the point of voicing head pain until he was almost 4). Yuck! I guess I’m pretty lucky after all . . . my first Cluster was when I was 16 . . . some 28 years ago. That brings up something I have wondered about. Does anyone know whether kids can get clusters?

The preponderance of cluster sufferers are males (about 90-95%), approaching 40-ish, and smokers (some nearly 80%). The problem is that a LOT of doctors call very bad migraines that tend to "cluster" around a date, and then abate "Clusters," when they’re really episodic migraines, so a LOT of people call their migraines "clusters" when they’re not. It’s REAL frustrating for me – for example: I worked in a Home Depot for a while. There were about 115 people working there, so statistically, if you put 4 stores together, you MIGHT find ONE other person who gets Clusters. Keep in mind that over 90% of us are males. Imagine my surprise when it got out that I got clusters, and I had 6 people walk up to me and say things like "I understand how you feel, I get "clusters," too" . . . and all 6 were females!!! I appreciate their concerns, and LOVE their prayers, but they ***DON’T*** "understand" what it’s like to have a cluster any more than I understand a Root Canal. I can commiserate, but I don’t "understand" what it’s like. There is a female counterpart to Cluster, called CPH (Chronic Paroxysmal Hemicrania) that is apparently virtually identical to clusters with several important differences: Cluster: Right side (for most) CPH: Left Side (for most) Cluster: Male CPH: Female Cluster: Certain abortives (e.g. imitrex) work as abortives CPH: there is absolutely NO known abortive – you can ONLY take narcotics for the pain . . . I have a friend with a 8 year old who has had 2 espisodes of bad headaches that sounded more like clusters than migraines. Of course, I am not an expert on clusters but I thought that it was more unusual to throw up in clusters

VERY unusual, but not unheard of . . . and the pain was more likely to be described a "vise-like" versus one-sided.

Bass-ackwards. Clusters are unilateral, almost invariably. That’s the classic definition of Cluster: ***unilateral*** excruciating lacrimation burning of the face, cheek, or neck *Ruddy "orangepeel" complexion (sp?) (I’ve actually seen this in 2 different books, but it’s not true of me) *taller than average (I’ve actually seen this in 2 different books also, but I’m only average height – 69") *Cute (That’s what my wife says – anyone will tell you she’s DEAD wrong) *Above average – WAY above average intelli . . . intella . . . intalli uhhh . . . REAL smart . . . LOL (I’ve HEARD this one, too) patient cannot hold still This is one of the more obvious ways to tell a Cluster from a Migraine. The Migraine patient needs dark, quiet rest. Cluster patient doesn’t care about light, sound, etc (to an extent, and then only sometimes), but we CAN’T hold still. We rock back and forth uncontrollably and bang our heads against things. I one punched a hole in the wall with my head during an episode, and have been known to wake my wife (who can sleep through an alarm) by the noise of banging my head against the wall or floor. The doctor said migraines (a good doctor, too) but she saw Chris with a migraine and said her son NEVER threw up (strong constitution? I almost never throw up as an adult but as a child, I could even throw up before the pain actually started) So, you cluster sufferers, did anyone start before puberty?

I started 10 years before puberty, when I was 16 years old . . . LOL (JK) Seriously, I don’t know any true cluster patients that started before puberty with *clusters* But some of us started with *migraines* before puberty, and then got clusters later. I still get the occasional migraine, but they’re rare for me. Clusters are the rule . . . and unfortunately, they "rule" with an iron fist in a chain-mail glove during the fall . . . And do I understand the difference between them or am I totally off base?

You seem to have a pretty good concept, but are a little off. Keep in mind, there are no rules. Clusters are like love and war in that respect. OUCH!!! I’ll say an extra prayer (or a bunch of ‘em, if you have no objection) for you and your kids. I’ll take all the prayers I can get!

Consider it done. Overheard: "I’d give my right arm to be ambidextrous" J. Michael Phillips

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That brings up something I have wondered about. Does anyone know whether kids can get clusters? I have a friend with a 8 year old who has had 2 espisodes of bad headaches that sounded more like clusters than migraines. Of course, I am not an expert on clusters but I thought that it was more unusual to throw up in clusters and the pain was more likely to be described a "vise-like" versus one-sided. The doctor said migraines (a good doctor, too) but she saw Chris with a migraine and said her son NEVER threw up (strong constitution? I almost never throw up as an adult but as a child, I could even throw up before the pain actually started) So, you cluster sufferers, did anyone start before puberty? And do I understand the difference between them or am I totally off base? OUCH!!! I’ll say an extra prayer (or a bunch of ‘em, if you have no objection) for you and your kids.

I’ll take all the prayers I can get! Georgia

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Possible. Migraines seem to have some kind of hereditary factors, but it would be (I think) a little unusual for her to have started this young. Just a comment, it is NOT unusual for children to get migraines.

I sit corrected (because I’m too lazy to stand corrected). Many kids start very young. But I don’t think you should self-diagnosis your child.

AMEN and AMEN! Take them to a caring migraine friendly family doctor or to a children’s neurologist.

Sage advice. Migraines can start anytime in your life. I actually think my son had his first one at 9 months (although he didn’t get to the point of voicing head pain until he was almost 4).

Yuck! I guess I’m pretty lucky after all . . . my first Cluster was when I was 16 . . . some 28 years ago. Georgia (who got her first migraine at 4 and has 2 migraine suffering kids)

OUCH!!! I’ll say an extra prayer (or a bunch of ‘em, if you have no objection) for you and your kids. Michael (gets Clusters instead of Migraines, and whose children, 15 & 16 are migraine/cluster free!) ***Finally, something to thank God for!*** Overheard: "I’d give my right arm to be ambidextrous" J. Michael Phillips

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well this is the 3rd time this month that my 7yr old has had to stay home from school due to "migraine" i took her back to her ped this afternoon and the only thing he was concerned about was a slight redness in her tonsells. did not even really say anything about the headache except its prob a flu like headache…well i was the one up with her at 4 am and ill tell you that was no flu headache. I dont know if i should just take her on my own to a nuro? I just hate that she is now starting to suffer like i do.(she’s only 7) i gave her childrens advil and thank god it worked but that scares me too because of her age and ryes syndrome. a friend of my child died from it a few years

back. Well, I would suggest you go see a neurologist. Do you see one yourself or do you see your family doctor (or are you currently in "NO DOCTOR" mode ? At 4, my son went into a 3-8 headaches per month thing. Our family doctor (who is pretty good) was more comfortable with him seeing a neurologist. Chris was on periactin for about 8 months. It did great (except for the awful nighttime ones he got but that is another story). We took him off it because of some concerns about his sleeping. So far, he hasn’t gotten them as often as that (he did go though a bad period last year but after he got new glasses, it seemed to cool down). He currently get 1-2 a month (but can go upto 2 months sometimes). He is 10 now. In our case, we are using excedrin with a doctor’s blessing (as long as there is no fever). That combination of asiprin, tylenol, and caffiene works so well. Advil was working for him but had stopped and esgig made him throw up within 15 minutes (no matter how early we used it). We just check his temp before we give it. My daughter, age 6, also has migraines but, so far, advil is working for her (she has them a lot more infrequently). Advil worked for my son up until last spring (so almost 6 years). Actually, now that I am off caffiene on a regular basis, excedrin is working for me (I am alternating it with my Imitrex so I don’t take it too often). Georgia

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Possible. Migraines seem to have some kind of hereditary factors, but it would be (I think) a little unusual for her to have started this young.

Just a comment, it is NOT unusual for children to get migraines. Many kids start very young. But I don’t think you should self-diagnosis your child. Take them to a caring migraine friendly family doctor or to a children’s neurologist. Migraines can start anytime in your life. I actually think my son had his first one at 9 months (although he didn’t get to the point of voicing head pain until he was almost 4). Georgia (who got her first migraine at 4 and has 2 migraine suffering kids)

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my 9 year old daugher also has a one sided throbbing headache which has lasted 2 days.i have given her neurofen.i am a migraine suffere .do you think she has it?she does not feel sick and is eating ok but is walking around with her hand on her temple.what do you think?

My migraines started approx. at the age of 6 yrs., so yes it could be possible she is suffering from migraines at this tender age. Hopefully, you live in a major city, where you would find a neurologist, preferably one who specializes in pediatrics in a nearby children’s hospital. Please, do not try to medicate or diagnose at home. When it comes to children —- don’t mess around —- get this checked out, ASAP. Good luck, Mary

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There is no way for me to know for sure. You should take her to a doctor, just in case . . . but . . . my 9 year old daugher also has a one sided throbbing headache which has lasted 2 days.

9-year old? Children often emulate their parents. They see you with your hand on your temple, and with a mild headache, they will emulate that behaviour because they know that you and yours will treat it as serious. i have given her neurofen.

I don’t know what that is, but if it’s prescription, you should definitely NOT – I repeat DO NOT give a 9-year old child prescriptions for an adult without the advice of a doctor!!! i am a migraine suffere .do you think she has it?

Possible. Migraines seem to have some kind of hereditary factors, but it would be (I think) a little unusual for her to have started this young. she does not feel sick and is eating ok but is walking around with her hand on her temple.what do you think?

My first guess is that she’s emulating behaviour of someone she loves and respects, but you should consult your doctor to be sure. Overheard: "I’d give my right arm to be ambidextrous" J. Michael Phillips

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Hi, have just found your newsgroup and would love some help and information. I took my 7 year old son to G.P. Monday, after suffering another weekend of TIA Regards. Sally Sydney. Aust.

Hi, Sally, There are other option for your GP to consider I would certainly get a second opinion. I would also talk to your GP about the more regular headaches. They may not be a concern at the moment, but the might change later in life and it would be good to have that under control. Seeing they are almost everyday I would be considering allergies. The Royal Prince Alfred Hospital has a very good Allergy Unit and they could probably help you or refer you to a good person. There are other possibilities, though. I have emailed you Priscilla’s Welcome FAQ. Suzie Melbourne, Australia There are three crowns: the crown of Torah, the crown of priesthood and the crown of royalty; but the crown of a good name exceeds them all. Pirke Avot 4:19.

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Dear Dr Devan Pardon my navite..but you couldn’t get me to come to INDIA on a bet..not even if you paid all my expenses!!! Please do not continue to insult the intelligence of those on this NG…we are ALL real headache sufferers,,,and amongst this group EVERY treatment known to modern ACCEPTED medical practice has been tried….for some it has helped…maybe just a little bit….but I doubt ANY of us would consider ourselves cured,,,,, Since I am a medical professional myself,,I take personal offense at your impudence and continued assaults on us.. Please peddle your wares elsewhere…perhaps in India people actually believe your nonsense,,,,but here in the US most of us are educated medical consumers….we demand FACTS and STUDIES to back up claims as ridiculous as those you continue to make.. Please disapear back into cyberspace…We promise we will CONTACT you..if any of us becomes desperate enough to consider your "snake oil" approach… I second the motion that we should complain to this guy’s ISP…. rb Hawki…the nurse practitioner

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Anne, You go girl!!!! Jackie

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Believe me ,there ae several documented, fully cured patients,after we made the breakthrough for a cure for migraine ,vascular and tension headaches.

Wow, are you serious? "Several" documented, fully cured, patients? I don’t suppose you could post the definition of "several", tell us the length of time since these patients were declared ‘fully cured’, (and whether or not they agree with you) and then tell us how many of the total number of patients you treated were NOT fully cured by your breakthrough cure, do you? And exactly who had vascular migraine headaches and who had tension headaches? Please feel free to include other answers to questions that I may have, in my enthusiasm, forgotten to ask about with the proper regard for the seriousness of this topic. Thank you, Anne "You must see the infinite, i.e., the universal, in your particular, or it is only gossip."–O.W.Holmes, Jr.

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Dear Sally, I read your letter and regret to note the suffering of your son.I am an Asst Clinical Professor of Otolaryngology and run a Headache and Vertigo Clinic.In my opinion,your son can be fully cured…you would have to come down here though(INDIA),or I will have to send the medication by mail..but then I would be treating without seeing the patient.Believe me ,there ae several documented, fully cured patients,after we made the breakthrough for a cure for migraine Bye.Dr.Devan. — Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com

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Last year our daughter came home from school on a Friday with a headache. Took her to the ER after vomiting and pain only on left side of her head. Treated for with phenergan 12.5 mg suppository and Motrin. Referred to Neurologist(sp) who did a cat scan to rule out tumors etc. Nothing there. Did a sleep study. Nothing.Put her on 25 mg Atenolol every day. He made me do a chart for two month of when headaches occurred, intensity on scale 1-10. It came down to stress at school. Our daughter had two teachers at the time alot of work. Eliminated alot of unnecessary work. Headaches stopped. We could use Motrin 400 mg while on the atenolol. Have recently taken her off the atenolol as the new school year started. No more headaches. Final diagnosis is Migraines even at 9 years of age. I was diagnosed at the age of seven many years ago. Alot of Doctors do not believe it can happen at a early age (ran into that problem). Hope this may help someone. Michelle

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My ten year old suffers from Migraines, for him the lights at his old school bothered him and caffeine . I am hoping his are’nt as bad as mine. Now my six year old has been complaining about his head hurting and he says it feels tight, I have three kids and so far it seems two of them have it God I hope my daughter does’nt get them. Shiela – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I must have missed the original post. I have had migraine’s for about 10-12 years. All of a sudden on wedneday my 7yr old daughter woke up in the middle of the night crying her head hurt and she was throwing up…Oh god i hope i have not passed this on to her. I gave her some childrens motren and it worked Thank god…… I called her Dr and he did not seem real concerned. Anyone else’s kids also have migraines?

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I must have missed the original post. I have had migraine’s for about 10-12 years. All of a sudden on wedneday my 7yr old daughter woke up in the middle of the night crying her head hurt and she was throwing up…Oh god i hope i have not passed this on to her. I gave her some childrens motren and it worked Thank god…… I called her Dr and he did not seem real concerned. Anyone else’s kids also have migraines?

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It sure wouldn’t hurt to have him checked out by a pediatric neurologist. But you have to be careful, some of them do not believe in pain medication. (I have run into these) It’s fine to use beta and calcium channel blockers or epilieptic medicine to prevent migraines, but you also need something for the ones the break through anyway. I wish him soft hugs and no pain for today. – Linda

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Hi, have just found your newsgroup and would love some help and information. I took my 7 year old son to G.P. Monday, after suffering another weekend of headaches. His usual headache consists of dull ache across forehead with no dislike of light or noise, he just seems to be O.K. lying down watching T.V. I give him paracetamol and he’s fine. However, Monday he awoke with a "sore eyebrow" that "bangs"!! As a migraine sufferer from way back I recognised this one. Hence the trip to G.P. (This was the first time he’d described these symptoms). Our GP quickly checked him over and prescribed propranolol (Inderal). I asked about side-effects and he said that only asmatics(sp.) need worry. He asked that we return in two weeks for follow-up. After consulting my trusty drug book I am now concerned about such a young child being on such a heavy drug. My son certainly had a migraine on Monday, though his headaches (which occur nearly every day) do not seem to fit the migraine profile. He is a beautiful, sensitive boy and we have a good rapaul – I have discussed with him any worries or concerns he may have and believe this not to be the cause of his headaches. Should I trust this doctor? Should I ask to be referred to a peadiatric specialist? Am I right in believing further testing is required before turning to pharm. treatment. His typical headaches have continued, even today and the only other sympton he has is a stuffy nose ( no sinus pain though). Sorry to waffle on a bit, am really concerned and would appreciate any input from the group. TIA Regards. Sally Sydney. Aust.

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