OT:wine question
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Can wine "turn"? We got some (cheap) wine…a brand I usually buy. Upon pouring the first glass,I noticed bubbling. I thought that was a bit strange. Upon tasting it…GAG!!! It tasted like cider gone bad! Reminded me of cider I got sick on as a child. Took it back to the store for an exchange. Curious as to whether anyone else has ever had this experience. Sharon..who believes in Better Living through Eccentricity
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Frankenmel wrote: > Can wine "turn"?
Oh, yeah. To vinegar, and worse. > We got some (cheap) wine…a brand I usually buy. Upon pouring > the first glass,I noticed bubbling. I thought that was a bit strange. Upon > tasting it…GAG!!! It tasted like cider gone bad! Reminded me of cider I got > sick on as a child. Took it back to the store for
Sounds like something went wrong in the process and the wine kept fermenting after it was corked. I’ve had this happen – rarely, but on occasion – with expensive wine as well as the cheaper stuff. Nasty, isn’t it? –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org
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Cathy Friedmann <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:a15evb$ofhsh$1@ID-103542.news.dfncis.de… > Hmmmm… wonder what *was* in it? (Talcum powder??)
Talcum powder is really finely ground rock and can be carcinogenic when inserted into mucus membranes! It was probably finely ground dried herbal matter – maybe not tobacco leaves but some other plant, much as the *herbal non-tobacco cigarettes* are. — Jette "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" – Jim Byrnes je…@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
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>From: "Jette Goldie" jetteREM…@blueyonder.co.uk >Date: 1/4/02 9:59 AM Pacific Standard Time >Yes, wine can "turn". If conditions during bottling are >not sterile, then an unwanted bacteria or yeast can >get in and cause the wine to turn to vinegar, or >to go through a secondary fermentation
I wonder if you could get sick from it then. It tasted a lot like cider that made me sick as a child. Sharon..who believes in Better Living through Eccentricity
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Jette Goldie wrote: > Cathy Friedmann <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message > news:a15evb$ofhsh$1@ID-103542.news.dfncis.de… > > Hmmmm… wonder what *was* in it? (Talcum powder??) > Talcum powder is really finely ground rock and can > be carcinogenic when inserted into mucus membranes! > It was probably finely ground dried herbal matter – maybe > not tobacco leaves but some other plant, much as the > *herbal non-tobacco cigarettes* are.
No, it was definitely a white powder, not organic matter of any sort. Sold in little tins perhaps two inches across, with psychedelic lettering on the labels, usually in head shops. Either that, or I dreamed the whole thing. Which, considering how I spent much of the 60s, is a distinct possibility… –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org
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Pat Kight wrote: > Cathy Friedmann wrote: > > But I thought real snuff, as in the snuff that little silver boxes used to > > hold – a couple of centuries ago, was sniffed up the nose?? > Yes. That may have been the affectation we were trying to ape in the > ’60s, god knows. But the product wasn’t tobacco-based. > –Pat Kight > surprised nobody else remembers this stuff… > kig…@peak.org
I remember it, Pat! I think I tried it once or twice. The head shops of today just aren’t the same…………………………….. Cindy
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Frankenmel <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20020104192220.24756.00004302@mb-md.aol.com… > >From: "Jette Goldie" jetteREM…@blueyonder.co.uk > >Date: 1/4/02 9:59 AM Pacific Standard Time > >Yes, wine can "turn". If conditions during bottling are > >not sterile, then an unwanted bacteria or yeast can > >get in and cause the wine to turn to vinegar, or > >to go through a secondary fermentation > I wonder if you could get sick from it then. It tasted a lot like cider that > made me sick as a child.
It could certainly cause a gastric upset, no problem, if one drank more than a mouthful – but if it was really bad, I don’t think anyone could drink more than a sip <g> — Jette "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" – Jim Byrnes je…@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: Re: OT:wine question >From: Pat Kight kig…@peak.org >Date: 1/4/02 08:14 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <3C36536A.C7255…@peak.org> >Jette Goldie wrote: >> Cathy Friedmann <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message >> news:a15evb$ofhsh$1@ID-103542.news.dfncis.de… >> > Hmmmm… wonder what *was* in it? (Talcum powder??) >> Talcum powder is really finely ground rock and can >> be carcinogenic when inserted into mucus membranes! >> It was probably finely ground dried herbal matter – maybe >> not tobacco leaves but some other plant, much as the >> *herbal non-tobacco cigarettes* are. >No, it was definitely a white powder, not organic matter of any sort. >Sold in little tins perhaps two inches across, with psychedelic >lettering on the labels, usually in head shops. >Either that, or I dreamed the whole thing. >Which, considering how I spent much of the 60s, is a distinct >possibility… >–Pat Kight >kig…@peak.org
I remember someone having that stuff – the powder stuff. I might have even tried it. I don’t clearly remember. I often wonder if what I did back then, has anything to do with what I am going through now. I put some pretty strong chemicals in my body then. Luna
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Cathy Friedmann <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:a1572c$o9b4n$1@ID-103542.news.dfncis.de… > But I thought real snuff, as in the snuff that little silver boxes used to > hold – a couple of centuries ago, was sniffed up the nose??
Snuff – which is still available – is still sniffed up the nose. Doesn’t seem to be linked with so many cancers as chewing tobacco or smoking tobacco products. — Jette "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" – Jim Byrnes je…@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
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Cathy Friedmann wrote: > But I thought real snuff, as in the snuff that little silver boxes used to > hold – a couple of centuries ago, was sniffed up the nose??
Yes. That may have been the affectation we were trying to ape in the ’60s, god knows. But the product wasn’t tobacco-based. –Pat Kight surprised nobody else remembers this stuff… kig…@peak.org
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Hmmmm… wonder what *was* in it? (Talcum powder??) — Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon Pat Kight <kig…@peak.org> wrote in message
news:3C36351C.93CEE88F@peak.org… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cathy Friedmann wrote: > > But I thought real snuff, as in the snuff that little silver boxes used to > > hold – a couple of centuries ago, was sniffed up the nose?? > Yes. That may have been the affectation we were trying to ape in the > ’60s, god knows. But the product wasn’t tobacco-based. > –Pat Kight > surprised nobody else remembers this stuff… > kig…@peak.org
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But I thought real snuff, as in the snuff that little silver boxes used to hold – a couple of centuries ago, was sniffed up the nose?? — Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon Pat Kight <kig…@peak.org> wrote in message
news:3C35EED6.61F7DD91@peak.org… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Marilee ND wrote: > > Pat Kight <kig…@peak.org> wrote in message > > > There was a season when all the local hippies were using strawberry > > > *everything*: Wine, incense, candles, body oil, rolling papers, "snuff" > > > (anybody else remember that stuff? > > Remember it??? Good grief, people still use it all the time, though I don’t > > see any strawberry. Just the regular Copenhagen and Skoal round tins, and > > guys with a lipfull, and their horrible spitting. > No, this wasn’t real tobacco snuff, it was some kind of hippie "snuff" – > white powder in various "flavors," from menthol to strawberry. It was > meant to be snorted, not packed under the gum like "real" snuff. I > suspect, in retrospect, it was probably intended for people who wanted > to pretend they were sniffing coke. > > Worst office story: One day a young man of about 20 came into the office > > to pay his premium. He had obviously just taken a big pinch as he could > > hardly talk for the amount of crud tucked in his lower lip. > > He put a paper cup on my own desk right in front of me while he counted out > > his money–and the cup was obviously his portable spittoon. I could see the > > dried rivulets of tobacco juice clinging to the sides of the cup. > Bleah… > –Pat Kight > who once dated a guy who used Skoal – briefly. Kissing a man with snuff > in his mouth is not a pleasant experience. > kig…@peak.org
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I have seen wine turn to vinegar when it was sitting open too long, but never had that with a freshly opened bottle. sue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Cathy Friedmann wrote: > Yeah, it can turn to vinegar. Don’t know about the fizzy bit, though. I > take it, it wasn’t a sparkling wine to _begin_ with? <g> > — > Cathy > — > "Staccato signals of constant information…" > ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > Frankenmel <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message > news:20020103222954.22813.00002832@mb-mq.aol.com… > > Can wine "turn"? We got some (cheap) wine…a brand I usually buy. Upon > pouring > > the first glass,I noticed bubbling. I thought that was a bit strange. Upon > > tasting it…GAG!!! It tasted like cider gone bad! Reminded me of cider I > got > > sick on as a child. Took it back to the store for an exchange. Curious as > to > > whether anyone else has ever had this experience. > > Sharon..who believes in Better Living through Eccentricity
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> > Pat Kight <kig…@peak.org> wrote in message > –Pat Kight > who once dated a guy who used Skoal – briefly. Kissing a man with snuff > in his mouth is not a pleasant experience.
Ugh! Ugh! Ugh! Gag! Retch! Bleah! Marilee
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>From: Pat Kight kig…@peak.org >Date: 1/4/02 10:05 AM Pacific Standard Time >–Pat Kight >who once dated a guy who used Skoal – briefly. Kissing a man with snuff >in his mouth is not a pleasant experience.
We used to work with a guy who chewed. One time,totally out of curiosity,I asked to try a teeny,tiny bit. YECCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sharon..who believes in Better Living through Eccentricity
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Yep, that was it – "Strawberry Hill"! You’re right, I’d forgotten how virtually everything was strawberry this, strawberry that for a while there. Nope, though – to the snuff – don’t think I ever encountered it. Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon Pat Kight <kig…@peak.org> wrote in message
news:3C35D687.B7C26796@peak.org… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cathy Friedmann wrote: > > I’m trying to remember the name of the cheapo wine all of us poor students > > tended to drink in college… Boone’s Farm? > Ahhhhhh! Evil memory, evil memory! > Boone’s Farm apple wine … or its equally vile pink cousin, Strawberry > Hill, the wine that taught me just how bad projectile vomiting can be, > and permanently put me *off* anything flavored with strawberry (other > than actual strawberries). > There was a season when all the local hippies were using strawberry > *everything*: Wine, incense, candles, body oil, rolling papers, "snuff" > (anybody else remember that stuff? Came in pretty little round tins … > you snorted it up your nostrils and experienced instant sinus pain… > what *were* we thinking???) > As fondly as I remember much of the ’60s, there are parts of that > counterculture that, in retrospect, are downright embarrassing… > –Pat Kight > kig…@peak.org
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Frankenmel <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20020103222954.22813.00002832@mb-mq.aol.com… > Can wine "turn"? We got some (cheap) wine…a brand I usually buy. Upon pouring > the first glass,I noticed bubbling. I thought that was a bit strange. Upon > tasting it…GAG!!! It tasted like cider gone bad! Reminded me of cider I got > sick on as a child. Took it back to the store for an exchange. Curious as to > whether anyone else has ever had this experience.
Yes, wine can "turn". If conditions during bottling are not sterile, then an unwanted bacteria or yeast can get in and cause the wine to turn to vinegar, or to go through a secondary fermentation (the same principle as sparkling wine, but not so pleasant results). It can also be contaminated by the cork if the cork is imperfect or infected – you’ll hear of wine being "corked", meaning it has gone sour. I used to make my own wine. One batch of elderberry obviously hadn’t finished fermenting properly when I bottled it – woke up to find the bottle tops (plastic "corks" – easier to sterilise) being shot out of the bottles like balls from a cannon! Did you know that elderberry wine leaves BLUE stains on carpets? (and half way up the wall, and all over the towels laid down to mop it up, and the shirt I was wearing at the time <g>) However what was left in the bottles tasted utterly delicious! <g> — Jette "Work for Peace and remain fiercely loving" – Jim Byrnes je…@blueyonder.co.uk http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fanfic.html
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Marilee ND wrote: > Pat Kight <kig…@peak.org> wrote in message > > There was a season when all the local hippies were using strawberry > > *everything*: Wine, incense, candles, body oil, rolling papers, "snuff" > > (anybody else remember that stuff? > Remember it??? Good grief, people still use it all the time, though I don’t > see any strawberry. Just the regular Copenhagen and Skoal round tins, and > guys with a lipfull, and their horrible spitting.
No, this wasn’t real tobacco snuff, it was some kind of hippie "snuff" – white powder in various "flavors," from menthol to strawberry. It was meant to be snorted, not packed under the gum like "real" snuff. I suspect, in retrospect, it was probably intended for people who wanted to pretend they were sniffing coke. > Worst office story: One day a young man of about 20 came into the office > to pay his premium. He had obviously just taken a big pinch as he could > hardly talk for the amount of crud tucked in his lower lip. > He put a paper cup on my own desk right in front of me while he counted out > his money–and the cup was obviously his portable spittoon. I could see the > dried rivulets of tobacco juice clinging to the sides of the cup.
Bleah… –Pat Kight who once dated a guy who used Skoal – briefly. Kissing a man with snuff in his mouth is not a pleasant experience. kig…@peak.org
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Yeah, it can turn to vinegar. Don’t know about the fizzy bit, though. I take it, it wasn’t a sparkling wine to _begin_ with? <g> — Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon Frankenmel <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20020103222954.22813.00002832@mb-mq.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Can wine "turn"? We got some (cheap) wine…a brand I usually buy. Upon pouring > the first glass,I noticed bubbling. I thought that was a bit strange. Upon > tasting it…GAG!!! It tasted like cider gone bad! Reminded me of cider I got > sick on as a child. Took it back to the store for an exchange. Curious as to > whether anyone else has ever had this experience. > Sharon..who believes in Better Living through Eccentricity
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>From: Pat Kight kig…@peak.org >Date: 1/3/02 10:53 PM Pacific Standard Time >Sounds like something went wrong in the process and the wine kept >fermenting after it was corked. I’ve had this happen – rarely, but on >occasion – with expensive wine as well as the cheaper stuff. Nasty, >isn’t it?
Very. Sharon..who believes in Better Living through Eccentricity
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>From: "Cathy Friedmann" c…@adelphia.net >Date: 1/3/02 10:50 PM Pacific Standard Time >Yeah, it can turn to vinegar. Don’t know about the fizzy bit, though. I >take it, it wasn’t a sparkling wine to _begin_ with? <g>
Safe assumption ;-D. My friend gave us a bottle of Oak Knoll Niagara,and boy,was that ever wonderful compared to the cheap stuff. Sharon..who believes in Better Living through Eccentricity
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I’m trying to remember the name of the cheapo wine all of us poor students tended to drink in college… Boone’s Farm? — Cathy — "Staccato signals of constant information…" ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon Frankenmel <franken…@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20020104015457.24884.00003794@mb-md.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >From: "Cathy Friedmann" c…@adelphia.net > >Date: 1/3/02 10:50 PM Pacific Standard Time > >Yeah, it can turn to vinegar. Don’t know about the fizzy bit, though. I > >take it, it wasn’t a sparkling wine to _begin_ with? <g> > Safe assumption ;-D. My friend gave us a bottle of Oak Knoll Niagara,and > boy,was that ever wonderful compared to the cheap stuff. > Sharon..who believes in Better Living through Eccentricity
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That would be it 
Kathy J ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: Re: OT:wine question >From: "Cathy Friedmann" c…@adelphia.net >Date: 1/4/02 >I’m trying to remember the name of the cheapo wine all of us poor students >tended to drink in college… Boone’s Farm? >– >Cathy
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Cathy Friedmann wrote: > I’m trying to remember the name of the cheapo wine all of us poor students > tended to drink in college… Boone’s Farm?
Ahhhhhh! Evil memory, evil memory! Boone’s Farm apple wine … or its equally vile pink cousin, Strawberry Hill, the wine that taught me just how bad projectile vomiting can be, and permanently put me *off* anything flavored with strawberry (other than actual strawberries). There was a season when all the local hippies were using strawberry *everything*: Wine, incense, candles, body oil, rolling papers, "snuff" (anybody else remember that stuff? Came in pretty little round tins … you snorted it up your nostrils and experienced instant sinus pain… what *were* we thinking???) As fondly as I remember much of the ’60s, there are parts of that counterculture that, in retrospect, are downright embarrassing… –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org
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Pat Kight <kig…@peak.org> wrote in message
news:3C35D687.B7C26796@peak.org… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cathy Friedmann wrote: > > I’m trying to remember the name of the cheapo wine all of us poor students > > tended to drink in college… Boone’s Farm? > Ahhhhhh! Evil memory, evil memory! > Boone’s Farm apple wine … or its equally vile pink cousin, Strawberry > Hill, the wine that taught me just how bad projectile vomiting can be, > and permanently put me *off* anything flavored with strawberry (other > than actual strawberries). > There was a season when all the local hippies were using strawberry > *everything*: Wine, incense, candles, body oil, rolling papers, "snuff" > (anybody else remember that stuff?
Remember it??? Good grief, people still use it all the time, though I don’t see any strawberry. Just the regular Copenhagen and Skoal round tins, and guys with a lipfull, and their horrible spitting. Worst office story: One day a young man of about 20 came into the office to pay his premium. He had obviously just taken a big pinch as he could hardly talk for the amount of crud tucked in his lower lip. He put a paper cup on my own desk right in front of me while he counted out his money–and the cup was obviously his portable spittoon. I could see the dried rivulets of tobacco juice clinging to the sides of the cup. I (none too gracefully) controlled the gorge rising in my throat, gave him his receipt and hurried him (and his cup) on his way. I promised myself that if he ever pulls that again I’ll call his mother and rat on him. >Came in pretty little round tins …
I suppose, though, that you’re referring to much more powdered snuff, rather than the snoose-type that I’ve experienced here….. Marilee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> you snorted it up your nostrils and experienced instant sinus pain… > what *were* we thinking???) > As fondly as I remember much of the ’60s, there are parts of that > counterculture that, in retrospect, are downright embarrassing… > –Pat Kight > kig…@peak.org
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