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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -WhansaMi wrote: > Good grief. I can’t believe I wrote: > > I hope that makes since. > Sheeesh. > >It makes lots of sense! My husband is a psychologist, and he is a big fan of > >the > >MMPI. I didn’t mean to undermine anybody’s faith in its usefulness or > >validity. > I also knew, but forgot, that your husband is a psychologist. I’m sorry. Is > he is private practice? Does he specialize, or is he a generalist? Where are > you? > I, too, think the MMPI can be a great tool in a comprehensive assessment.
No apology necessary! My husband has very special specialty –he diagnoses developmental disabilities in children between 2 and 5. But before that he was just a psychometric maniac –DH will measure anything that CAN be measured, and some things that can’t or shouldn’t. I hope I haven’t told this story a million times: when we were courting, DH gave me all the tests he had lying around (except the intelligence tests, I refuse to take those). I got the TAT, the hand test, the MMPI, the 16PF, the NeoPIR, Meyers- Briggs, and some others I don’t remember. Then, when he had determined that I was, to use his romantic words, "less pathological than he was," he proposed. After we got married, he learned the Rorschach. But my results weren’t meaningful because he was still learning how to administer it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >But can you imagine going through all those questions (there are so MANY) > >with such > >high stakes! I can’t imagine! I imagine it would cause the "situational > >stress" > >indicators 00or whatever they’re called– to elevate every single time. > >When we take tests in our family it’s because DH has a new one and wants to > >practice his technique –so, no pressure. (If we show up pathological it was > >"tester error." That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.) But if I were > >taking > >them in order to have a court-appointed outsider decide whom my child would > >live > >with –Eeeeek! How strange the questions wuold seem, and how frightening! > I’m sure the entire process is daunting for more people, although, I suspect > the MMPI is probably less anxiety-provoking than the Rorschach or the TAT! ;-)
Oh, you’re right. Imagine being with a court-appointed evaluator and answering, "What might this be?" We have a running joke about he ways we will screen BD’s boyfriends. I’ll be taking his fingerprints and a blood sample, while DH is saying, "What might this be?" with the cards. . . . > >Don’t you think? > >That is so cool that you were on the re-norming team. DH will be really > >impressed > >that I "met" you! > He shouldn’t be. :-) Dr. Dahlstrom was my first year faculty advisor at > UNCCH. He was a very nice man, as is (was?) Leona, his wife. I was just one > of the many sources of grad student labor. ;-)
Well, he WAS. What is your practice? > >I hope your sinuses feel better soon. I used to have terrible sinus > >infections, > >and oh, the pain! Have you tried flonase as a prophylactic? Using it I have > >managed to have an entire cold that got better without turning into a sinus > >infection! > I’m suppose to be using… oh, some nasal spray. I’m forgotten which. I’m > terribly non-compliant with medication. I’m every doctor’s curse: I wait till > I fall apart to go see him, and then moan and groan "Fix me!" ;-) > Sheila > >Lisa
Poor you, and poor doc! Still, I hope it gets better. Lisa
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Deborah M Riel wrote: > In article <20030314171220.00576.00000…@mb-bh.aol.com>, > WhansaMi <whans…@aol.com> wrote: > >>>I’m before coffee this morning, and a front must be > >>>moving into our area, because my sinuses are ACHING! > >>Man, my whole FACE hurts and my usualy sinus headache cures are not making a > >>dent. > >>*** > >>~~Geri~~ > >Geri, this morning I could barely turn my head. My whole head/face hurt and my > >joints were achy. I don’t know if it is some viral something, or what, but I > >wish it would GO AWAY. :-( > >Sheila > This is weird–just recently I spent an entire weekend sleeping > because of a sinus headache that left me nonfunctional! They haven’t > been right since then, either. And I don’t think any of us are in the > same part of the country, so it can’t be the weather… > Deb R.
Thre’s a HORRIBLE virus going around, which BD caught back east and brought to our house –and which seems to have made it to California independently. It starts with sinus aching, overall misery, turns into a classic heavy head cold, and then settles in your chest for weeks of coughing. I hope you’re all in good health otherwise, because it’s just awful. BD is still sick and it’s been a month. One of my kids had a teacher who used to swear by raw horseradish when she had sinus trouble. I always thought it sounded too painful to try, but she found it very helpful. Sinus pain makes me understand how people become addicted to opiates. Lisa
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>I’m sure the entire process is daunting for more people, although, I suspect >>the MMPI is probably less anxiety-provoking than the Rorschach or the TAT! >;-) >I was taking an educational psych course in grad school, and the TAT >came up. Just as an exercise, the teacher showed us one of the cards >and had us write what was happening in the picture. It was a person >lying in bed, with a figure sillhouetted in the open door behind him. >Of course, the figures were ambiguous for gender or age or affect. >Well, it came time to share our writing. Everyone had come up with >something along the lines of "Little Timmy is visiting his >grandparents on the farm. His grandma comes to tuck him in. He feels >all warm and loved." I mean *everyone*. Except me. Mine was >something like "Alice heard the door open, and looked to see a figure >in the doorway. Who was it? The figure was motionless. Alice tried >to speak through the rising dread in her throat, but only breathy >sounds emerged." >I still don’t want to know what that meant. >And I was **astonished** at the pink fluffy interpretations of the >others. That image was *clearly* threatening as I perceived it.
That’s what projectives are all about… how you so CLEARLY see something, and cannot fathom how others see something else. And, no. You don’t want to know what your story meant. <<ducking>> JUST KIDDING! Sheila – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Vicki >– >"Washingtonians, however, always drive like old people with trunks >full of babies, and the roads lined with Golden Retreiver puppies." > Rick Tyler muses on the demographics of driving on AFU
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>And, no. You don’t want to know what your story meant.
I want to know what her story meant! *** ~~Geri~~ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/854379/posts (Not in Oscar’s Name) http://www.philhendrieshow.com/boycott.html
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In a previous article, whans…@aol.com (WhansaMi) said: >I’m sure the entire process is daunting for more people, although, I suspect >the MMPI is probably less anxiety-provoking than the Rorschach or the TAT! ;-)
I was taking an educational psych course in grad school, and the TAT came up. Just as an exercise, the teacher showed us one of the cards and had us write what was happening in the picture. It was a person lying in bed, with a figure sillhouetted in the open door behind him. Of course, the figures were ambiguous for gender or age or affect. Well, it came time to share our writing. Everyone had come up with something along the lines of "Little Timmy is visiting his grandparents on the farm. His grandma comes to tuck him in. He feels all warm and loved." I mean *everyone*. Except me. Mine was something like "Alice heard the door open, and looked to see a figure in the doorway. Who was it? The figure was motionless. Alice tried to speak through the rising dread in her throat, but only breathy sounds emerged." I still don’t want to know what that meant. And I was **astonished** at the pink fluffy interpretations of the others. That image was *clearly* threatening as I perceived it. Vicki — "Washingtonians, however, always drive like old people with trunks full of babies, and the roads lined with Golden Retreiver puppies." Rick Tyler muses on the demographics of driving on AFU
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In article <20030314171220.00576.00000…@mb-bh.aol.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -WhansaMi <whans…@aol.com> wrote: >>>I’m before coffee this morning, and a front must be >>>moving into our area, because my sinuses are ACHING! >>Man, my whole FACE hurts and my usualy sinus headache cures are not making a >>dent. >>*** >>~~Geri~~ >Geri, this morning I could barely turn my head. My whole head/face hurt and my >joints were achy. I don’t know if it is some viral something, or what, but I >wish it would GO AWAY. :-( >Sheila
This is weird–just recently I spent an entire weekend sleeping because of a sinus headache that left me nonfunctional! They haven’t been right since then, either. And I don’t think any of us are in the same part of the country, so it can’t be the weather… Deb R.
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Good grief. I can’t believe I wrote: > I hope that makes since.
Sheeesh. >It makes lots of sense! My husband is a psychologist, and he is a big fan of >the >MMPI. I didn’t mean to undermine anybody’s faith in its usefulness or >validity.
I also knew, but forgot, that your husband is a psychologist. I’m sorry. Is he is private practice? Does he specialize, or is he a generalist? Where are you? I, too, think the MMPI can be a great tool in a comprehensive assessment. >But can you imagine going through all those questions (there are so MANY) >with such >high stakes! I can’t imagine! I imagine it would cause the "situational >stress" >indicators 00or whatever they’re called– to elevate every single time. >When we take tests in our family it’s because DH has a new one and wants to >practice his technique –so, no pressure. (If we show up pathological it was >"tester error." That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.) But if I were >taking >them in order to have a court-appointed outsider decide whom my child would >live >with –Eeeeek! How strange the questions wuold seem, and how frightening!
I’m sure the entire process is daunting for more people, although, I suspect the MMPI is probably less anxiety-provoking than the Rorschach or the TAT! ;-) >Don’t you think? >That is so cool that you were on the re-norming team. DH will be really >impressed >that I "met" you!
He shouldn’t be. :-) Dr. Dahlstrom was my first year faculty advisor at UNCCH. He was a very nice man, as is (was?) Leona, his wife. I was just one of the many sources of grad student labor. ;-) >I hope your sinuses feel better soon. I used to have terrible sinus >infections, >and oh, the pain! Have you tried flonase as a prophylactic? Using it I have >managed to have an entire cold that got better without turning into a sinus >infection!
I’m suppose to be using… oh, some nasal spray. I’m forgotten which. I’m terribly non-compliant with medication. I’m every doctor’s curse: I wait till I fall apart to go see him, and then moan and groan "Fix me!" ;-) Sheila – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Lisa
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>>I’m before coffee this morning, and a front must be >>moving into our area, because my sinuses are ACHING! >Man, my whole FACE hurts and my usualy sinus headache cures are not making a >dent. >*** >~~Geri~~
Geri, this morning I could barely turn my head. My whole head/face hurt and my joints were achy. I don’t know if it is some viral something, or what, but I wish it would GO AWAY. :-( Sheila
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>I don’t know if it is some viral something, or what, but I >wish it would GO AWAY. :-(
Even my cocktail of two Advil Sinus and an Aleve have not cut it for me today, and the headache was the kind that makes me feel sick to my stomach. (We had to forgo a parade today because I felt so shitty.) We are supposed to have rain coming in tonight, so that could be contributing, or it could be a period-linked thing (I have noticed them to be worse with this as I get older.) My eyeballs feel like they will splinter if I go in a room with light. Ugh. (I am typing in the dark – I got bored just lying there.) Plus my cat is sick, too. We are miserable together. *** ~~Geri~~ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/854379/posts (Not in Oscar’s Name) http://www.philhendrieshow.com/boycott.html
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It makes lots of sense! My husband is a psychologist, and he is a big fan of the MMPI. I didn’t mean to undermine anybody’s faith in its usefulness or validity. But can you imagine going through all those questions (there are so MANY) with such high stakes! I can’t imagine! I imagine it would cause the "situational stress" indicators 00or whatever they’re called– to elevate every single time. When we take tests in our family it’s because DH has a new one and wants to practice his technique –so, no pressure. (If we show up pathological it was "tester error." That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.) But if I were taking them in order to have a court-appointed outsider decide whom my child would live with –Eeeeek! How strange the questions wuold seem, and how frightening! Don’t you think? That is so cool that you were on the re-norming team. DH will be really impressed that I "met" you! I hope your sinuses feel better soon. I used to have terrible sinus infections, and oh, the pain! Have you tried flonase as a prophylactic? Using it I have managed to have an entire cold that got better without turning into a sinus infection! Lisa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -WhansaMi wrote: > >Oye! The MMPI! "I smell strange odors at times." "I have sinned greatly." > >It > >goes on forever and I can’t imagine answering all those stupid questions with > >a > >child’s well-being at stake. It must be just hellish. Good luck, Geri. > >Is this all an extremely extended 730 evaluation, or have there been more > >than > >one? Or is it some other procedure? > >Lisa > Lisa, there is a purpose to each of the questions on the MMPI, including those > that seem odd or silly. Some of the questions are designed to help identify > people who are either fabricating their symptoms, or, alternatively, being so > defensive that the tool can not be seen as a good indication of what is going > on. > Back in the early 80’s, I worked with Grant Dahlstrom on renorming the MMPI. > Basically, there are 3 "validity scales" (that help the assessor determine if > the profile should even be assessed) and nine "clinical scales", which identify > traits of clinical disorders (such as depression or psychopathy). If they > didn’t include (what can be seemingly silly) questions, they wouldn’t be able > to determine if the result is valid or not. > I hope that makes since. I’m before coffee this morning, and a front must be > moving into our area, because my sinuses are ACHING! > Sheila > >Geri and sometimes Brian wrote: > >> >Ours is technically still active, probably will be until the > >> >end of time. 
> >> > >> We have to go next week and take our MMPI tests. Maybe we will all turn > >out to > >> be crazy. > >> *** > >> ~~Geri~~ > >> http://www.philhendrieshow.com/boycott.html > >> "We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing > >possible > >> causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of > >collaboration > >> and good will. " > >> Neville Chamberlain
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>I’m before coffee this morning, and a front must be >moving into our area, because my sinuses are ACHING!
Man, my whole FACE hurts and my usualy sinus headache cures are not making a dent. *** ~~Geri~~ http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/854379/posts (Not in Oscar’s Name) http://www.philhendrieshow.com/boycott.html
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>Oye! The MMPI! "I smell strange odors at times." "I have sinned greatly." >It >goes on forever and I can’t imagine answering all those stupid questions with >a >child’s well-being at stake. It must be just hellish. Good luck, Geri. >Is this all an extremely extended 730 evaluation, or have there been more >than >one? Or is it some other procedure? >Lisa
Lisa, there is a purpose to each of the questions on the MMPI, including those that seem odd or silly. Some of the questions are designed to help identify people who are either fabricating their symptoms, or, alternatively, being so defensive that the tool can not be seen as a good indication of what is going on. Back in the early 80’s, I worked with Grant Dahlstrom on renorming the MMPI. Basically, there are 3 "validity scales" (that help the assessor determine if the profile should even be assessed) and nine "clinical scales", which identify traits of clinical disorders (such as depression or psychopathy). If they didn’t include (what can be seemingly silly) questions, they wouldn’t be able to determine if the result is valid or not. I hope that makes since. I’m before coffee this morning, and a front must be moving into our area, because my sinuses are ACHING! Sheila – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Geri and sometimes Brian wrote: >> >Ours is technically still active, probably will be until the >> >end of time. >> >> We have to go next week and take our MMPI tests. Maybe we will all turn >out to >> be crazy. >> *** >> ~~Geri~~ >> http://www.philhendrieshow.com/boycott.html >> "We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing >possible >> causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of >collaboration >> and good will. " >> Neville Chamberlain
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>Voluntary. The judge has only talked to SD’s psychologist on his own. In >fact, the doc has told us we can have a hiatus from taking her to therapy >until >the evaluation is over, because he is not sure what else he can do for her >until her living situation is different.
You might want to ask for court ordered therapy as part of this. We have it where SS’s therapist sends a report to the judge and court psych every 6 months. It not only includes things about SS, but how his parents are doing in helping him. Love, Melissa http://ryangiglierano.homestead.com/home.html "Bad Spellers of the world UNTIE!"
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>You might want to ask for court ordered therapy as part of this
We can certainly bring this up with the evaulator. You know, the judge ordered conjoint counseling for Brian and BM for six sessions *three* years ago. Brian has been trying to get BM to go, and they have managed to get to two sessions and then BM started cancelling them or having other plans, etc. I think something about having things court ordered, unless it is something that BM wants, causes her to try to get out of it. I would not want that to happen with SD’s counseling. *** ~~Geri~~ http://www.philhendrieshow.com/boycott.html "We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will. " Neville Chamberlain
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>We can certainly bring this up with the evaulator. >You know, the judge ordered conjoint counseling for Brian and BM for six >sessions *three* years ago. Brian has been trying to get BM to go, and they >have managed to get to two sessions and then BM started cancelling them or >having other plans, etc. I think something about having things court >ordered, >unless it is something that BM wants, causes her to try to get out of it. I >would not want that to happen with SD’s counseling.
See our judge made it clear to BM that there was a zero tolerence policy as far as the evaluation and therapy were concerned. It was made clear that any attempt to get out of therapy would be viewed as having something to hide. But it’s a different situaiton since BM had been trying to hide things from CPS for over a year. Love, Melissa http://ryangiglierano.homestead.com/home.html "Bad Spellers of the world UNTIE!"
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Oye! The MMPI! "I smell strange odors at times." "I have sinned greatly." It goes on forever and I can’t imagine answering all those stupid questions with a child’s well-being at stake. It must be just hellish. Good luck, Geri. Is this all an extremely extended 730 evaluation, or have there been more than one? Or is it some other procedure? Lisa Geri and sometimes Brian wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Ours is technically still active, probably will be until the > >end of time. > > We have to go next week and take our MMPI tests. Maybe we will all turn out to > be crazy. > *** > ~~Geri~~ > http://www.philhendrieshow.com/boycott.html > "We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing possible > causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration > and good will. " > Neville Chamberlain
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>Is SD’s therapy currently court ordered, or voluntary? Does the psych make >regular reports to the judge?
Voluntary. The judge has only talked to SD’s psychologist on his own. In fact, the doc has told us we can have a hiatus from taking her to therapy until the evaluation is over, because he is not sure what else he can do for her until her living situation is different. *** ~~Geri~~ http://www.philhendrieshow.com/boycott.html "We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will. " Neville Chamberlain
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>Yesterday we had another appointment with the court evaluator, both Brian and >me and SD. The evaluator really didn’t talk to us much, but what he had each >of us do was play with this wooden dollhouse, with a bunch of furniture, with >SD. There were little dolls, but they were not like role-playing dolls, as >they >were all girls. It was very bizarre. I felt very self-conscious, actually, >and so did Brian. The dollhouse was not the kind of playing we normally do >with SD, really, and kind of young, even for her. Anyway, any ideas what he >might have been looking for? >*** >~~Geri~~
He was looking to see how you interacted with SD. BM will probably have to do the same thing. He was probably more interested in the way you relate to her than the actual toys, how you played rather than what you played with. SO and BM both had to do this during SS’s evaluation. The court psych watched in another room with one of those one way mirror things. It came up in the evaluation with the court psych talking about how BM wasn’t interacting with SS in a manner that was appropriate for his age. Love, Melissa http://ryangiglierano.homestead.com/home.html "Bad Spellers of the world UNTIE!"
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>Maybe to see how directive you are, or if you let her lead, what your >reactions look like when she does take the lead, how open she is to >trying new things when you’re with her…
I felt like I was being graded. I picked out pieces of furniture and handed them to SD and asked her where she wanted to put them. I kind of followed her lead with this, because is very perfectionistic about things. I showed her the toy vanity and told her that this was what I had been explaining to her the other day, (we had been talking about a vanity for her room) where it is like a desk with a mirror that you can put all of your lotions and potions on and sit in front of. There were a couple of pieces broken off the house and we decided what we could do with them. I put one of the dolls in the bath tub and she laughed and took it out and started singing, "Singing in the bathtub …", and we both laughed. Things like that. I hope I passed the test! *** ~~Geri~~ http://www.philhendrieshow.com/boycott.html "We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will. " Neville Chamberlain
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>Ours is technically still active, probably will be until the >end of time.
We have to go next week and take our MMPI tests. Maybe we will all turn out to be crazy. *** ~~Geri~~ http://www.philhendrieshow.com/boycott.html "We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will. " Neville Chamberlain
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>We have to go next week and take our MMPI tests. Maybe we will all turn out >to >be crazy. >*** >~~Geri~~
Is SD’s therapy currently court ordered, or voluntary? Does the psych make regular reports to the judge? Love, Melissa http://ryangiglierano.homestead.com/home.html "Bad Spellers of the world UNTIE!"
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>SO and BM both had to do this during SS’s evaluation. The court psych >watched >in another room with one of those one way mirror things. It came up in the >evaluation with the court psych talking about how BM wasn’t interacting with >SS >in a manner that was appropriate for his age.
Interesting! I wish we could have done it with the one-way mirror rather than the guy sitting right there. This whole process is very stressful. *** ~~Geri~~ http://www.philhendrieshow.com/boycott.html "We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will. " Neville Chamberlain
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>This whole process is very stressful.
Tell me about it. Ours is technically still active, probably will be until the end of time. Love, Melissa http://ryangiglierano.homestead.com/home.html "Bad Spellers of the world UNTIE!"
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Yesterday we had another appointment with the court evaluator, both Brian and me and SD. The evaluator really didn’t talk to us much, but what he had each of us do was play with this wooden dollhouse, with a bunch of furniture, with SD. There were little dolls, but they were not like role-playing dolls, as they were all girls. It was very bizarre. I felt very self-conscious, actually, and so did Brian. The dollhouse was not the kind of playing we normally do with SD, really, and kind of young, even for her. Anyway, any ideas what he might have been looking for? *** ~~Geri~~ http://www.philhendrieshow.com/boycott.html "We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analyzing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will. " Neville Chamberlain
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In a previous article, gplen…@aol.commotion (Geri and sometimes Brian) said: >Yesterday we had another appointment with the court evaluator, both Brian and >me and SD. The evaluator really didn’t talk to us much, but what he had each >of us do was play with this wooden dollhouse, with a bunch of furniture, with >SD. There were little dolls, but they were not like role-playing dolls, as they >were all girls. It was very bizarre. I felt very self-conscious, actually, >and so did Brian. The dollhouse was not the kind of playing we normally do >with SD, really, and kind of young, even for her. Anyway, any ideas what he >might have been looking for?
Maybe to see how directive you are, or if you let her lead, what your reactions look like when she does take the lead, how open she is to trying new things when you’re with her… Just shots in the dark, though. Vicki — "Washingtonians, however, always drive like old people with trunks full of babies, and the roads lined with Golden Retreiver puppies." Rick Tyler muses on the demographics of driving on AFU
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