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can you have infection with dry nasal passages, no fluid or discharge?

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i’m suffering from a condition of extremely dry nasal passages. bone dry and very swollen. but absolutely no mucus secretions – no draining, discharge at all. i would actually welcome and love to have some. so, all along here i’ve been thinking that there is no ‘infection’ involved because i associate ‘infection’ with yellow/brown discharge and drainage and i’ve got none of that. there is pain at the very top of my nose right between the eyes, if i touch the bone at the top of my nose i can tell it hurts a bit to touch – very slight pain at the touch, but still noticeable. i have the most unpleasant sensation across my entire forehead and temples. the whole area feels tight and if i focus on that i can also notice that the tightness and unpleasant sensation also radiates around and under my right eye. if i pinch my nostrils together, they stick shut together because the tissue is so dry it acts like velco – ha, ha ;-) god, i wish it was funny, but it is making me so miserable that i’m extremely dysfunctional. now, i’m beginning to wonder. can an ‘infection’ cause or be a result of or a contributing factor to very dry nasal passages? iJah

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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:43:31 GMT, iJah <iJahSpamSu…@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >i’m suffering from a condition of extremely dry nasal passages. >bone dry and very swollen. but absolutely no mucus secretions – no >draining, discharge at all. i would actually welcome and love to have >some.

You’re not taking antihistamines are you? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->so, all along here i’ve been thinking that there is no ‘infection’ >involved because i associate ‘infection’ with yellow/brown discharge >and drainage and i’ve got none of that. >there is pain at the very top of my nose right between the eyes, if i >touch the bone at the top of my nose i can tell it hurts a bit to >touch – very slight pain at the touch, but still noticeable. >i have the most unpleasant sensation across my entire forehead and >temples. the whole area feels tight and if i focus on that i can also >notice that the tightness and unpleasant sensation also radiates >around and under my right eye. >if i pinch my nostrils together, they stick shut together because the >tissue is so dry it acts like velco – ha, ha ;-) god, i wish it was >funny, but it is making me so miserable that i’m extremely >dysfunctional. >now, i’m beginning to wonder. can an ‘infection’ cause or be a result >of or a contributing factor to very dry nasal passages?

A CT Scan would tell a lot but hopefully Dr. Groassn and others will comment…….

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Hi: I have almost exactly the same symptoms — Not quite as "Dry", but everything else the same. Is there any treatment for this? Using the grossman irragator does not seem to help. Thanks!!! Andrew

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Even with irrigation you are finding your nasal passages are dry? Now that is odd. It seems to keep mine clear of mucous plus the right PH so they are neither too wet/dry. Hmmm. I am stumped. Are you using a medication that can cause dryness? The normal sinus secrets quarts of mucous a day that just drains down your throat naturally so this is interesting. I agree with the CT Scan post…maybe that will determine what is going on? Trudy.

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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 22:30:05 -0400, "iamthezookeeper" <izmi…@aol.com> wrote: >Even with irrigation you are finding your nasal passages are dry? Now that >is odd. It seems to keep mine clear of mucous plus the right PH so they >are neither too wet/dry. Hmmm. I am stumped. Are you using a medication >that can cause dryness? The normal sinus secrets quarts of mucous a day >that just drains down your throat naturally so this is interesting. I >agree with the CT Scan post…maybe that will determine what is going on? >Trudy.

Thanks Trudy. What CT Scan post are you referring to? I haven’t seen it? Can you tell me what thread topic it is under? iJah

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The one in this thread by Don Brady…he suggested a CT Scan or advice from others here. Can you breath freely through your nose if it is dry? I guess I relate mucous build up to stuffy nose. I keep forgetting which posts I have read or answered so bear with me…are you seeing an ENT right now? Trudy.

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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:43:31 GMT, iJah <iJahSpamSu…@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>i’m suffering from a condition of extremely dry nasal passages. >>bone dry and very swollen. but absolutely no mucus secretions – no >>draining, discharge at all. i would actually welcome and love to have >>some.

On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:39:14 -0400, Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote: >You’re not taking antihistamines are you?

Don – thanks for the response – no, not taking antihistamines now. I was using a spray called Astelin until a few days ago. I think that was sort of like an antihistamine and I dropped it because I wondered if it might be contributing to the dryness. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -iJah wrote: >>so, all along here i’ve been thinking that there is no ‘infection’ >>involved because i associate ‘infection’ with yellow/brown discharge >>and drainage and i’ve got none of that. >>there is pain at the very top of my nose right between the eyes, if i >>touch the bone at the top of my nose i can tell it hurts a bit to >>touch – very slight pain at the touch, but still noticeable. >>i have the most unpleasant sensation across my entire forehead and >>temples. the whole area feels tight and if i focus on that i can also >>notice that the tightness and unpleasant sensation also radiates >>around and under my right eye. >>if i pinch my nostrils together, they stick shut together because the >>tissue is so dry it acts like velco – ha, ha ;-) god, i wish it was >>funny, but it is making me so miserable that i’m extremely >>dysfunctional. >>now, i’m beginning to wonder. can an ‘infection’ cause or be a result >>of or a contributing factor to very dry nasal passages? Don Brady wrote: >A CT Scan would tell a lot but hopefully Dr. Groassn and others will >comment…….

had a CT scan back in February of this year. it did not show any infection. sinus cavities ‘looked clear’ is what they said. went to a new ENT today. he said he doesn’t believe there is infection involved and doesn’t think a CT scan is warranted again, at this point. he gave me a one week course of prednisone and a script to Rhinocort Aqua and admonished me to cut down on smoking – I know, I know – smoking bad, very bad. That’s going to be my new focus in life. Cutting down/quitting smoking. he said mucous membranes in the nose get damaged by smoke and that thankfully cutting back significantly or stopping will most certainly stop the damage from worsening and will likely allow for a reversal of damage already done. i’m afraid my nasal linings are pretty well fried. i’m ashamed, pissed and embarrased that i may have and probably did cause this. what a terrible addiction. i’m looking for help today on getting the smoking habit under control. iJah

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Me too. dry nasal passages. I am going to stop the Claritin for a few days and see if this helps. This is the first time I have had dry nasal passages. The saline rinses have not helped. I thought moisture would give me some relief. shirley

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My nasal passages for breathing are clear but I still have dry passages. Someone here said to stop taking the Claritin to see if that would help. That is what I will do today for a few days. shirley

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On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:47:09 -0400, thebagladyshirley…@webtv.net (Shirley Thebaglady) wrote: >My nasal passages for breathing are clear but I still have dry passages. >Someone here said to stop taking the Claritin to see if that would help. >That is what I will do today for a few days.

Antihistamines do indeed dry you out….

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"iamthezookeeper" <izmi…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:947d428bc2ff9f968bc621db7425dce9@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com… > Even with irrigation you are finding your nasal passages are dry? Now that > is odd. It seems to keep mine clear of mucous plus the right PH so they > are neither too wet/dry. Hmmm. I am stumped. Are you using a medication > that can cause dryness? The normal sinus secrets quarts of mucous a day > that just drains down your throat naturally so this is interesting. I > agree with the CT Scan post…maybe that will determine what is going on? > Trudy.

Hello again Trudy I don’t think that it is possible to irrigate your sinuses with saline. It is possible to irrigate your nasal passages to remove crusty stuff etc, to allow proper drainage of the sinuses. iJah might get some relief by persevering with nasal irrigation , to allow the above, but if polyps are the cause, steroid sprays or surgery might be required.  As Don said, "A CT Scan would tell a lot " David.

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I'm Heading to Mayo Clinic

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On 3 Sep 2004 08:50:50 -0700, dbal…@yahoo.com (dball63) wrote: >> Can’t you get insurance coverage? >Wow. I’m trying to get my Allergist to get a referal for me. Its very >tough with an HMO to get refered when there are ENT’s already in your >plan. The trick is trying to convice them that Mayo is offering >something that is not available with doctors in their plan. I really >do not want to spend that much but if were to cure me…….then maybe >I could swallow it. Its going to cost me 1000.00 just for airfair.

Mayo’s Insurance Departemnt  may be able to help if you have not tried that ye. They have execellent relationships with every Insurer in the country.   Many HMO’s send people there….

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> Watch out on costs then.   > I think my bill was around $7000 just for tests when I went to Mayo for > sinusitis and some other problems 10 years ago. > Can’t you get insurance coverage?

Wow. I’m trying to get my Allergist to get a referal for me. Its very tough with an HMO to get refered when there are ENT’s already in your plan. The trick is trying to convice them that Mayo is offering something that is not available with doctors in their plan. I really do not want to spend that much but if were to cure me…….then maybe I could swallow it. Its going to cost me 1000.00 just for airfair. David Ball

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On 2 Sep 2004 11:21:50 -0700, dbal…@yahoo.com (dball63) wrote: >> I agree.  From my experiences at Mayo, they presume nothing, but go where >> the evidence leads… >I hope that they don’t have to do too much more testing than what I >will be bringing with my medical records. I’m paying for this out of >my pocket so far.

Watch out on costs then.   I think my bill was around $7000 just for tests when I went to Mayo for sinusitis and some other problems 10 years ago. Can’t you get insurance coverage?

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On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 01:33:34 GMT, "ARoberts" <a-rober…@comcast.net> wrote: >If you bring records that are current and on point, they will use them, but >be prepared for them to look more deeply and to do more diagnostic testing >than you’ve had.  After all, that’s why people go there–to have more >exhaustive evaluation than they have been able to get locally.  They are >quite thorough.

Yes as a matter of fact I think that is Mayo’s greatest strength – *diagnosis* of difficult conditions. They tend to run far more tests than other places, and also to look more broadly for causes.  They will look into possibilties like infectious diseases, anemia, and nutrition that noone else will…..

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It is called daily care of our sinus. My MD advised me to use the saline nasal rinse daily, as I was always there with sinus, inner ear and upper respiratory infections. Somedays I get those sinus headaches and ringing, thumping in my right ear. I know then to use the saline rinse morning and night before sleeping. I sleep with my head on a wedge pillow. shirley

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> I agree.  From my experiences at Mayo, they presume nothing, but go where > the evidence leads…

I hope that they don’t have to do too much more testing than what I will be bringing with my medical records. I’m paying for this out of my pocket so far. DBall Sacramento, CA

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"dball63" <dbal…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:de6090f3.0409021021.5d6b9b30@posting.google.com… > > I agree.  From my experiences at Mayo, they presume nothing, but go where > > the evidence leads… > I hope that they don’t have to do too much more testing than what I > will be bringing with my medical records. I’m paying for this out of > my pocket so far. > DBall > Sacramento, CA

If you bring records that are current and on point, they will use them, but be prepared for them to look more deeply and to do more diagnostic testing than you’ve had.  After all, that’s why people go there–to have more exhaustive evaluation than they have been able to get locally.  They are quite thorough.

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On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:59:01 GMT, "Steven D. Litvintchouk" <sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote: >As you know, Mayo pioneered the theory of allergic fungal sinusitis. >I’m curious as to whether they’ll automatically assume that must be the >problem with your sinuses–or whether they will continue to consider >alternative diagnoses as well.

Me too.   I suspect the latter – their educational web site does not even mention the fungal theory…..

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"Don Brady" <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message

news:6tjcj0lu1e8oktmmthompt9mf3usolivol@4ax.com… > On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:59:01 GMT, "Steven D. Litvintchouk" > <sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote: > >As you know, Mayo pioneered the theory of allergic fungal sinusitis. > >I’m curious as to whether they’ll automatically assume that must be the > >problem with your sinuses–or whether they will continue to consider > >alternative diagnoses as well. > Me too.   I suspect the latter – their educational web site does not even > mention the fungal theory…..

I agree.  From my experiences at Mayo, they presume nothing, but go where the evidence leads…

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dball63 wrote: > I finally made an appointment to see Dr. Freedman at the Mayo Clinic > next month. Its probably going to cost me well over 1500.00 but I’ve > had it. I hate having my sinuses dictate my days and if they can help, > 1500.00 is well worth it to me. I’ll post my experiences after I get > back.

Good luck! As you know, Mayo pioneered the theory of allergic fungal sinusitis. I’m curious as to whether they’ll automatically assume that must be the problem with your sinuses–or whether they will continue to consider alternative diagnoses as well. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email:  sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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iamthezookeeper wrote: > Psychotron: Thank you for that post. I thought I was the only one that had > it really bad with polyp disease. I have had five surgeries so far because > of a mucocele that eroded my orbit floor. I was told the same thing about > infection, that I was about 1/2 away from a major brain infection. Surgery > saved my life. I still have to have my socket repaired. Where did you go > for this and were you 100% happy with the results? Trudy.

Oh yeah…  I very happy with the results but a year has passed and some polyps are returning.  No fault of the surgery though. I’m investigating acetic acid right now.  I know a lady who claims her ENT has prescribed it for her and now she has no polyps.  She has offered to put our ENT’s in touch.  I’m going to do it soon.

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iamthezookeeper wrote: > Psychotron: Thank you for that post. I thought I was the only one that had > it really bad with polyp disease. I have had five surgeries so far because > of a mucocele that eroded my orbit floor. I was told the same thing about > infection, that I was about 1/2 away from a major brain infection. Surgery > saved my life. I still have to have my socket repaired. Where did you go > for this and were you 100% happy with the results? Trudy.

I went to an ENT in Port Huron Michigan.  About an hour north of Detroit.

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Good luck and let us know how it goes. They are the only ENT place right now that supports candida being a cause of sinusitis so this will be interesting to hear what they have to say and the treatments they recommend. I asked my ENT yesterday (Dr. Terrell at U of M) if they all use different treatments. He said they each have their own way of doing things. He is the first ENT to offer me antibiotic nasal irrigation in 23 years!! He also talked about ASA desensitization which my other ENT’s never discussed. It might take a while to find the right person for you, don’t give up. As for the nasal irrigation with Saline, Baking Soda, and Peroxide…he said NEVER put any peroxide solution into your sinus as it EATS soft tissue. Yet other ENT’s say it is okay. Who really knows? Trudy.

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Psychotron: Thank you for that post. I thought I was the only one that had it really bad with polyp disease. I have had five surgeries so far because of a mucocele that eroded my orbit floor. I was told the same thing about infection, that I was about 1/2 away from a major brain infection. Surgery saved my life. I still have to have my socket repaired. Where did you go for this and were you 100% happy with the results? Trudy.

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Actually I have tried it a few times both upside down and right side up. So far this has not helped me in any way. It only aggrevated my problems with more extreme amounts of moucus day and night. As well each time I tried the updside down irrigation, I was unable to sleep at night due to stuffiness and irritated sinuses from the irrigations. If I thought the irrigations were helping at all I would continue but so far nothing has been the magic bullet that helps my suffering. I’m tired of waiting for someone to help me. Its been five years and I just keep bouncing back and forth from ENT to Allergy back to ENT and so on with no relief in symptoms yet and no improvement in my lifestyle. I hate living like a hermet. I want my life back. I’m tired of being so secretive. My self image has gotten so bad these last few years I really feel like a differnt person all together. I’m sure some of you know what I mean. Its also for piece-of-mind. I no longer wait for things to happen regarding my health. I take action where I need to and never treat any doctors opinion as final anymore. Take Care and thanks for your post. Wild Bill 2 <post…@REMOVEcomcast.net> wrote in message <news:3ke9j09ppg6m0s01q78pa61t0g2ddsa53v@4ax.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m very curious if you have used the "upsidedown flushing of sinuses > with hydrogen peroxide/baking soda/sea salt" as posted here several > times in detail and has a web site about this procedure at: > http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765 > I have used this procedure many times (I use the rightside up > procedure because my problem isn’t as severe as the original poster) > and it works wonderfully for me. > Seems to me that before you spend $1,500.00 at Mayo Clinic you might > at least try this method or are you just looking for the ‘magic > bullet’ that will heal all in just a few minutes with a couple of > pills. > Little surprise for you. There is no ‘magic bullet’ and whatever they > do for you at Mayo Clinic I doubt serious that it is going to work > easily and quickly without some effort on your part. I also bet you > they will want to do surgery on you and I have never seen anyone who > had surgery done on them say they are much better off in the long run. > Just my two cents worth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > On 31 Aug 2004 09:46:24 -0700, dbal…@yahoo.com (dball63) wrote: > >I finally made an appointment to see Dr. Freedman at the Mayo Clinic > >next month. Its probably going to cost me well over 1500.00 but I’ve > >had it. I hate having my sinuses dictate my days and if they can help, > >1500.00 is well worth it to me. I’ll post my experiences after I get > >back. > Wild Bill 2, Marietta, Ga. (^_-) > email: poston8 [at] comcast [.] net

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I’m very curious if you have used the "upsidedown flushing of sinuses with hydrogen peroxide/baking soda/sea salt" as posted here several times in detail and has a web site about this procedure at: http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765 I have used this procedure many times (I use the rightside up procedure because my problem isn’t as severe as the original poster) and it works wonderfully for me. Seems to me that before you spend $1,500.00 at Mayo Clinic you might at least try this method or are you just looking for the ‘magic bullet’ that will heal all in just a few minutes with a couple of pills. Little surprise for you. There is no ‘magic bullet’ and whatever they do for you at Mayo Clinic I doubt serious that it is going to work easily and quickly without some effort on your part. I also bet you they will want to do surgery on you and I have never seen anyone who had surgery done on them say they are much better off in the long run. Just my two cents worth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On 31 Aug 2004 09:46:24 -0700, dbal…@yahoo.com (dball63) wrote: >I finally made an appointment to see Dr. Freedman at the Mayo Clinic >next month. Its probably going to cost me well over 1500.00 but I’ve >had it. I hate having my sinuses dictate my days and if they can help, >1500.00 is well worth it to me. I’ll post my experiences after I get >back.

Wild Bill 2, Marietta, Ga. (^_-) email: poston8 [at] comcast [.] net

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wild Bill 2 wrote: > I’m very curious if you have used the "upsidedown flushing of sinuses > with hydrogen peroxide/baking soda/sea salt" as posted here several > times in detail and has a web site about this procedure at: > http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765 > I have used this procedure many times (I use the rightside up > procedure because my problem isn’t as severe as the original poster) > and it works wonderfully for me. > Seems to me that before you spend $1,500.00 at Mayo Clinic you might > at least try this method or are you just looking for the ‘magic > bullet’ that will heal all in just a few minutes with a couple of > pills. > Little surprise for you. There is no ‘magic bullet’ and whatever they > do for you at Mayo Clinic I doubt serious that it is going to work > easily and quickly without some effort on your part. I also bet you > they will want to do surgery on you and I have never seen anyone who > had surgery done on them say they are much better off in the long run. > Just my two cents worth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surgery made my life many, many times better.  I had polyps about 1/4" from coming out my nose.  I was 100% blocked all day and night.  Fluid drained out my nostril at night, down my face and into my ear.  Every night!  After surgery my ENT told me that the polyps had eaten through the bone around my eye and was working on puncturing my skull in my ethmoid sinus.  He had to do bone grafts around my eye socket. Once punctured the infection would probably have spread to my brain. Not good.  I waited too long.  Surgery is a must in many cases.

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I finally made an appointment to see Dr. Freedman at the Mayo Clinic next month. Its probably going to cost me well over 1500.00 but I’ve had it. I hate having my sinuses dictate my days and if they can help, 1500.00 is well worth it to me. I’ll post my experiences after I get back.

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:32:35 GMT, Leonard & Peggy Brown wrote: >My nose has always been stuffy and it seems to take a lot of work to exhale >back into the mask with the pressure set at 15… real work.   Does this >sound correct?

At first, yes. Then, given my experience: you’ll get used to it and think there’s something wrong with "normal" breathing. >The thing that really got me up last night was the total inability to inhale >though my nose after a few hours.  I don’t know how long I used the mask but >I had to give up sometime during the night… just total stoppage.  Again, >does this ring true?

I must have a head that favors CPAP in that when I turn it on it unstops my nose… most of the time, even with a cold. YMMV.

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Does your CPAP have a RAMP feature? If so, try it. The 15cm will not happen for a few minutes. By this time you will be accustomed to the pressure. The inability to inhale may well be something else. Do you have a humidifier? As pressure increases, the need for humidification increases. At 15cm (I am at 18), you should have a heated humidifier which you run at a fairly high setting (just lower than ‘rainout’ – condensation inside the mask/pillows) regards, eric pearson nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:32:35 GMT, "Leonard & Peggy Brown" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<waldh…@netscorp.net> wrote: >Hello, >  I am new, new,new to the world of CPAP having used it for one night.  Mine >is cranked up to 15 and I am wondering about exhaling. >My nose has always been stuffy and it seems to take a lot of work to exhale >back into the mask with the pressure set at 15… real work.   Does this >sound correct? >The thing that really got me up last night was the total inability to inhale >though my nose after a few hours.  I don’t know how long I used the mask but >I had to give up sometime during the night… just total stoppage.  Again, >does this ring true? >Regards, >LB, South Texas

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Ditto on the ‘unstop’. I have an APAP which usually runs at about 15cm. When I am congested it runs at about 16-17cm and *really* keeps the pipes open. regards, eric pearson nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 04:46:39 GMT, Charlie Perrin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<c.l.perrin@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> wrote: >On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:32:35 GMT, Leonard & Peggy Brown wrote: >>My nose has always been stuffy and it seems to take a lot of work to exhale >>back into the mask with the pressure set at 15… real work.   Does this >>sound correct? >At first, yes. Then, given my experience: you’ll get used to it and >think there’s something wrong with "normal" breathing. >>The thing that really got me up last night was the total inability to inhale >>though my nose after a few hours.  I don’t know how long I used the mask but >>I had to give up sometime during the night… just total stoppage.  Again, >>does this ring true? >I must have a head that favors CPAP in that when I turn it on it >unstops my nose… most of the time, even with a cold. >YMMV.

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:26:02 GMT, Still Lurking <n…@invalid.com> wrote: >Be VERY careful with Afrin. It habituates very quickly, and long term >use can cause irreversible nasal tissue damage.

Well yes, which is why you read the directions and warnings on the bottle, and actually listen.  And it’s also why I put it as the last resort.  Usually the Neti pot is enough to keep my head clear. -Todd Todd Palino   Website:     http://bonkoif.com/   Public Key:  http://bonkoif.com/publickey.txt Your excuse is: Route flapping at the NAP. SpamBlock in place.  Get rid of the "foobar" before you email me.

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"Still Lurking" <n…@invalid.com> wrote in message

news:6rPMc.15483$Qu5.13307@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive: yes > Todd Palino wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:26:02 GMT, Still Lurking <n…@invalid.com> > > wrote: > >>Be VERY careful with Afrin. It habituates very quickly, and long term > >>use can cause irreversible nasal tissue damage. > > Well yes, which is why you read the directions and warnings on the > > bottle, and actually listen.  And it’s also why I put it as the last > > resort.  Usually the Neti pot is enough to keep my head clear. > > -Todd > Unfortunately, not everyone reads and heeds the warning on the package. > My ENT showed me an endoscopic video he had taken of several people that > had abused Afrin. The damage wasn’t pretty …. or repairable. > For someone with chronic nasal congestion BEFORE CPAP treatment (and now > with CPAP) like the O.P., Afrin is not a good drug to get involved with. > He needs to be diagnosed and treated by a competent ENT.

If I use Afirn (and it is a rare day that I will), I will use it once, for one night, and make sure that I don’t use it again that week.  I’m probably overly cautious, but I have enough problems thankyouverymuch.

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Hello,   I am new, new,new to the world of CPAP having used it for one night.  Mine is cranked up to 15 and I am wondering about exhaling. My nose has always been stuffy and it seems to take a lot of work to exhale back into the mask with the pressure set at 15… real work.   Does this sound correct? The thing that really got me up last night was the total inability to inhale though my nose after a few hours.  I don’t know how long I used the mask but I had to give up sometime during the night… just total stoppage.  Again, does this ring true? Regards, LB, South Texas

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:32:35 GMT, "Leonard & Peggy Brown" <waldh…@netscorp.net> wrote: >My nose has always been stuffy and it seems to take a lot of work to exhale >back into the mask with the pressure set at 15… real work.   Does this >sound correct?

My pressure is a lot lower (6), but I used to have the same issues with my nose.  What seemed to fix it for me was a septoplasty (as I had a deviated septum).  Have you seen an ENT and checked for any nasal problems like that, or is it just the way you are? >The thing that really got me up last night was the total inability to inhale >though my nose after a few hours.  I don’t know how long I used the mask but >I had to give up sometime during the night… just total stoppage.  Again, >does this ring true?

If it’s a chronic problem, there’s always the option of a full face mask.  Some things that I find help me with periodic stuffiness: 1) I use a Neti pot (nasal irrigation) at least every other night before going to bed.  This helps to clean anything out and the saline solution is a natural decongestant.  Of course, if you’re completely blocked, you’re not going to be able to do this. 2) If the stuffiness is due to allergies, something like Flonase might help.  Nasonex is another one I’ve used in the past to reduce the stuffiness 3) Last night I was still just a little stuffy when I went to bed.  A quick shot of 12 hour Afrin took care of that. -Todd Todd Palino   Website:     http://bonkoif.com/   Public Key:  http://bonkoif.com/publickey.txt Your excuse is: Route flapping at the NAP. SpamBlock in place.  Get rid of the "foobar" before you email me.

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"Leonard & Peggy Brown" <waldh…@netscorp.net> wrote in message news:T4EMc.833$bA6.457352@newshog.newsread.com… > My nose has always been stuffy and it seems to take a lot of work to exhale > back into the mask with the pressure set at 15… real work.   Does this > sound correct?

When I first started, it felt like "real work" for me as well, and not only is my nose clear, but my pressure is less than yours – 11. This quickly went away though, and now, I hardly even know that there’s any pressure at all.  In fact, the difference between how it started to feel at home, and how it felt the very first time at the hospital (having my first study with the CPAP machine) was so great, that I simply didn’t trust that I was receiving the right pressure, and I *had* to measure it, at home, with a manometer, just to satisfy my concern. There was no problem with the pressure. (it was a bit below prescription, but that’s not the issue – I bumped it back up to prescription and it still felt the same).  Despite the fact you have a stuffy nose, you may find that it gets easier with time – my physician said that it is normal for it to get easier with time, and one reason for that is that the muscles do build some strength after a while. For what it’s worth , I just tried 15, and it still feels ok to me – I still don’t feel like I have to expend any real effort to exhale. One thing I learnt to do very quickly was just to relax. Don’t focus on exhaling – just let your lungs do it naturally.  I actually *prefer* having the pressure now – I find it makes breathing easier, not harder. Everyone’s different but I thought I’d share my own experience. Your mileage may vary, of course. Another thing I noticed was that the pressure always seemed to feel less when I woke up, to how it felt when I first put it on at night, when going to bed.  Again, by actually measuring the pressure in the morning (with the mask still on, and without turning the unit off before taking the measurement), I was able to satisfy myself that the pressure had not changed at all. Greg.

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nasal irrigation questions

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I have had sinus congestion most of my life, and have recently begun to irrigate, as I have found this very helpful, more helpful than drugs or sprays. I currently use a bulb syringe and find this does the job, but would like to hear what works best for others out there. Any and all advice appreciated. thanks – s

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My doctor recommended the nasal irrigation due to problems with nasal congestion.  The recipe I follow is 2-3 heaping tsp of kosher salt, 1 heaping tsp of baking soda and a quart of water. All I want to know is what types of devises do you’ll prefer to use when irrigating?  I find using the bulb syringe a pain.

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stefani wrote: > My doctor recommended the nasal irrigation due to problems with nasal > congestion.  The recipe I follow is 2-3 heaping tsp of kosher salt, 1 > heaping tsp of baking soda and a quart of water. > All I want to know is what types of devises do you’ll prefer to use > when irrigating?  I find using the bulb syringe a pain.

Here’s what I use: http://www.neilmed.com/ They are cheap and work very good.  Just buy the bottle for $3.99 and continue to use your mixture.

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Alkazol?

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My doctor mentioned the name of a liquid solution that mixes with water for use in nasal irrigation. I thought he said Alkazol, but I’ve found not mention of it online. Any ideas what he might have meant? Thanks.

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It’s alkalol and you can get it at several on-line sites plus most drug stores can order it for you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -rrsaf…@yahoo.com (rrsafety) wrote: >My doctor mentioned the name of a liquid solution that mixes with >water for use in nasal irrigation. I thought he said Alkazol, but I’ve >found not mention of it online. Any ideas what he might have meant? >Thanks.

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On 4 May 2004 09:07:19 -0700, rrsaf…@yahoo.com (rrsafety) wrote: >My doctor mentioned the name of a liquid solution that mixes with >water for use in nasal irrigation. I thought he said Alkazol, but I’ve >found not mention of it online. Any ideas what he might have meant? >Thanks.

Yes, good stuff – very soothing, refreshing, helps dissolve/thin mucus. Product name is actually spelled ALKALOL Manufactured by: The Alkalol Company Taunton, Mass 02780-0952 Many, maybe most pharmacies can order it for you. Very inexpensive – about $3.00 a pint.

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Its called Alkalol and is a nice product. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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Its in many mom and pop drugstores but not many big chains.  I did find it in an sav-on however, it was in the mouthwash section right next to Liserine and toothpastes.  Even though its for the nose it says gargle on bottle too. Here is a place you can buy online and what the bottle looks like http://www.medichest.com/alkalolliquid16oz.html Ed On Thu, 06 May 2004 14:33:38 GMT, iJah <iJahSpamSu…@sbcglobal.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->On 4 May 2004 09:07:19 -0700, rrsaf…@yahoo.com (rrsafety) wrote: >>My doctor mentioned the name of a liquid solution that mixes with >>water for use in nasal irrigation. I thought he said Alkazol, but I’ve >>found not mention of it online. Any ideas what he might have meant? >>Thanks. >Yes, good stuff – very soothing, refreshing, helps dissolve/thin >mucus. >Product name is actually spelled ALKALOL >Manufactured by: >The Alkalol Company >Taunton, Mass 02780-0952 >Many, maybe most pharmacies can order it for you. Very inexpensive – >about $3.00 a pint.

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what's wrong with me?

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vale wrote: > The doctor doesn’t seem to know… > All my life I have had recurring problems with congestion, where I won’t > be able to breathe well through my nose for weeks or months at a time.   > It was never so bad as it’s been lately.

See an ENT.  He can do a CT scan which will reveal any anatomical blockages like a deviated septum. — Steven L.

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"CJ" <cj_99…@tdi.net> wrote in news:1063jc35000ssa4@corp.supernews.com: > You might want to try the "clear" Breathe Right strips (I suggest the > clear vs. the opaque strips). > Also, in the discipline of Yoga, there are nasal breathing exercises > that help to keep the nasal passage open. > While these suggestions aren’t cures, they are helpful. > Now, if I can only figure out what ingredient(s) is in those darn > Breathe Right strips! Understand the inventor had unrelenting nasal > problems and used some common product that is found in most homes … > he eventually went on to market the strips and they are somewhat > costly……..but for right now they do help immensely. Maybe it’s > just something like Vicks!!!

Did you read the included pamphlet?  Apparently there is something about the shape that pulls open the nasal passages without the need for medicine.   They also sell a kind that has menthol on the strips. I’m doing a bit better since going on the Flonase.  Is it possible for a problem like this to worsen with time?  Even though it always seemed like I was congested to some degree, I never really had to use OTC products for longer than a few days.  Now I have no alternative but to use a prescription drug and it doesn’t seem to be getting any better.

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The doctor doesn’t seem to know… All my life I have had recurring problems with congestion, where I won’t be able to breathe well through my nose for weeks or months at a time.   It was never so bad as it’s been lately. A few months ago I developed a cold.  After the cold mostly went away, I was left with really severe congestion that I couldn’t do anything about except use nasal spray (Afrin) or Sudafed, but that Sudafed barely helped.  I’m trimming out some un-necessary details from the story so to shorten it a bit.  I went to the doctor for this and another remnant of my cold and he prescribed me Flonase.  I went on it for about a month, during which time my breathing did improve enough that I could sleep and didn’t require OTC nasal sprays.  Even so I didn’t really want to be on Flonase for the rest of my life or anything, and it never fulled cleared up, so I decided to quit using it and see what happens. Well I quit Flonase a month ago and things have just gotten worse and worse since then.  I’m back where I can barely sleep at night because I can’t breathe.  I had to use Afrin the other day and I’m starting up with Flonase again.  I have been blowing my nose like non-stop and not to gross anyone out but there’s a lot coming out.  There is often blood in there partially because of the dry cold weather around here.  I just feel like, maybe there were some after effects of using Flonase that caused a ‘rebound’ effect, but it’s been a month.  I don’t know what to do.  I’d like a night where I could sleep on my side again without one side getting too congested to breathe through.  While not as serious as some things I have heard described, I don’t think this is normal? Any help or advice would be appreciated.  It’s driving me crazy… vale

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Vale, if all normal treatments (including nasal irrigation) don’t work, contact a rheumatologist to get screened for autoimmune vasculitides that show up often in sinuses, such as Churg-Strauss syndrome or Wegener’s granulomatosis. Those are both rare diseases, and it is unlikely that you have either one.  You can ask about anti-PR3 and anti-MPO tests, though those are not 100% accurate in determining whether CSS or WG is actually present. Good luck..

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:51:16 GMT, vale <v…@none.x.y.z> wrote: >The doctor doesn’t seem to know… >All my life I have had recurring problems with congestion, where I won’t >be able to breathe well through my nose for weeks or months at a time.   >It was never so bad as it’s been lately. >A few months ago I developed a cold.  After the cold mostly went away, I >was left with really severe congestion that I couldn’t do anything about >except use nasal spray (Afrin)

You cannot take that for more than 3 days or it is addictive. >or Sudafed, but that Sudafed barely >helped.  I’m trimming out some un-necessary details from the story so to >shorten it a bit.  I went to the doctor for this and another remnant of >my cold and he prescribed me Flonase.  I went on it for about a month, >during which time my breathing did improve enough that I could sleep and >didn’t require OTC nasal sprays.  Even so I didn’t really want to be on >Flonase for the rest of my life

It is essenially harmless (apart from very minor steroid absorption). You can try it at a lower dose if you want – it may work just as well. >or anything, and it never fulled cleared >up, so I decided to quit using it and see what happens. >Well I quit Flonase a month ago and things have just gotten worse and >worse since then.  I’m back where I can barely sleep at night because I >can’t breathe.  I had to use Afrin the other day and I’m starting up >with Flonase again.  I have been blowing my nose like non-stop and not >to gross anyone out but there’s a lot coming out.  There is often blood >in there partially because of the dry cold weather around here.  I just >feel like, maybe there were some after effects of using Flonase that >caused a ‘rebound’ effect, but it’s been a month.

No there are no such effects. >  I don’t know what to >do.  I’d like a night where I could sleep on my side again without one >side getting too congested to breathe through.

One side is ok. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  While not as serious as >some things I have heard described, I don’t think this is normal? >Any help or advice would be appreciated.  It’s driving me crazy… >vale

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Try cold water evaporative humidifier while you sleep! S

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non-medicinal treatment?

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Hi all, My father has been suffering from really bad post nasal drip and it’s driving him crazy.  He’s a diabetic with congestive heart failure and prostate problems, so any kind of oral medication and/or herbal remedy is out of the question.  Does anyone have suggestions for non-medicinal remedies he can try? Things I’ve already suggested to him are hot tea or water with lemon, steam inhalation and hot cloths over the sinus area.  I heard that putting a few drops of eucalytus oil in his pillow case might help, too. Any ideas you have would be appreciated!  Thanks!

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On 29 Jan 2004 08:26:21 -0800, piggypo…@yahoo.com (piggypot) wrote: >Hi all, >My father has been suffering from really bad post nasal drip and it’s >driving him crazy.  He’s a diabetic with congestive heart failure and >prostate problems, so any kind of oral medication and/or herbal remedy >is out of the question.  Does anyone have suggestions for >non-medicinal remedies he can try?

He needs to see a specialist to see what is the internal state of his nose and sinuses. Otherwise yiou are trying to remedy something without knowing the cause. >Things I’ve already suggested to him are hot tea or water with lemon, >steam inhalation and hot cloths over the sinus area.  I heard that >putting a few drops of eucalytus oil in his pillow case might help, >too. >Any ideas you have would be appreciated!  Thanks!

What you said could help, along with injected water irrigration. A nasal steroid spray would liekly not cause problems.

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Try oregamax http://www.oreganol.com/ProductOregamax.cfm Also look into getting a Alpine Living Air cleaner around $500 but best one you can get. On 29 Jan 2004 08:26:21 -0800, piggypo…@yahoo.com (piggypot) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi all, >My father has been suffering from really bad post nasal drip and it’s >driving him crazy.  He’s a diabetic with congestive heart failure and >prostate problems, so any kind of oral medication and/or herbal remedy >is out of the question.  Does anyone have suggestions for >non-medicinal remedies he can try? >Things I’ve already suggested to him are hot tea or water with lemon, >steam inhalation and hot cloths over the sinus area.  I heard that >putting a few drops of eucalytus oil in his pillow case might help, >too. >Any ideas you have would be appreciated!  Thanks!

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On 29 Jan 2004 08:26:21 -0800, piggypo…@yahoo.com (piggypot) wrote: >Hi all, >My father has been suffering from really bad post nasal drip and it’s >driving him crazy.  He’s a diabetic with congestive heart failure and >prostate problems, so any kind of oral medication and/or herbal remedy >is out of the question.  Does anyone have suggestions for >non-medicinal remedies he can try? >Things I’ve already suggested to him are hot tea or water with lemon, >steam inhalation and hot cloths over the sinus area.  I heard that >putting a few drops of eucalytus oil in his pillow case might help, >too. >Any ideas you have would be appreciated!  Thanks!

Hot tea – definitely – but NOT hot coffee. Stay away from cold/iced drinks. Hot cloths/compresses over the sinus area – you bet. Now, i’ve heard you should not inhale steam that is ‘too hot’ – in other words it’s good to inhale steam but not piping hot steam. Don’t forget the classic mothers remedy – chicken soup! It has medicinal properties, good for the sinusus.. Even Dr. Grossan an ENT consultant recommends it

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Ed wrote: > Try oregamax > http://www.oreganol.com/ProductOregamax.cfm

The gentleman just said that his dad cannot tolerate any more oral remedies. — Steven L.

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piggypot wrote: > Hi all, > My father has been suffering from really bad post nasal drip and it’s > driving him crazy.  He’s a diabetic with congestive heart failure and > prostate problems, so any kind of oral medication and/or herbal remedy > is out of the question.  Does anyone have suggestions for > non-medicinal remedies he can try? > Things I’ve already suggested to him are hot tea or water with lemon, > steam inhalation and hot cloths over the sinus area.

Nasal irrigation with the Grossan irrigator tip is by far the best way to deal with the symptoms of post nasal drip.  But only a doctor can find the cause of it. BTW, some medications can thicken mucus, or cause rhinitis.  Flomax, often used for enlarged prostates, can cause a runny nose and/or post nasal drip.  What meds is your dad taking? — Steven L.

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I’ve seen various irrigation "devices" on the internet and in drugstores, but will check into the Grossman. Chicken soup sounds great, but unfortunately soups are no-no for CHF patients (too much sodium). My dad’s doctor has basically just dismissed the complaints about post nasal drip, saying nothing can be done about it.  However, just today, after my dad had a very bad panic attack, thinking he was choking, the doctor presribed some Nasonex and a 3-day course of Zithromax.  I have my doubts about the Nasonex providing any immediate relief but maybe the Zithromax will help if it’s being caused by a sinus infection. (except that this has been going on for months……) Medications?  Aargh, what a nightmare.  Humulin, Glucophage, Zocor, Lisenopril, Plavix, Prevacid, Digoxin, Lasix and Aldactone.  And right now Allenpurinal for gout.  He was taking Nortriptyline and Cardura until very recently, but stopped those for some reason that I can’t remember right now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Steven Litvintchouk <sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message <news:EouSb.2647$jH6.1165@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>… > piggypot wrote: > > Hi all, > > My father has been suffering from really bad post nasal drip and it’s > > driving him crazy.  He’s a diabetic with congestive heart failure and > > prostate problems, so any kind of oral medication and/or herbal remedy > > is out of the question.  Does anyone have suggestions for > > non-medicinal remedies he can try? > > Things I’ve already suggested to him are hot tea or water with lemon, > > steam inhalation and hot cloths over the sinus area. > Nasal irrigation with the Grossan irrigator tip is by far the best way > to deal with the symptoms of post nasal drip.  But only a doctor can > find the cause of it. > BTW, some medications can thicken mucus, or cause rhinitis.  Flomax, > often used for enlarged prostates, can cause a runny nose and/or post > nasal drip.  What meds is your dad taking? > — Steven L.

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Grossans Irrigator versus waterpik?

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I use the grossans nose tip adapter with breath ease solution. I like it. My problem is the quality of the waterpik is terrible. I always have to hit it to make the pump start. And a few times i had to take it apart ant put it together. It it cheaply made. Is the grossans pump assembly any better in quality? The waterpik vibrates loud and makes loud noises also. Is Grossans any quieter? Anyone use these? I always run clean water through the unit to keep it clean also. Thank you

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You asked about the noise from the Water Pik? The noise of the Water Pik is no joke. My own nephew, bought a condominium. He gets home from work at 10 and when he went to do nasal irrigation the neighbors complained bitterly and threatened o expel him! Hence the Hydro Pulse. This is significant because now more kids will do irrigation. Also, because the stream remains at the low setting,  you don’t have the scary initial jet hitting the ceiling that you have to adjust which also frightened the kids. Hydro Pulse has other advantages. see www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/ Check with your insurance providor and see if they will cover the Hydro Pulse, some do. If you are a previous Hydro Med customer, you should be getting a holiday newsletter re a special "loyal customer discount". If you wish to receive the letter, write me at entcons…@aol.com Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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ENTconsult wrote: > You asked about the noise from the Water Pik? > The noise of the Water Pik is no joke. > My own nephew, bought a condominium. He gets home from work at 10 and when he > went to do nasal irrigation the neighbors complained bitterly and threatened o > expel him!

Same thing happened to me in my condo.  Some condo associations are truly fascist. > Hence the Hydro Pulse.

I like the Hydro Pulse too.  But I do have some suggestions for improvement, in case you ever design Hydro Pulse II: 1.  The Hydro Pulse has these four deep holes into which you can stick extra tips for storage.  But those deep holes easily accumulate moisture and dirt and are tough to clean out.  Make the holes shallower, or else make that entire four-hole panel removable so you can wash it in a sink filled with soapy water. 2.  In the back there is a compartment for the AC power cord, covered by a sliding door.  But that compartment also seems to accumulate moisture, and with the door covering it, that’s a setup for mold/mildew/germs in there.  Put some large vent holes in the sides of the compartment so that moisture that gets inside the cord compartment can evaporate before microbes start to grow. 3.  I find that stuffing the power cord back inside the aforementioned compartment is clumsy and inconvenient.  Either make the cord retractable, or at least provide a couple of posts inside the compartment that you can wrap/wind the cord around. — Steven L.

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Thank you, But how is the quality of the pump. I opened and fixed the waterpik many times. The pump is cheaply made. Is the Hydro pulse  good quality? Thank you

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Is the motor of the Hydro Pulse better? I hope so, though I don’t know about motors. The Hydro pulse is quieter, holds the pressure and because the pressure is steady is more comfortable. for me the big change has been now we can get more kids to use it- they aren’t frightened by seeing the jet hit the ceiling and they are calmed by the low sound and the ability to use the hand swith for off and on. Hydro Pulse does come with a one year warrantee. Hope your insurance covers it. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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Irrigating solution

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The following is similar to the one that Ca do is posting. The difference is that this one has one more ingredient  BETADINE The full article can be checked out at  http://www.aasj.com/tip_salt.com Ingredients: Non-iodized salt, because it stings less than iodized salt. Baking soda (bicarbonate of soda) makes it slightly alkaline and reduces sting. Water should be clean, fresh-running. Let tap run with enough force that stream doesn’t break up into drops for 10 seconds (by the clock) before placing clean measuring cup into water stream. Mix in a clean container. The salt in 3N alkaline saline inhibits germ growth, so it may be kept 48 hrs for nose & sinus irrigation in a clean, covered container. For use as a nose spray, use the same amount of salt and baking soda listed for flush solution but only half as much water, so it is twice as salty, or "6N". Buy a bottle of drug store saline nose spray, dump it out & clean the bottle. Fill it with home-made 6N saline which will keep for a month. Wash the bottle & refill with fresh 6N alkaline saline as neded. Recipe (for 3 different amounts) of 3N alkaline saline: To 16 oz water add level

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don Brady wrote: > On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:11:37 +0100, "Rob van den Berg" <adsl426…@tiscali.nl> > wrote: >>Hello >>I have a long background of sinus trouble. Several operations, loads of >>antibiotics, nasal irrigation aso. but not much relief. Both the maxillaries >>are blocked, filled with swollen tissue and a lot of infected mucus causing >>the same trouble over and over again. My ENT proposed to make an extra >>opening in the maxillary (in the nose, not through the jaw) allowing the >>infected mucus to drain more easily. To me it seems a logical step but I >>have no idea of the possible side effects. Is there anyone who has >>experiences with this sort of surgery? > I would get second opinions on that as most of those "second opening" > techniques have been abandoned as ineffective.

One major reason they’re ineffective, is that the cilia in your maxillaries work to sweep the secretions *upward* toward the existing sinus ducts.  (Those sinus ducts are located near the tops of the maxillaries.  Without the cilia, your sinuses couldn’t drain easily because the mucus has to flow upward against the pull of gravity.) So there’s no assurance that the cilia would sweep anything toward a new opening that was put in elsewhere. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email:  sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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Rob van den Berg wrote: > Hello > I have a long background of sinus trouble. Several operations, loads of > antibiotics, nasal irrigation aso. but not much relief.

Two questions please: What are your usual symptoms? When did your sinus trouble start for the first time?  Any idea what might have triggered it in the first place? > Both the maxillaries > are blocked, filled with swollen tissue and a lot of infected mucus causing > the same trouble over and over again. My ENT proposed to make an extra > opening in the maxillary (in the nose, not through the jaw) allowing the > infected mucus to drain more easily. To me it seems a logical step but I > have no idea of the possible side effects. Is there anyone who has > experiences with this sort of surgery?

This type of surgery is no longer done very much, because we now know that the cilia inside the maxillaries, work by sweeping the mucus UPWARD toward the natural sinus openings where it drains out.  So if new openings are created, the cilia won’t sweep the mucus toward those new holes, making them worthless. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email:  sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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My doctor mentioned that to me. He said a hole and I got scared. I hope someone has more info on this. My right maxillary is bad. He said 1 out of 100 he reccomends. But I hate to be that one. You would think with all the people with sinus problems that there would be more ways to fix them. But I see a lot of miserable people and hear a lot of bad things and about Doctors you dont know or care, That bothers me. I know there are many great Doctors out there. Maybe there just booked……Or we cant find them…LOL

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On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:11:37 +0100, "Rob van den Berg" <adsl426…@tiscali.nl> wrote: >Hello >I have a long background of sinus trouble. Several operations, loads of >antibiotics, nasal irrigation aso. but not much relief. Both the maxillaries >are blocked, filled with swollen tissue and a lot of infected mucus causing >the same trouble over and over again. My ENT proposed to make an extra >opening in the maxillary (in the nose, not through the jaw) allowing the >infected mucus to drain more easily. To me it seems a logical step but I >have no idea of the possible side effects. Is there anyone who has >experiences with this sort of surgery?

I would get second opinions on that as most of those "second opening" techniques have been abandoned as ineffective.

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Hello I have a long background of sinus trouble. Several operations, loads of antibiotics, nasal irrigation aso. but not much relief. Both the maxillaries are blocked, filled with swollen tissue and a lot of infected mucus causing the same trouble over and over again. My ENT proposed to make an extra opening in the maxillary (in the nose, not through the jaw) allowing the infected mucus to drain more easily. To me it seems a logical step but I have no idea of the possible side effects. Is there anyone who has experiences with this sort of surgery?

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