Nasal irrigator
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Chakravarthy Anbazhagan wrote: > Any suggestions or info on washing maxillary sinuses with irrigators? > I suffer from chronic maxillary sinusitis for over ten years and had > endoscopic surgery..etc but with very little improvement. Many years ago > I had an antrum wash and it gave me very good relief for nearly nine > months or so but problems surfaced again. > I have been using Grossan’s irrigator since last one year but the problem > is that it doesn’t help washing the maxillary sinusus as very little water > enters > in through the nostrils. Steam vapours help some extent but I still look for > a solution similar to antrum wash. Any experiences ? > Chak > i…@hooked.net wrote: > > I have had a nasal irrigator for about one month. It is not the regular > > water-pik + Dr. Grossan tip. This is from Ethicare which also sale > > different nasal and throat tips. This machine provides an "air cushioned" > > flow of the saline solution. The reservoir has over one quart capacity. > > Has anybody how different the flow in the water-pik is, better, worst? > > What about Dr. Grossan’s tip, does it have any superior features than the > > ones from Ethicare? > > One of the tips I purchased is a thin, flexible, soft tube. I am able to > > push it (gently) in toward my maxilary sinuses, where my chronic problem > > is, about 2.5 inches, to get closer to the problem. I am careful about > > doing this, I certainly didn’t do it the first week after I bought the > > irrigator. Now I assume that I’ll have to use saline irrigations for the > > rest of my life…I don’t know if I need sinus surgery, but I’m really > > skeptical, after all the rate of success is not that great as far as I > > know.
Well, I don’t know if it will work for you, but I’ve had some good experience with maxillary irrigation using a stainless steel device from my surgeon. I’ve had bilateral antrostomies performed, so both of my maxillaries are wide open. I have still had periodic maxillary infections develop, but by using the irrigator/suction device (attached by tubing to a large syringe), I have used saline with antibiotic (bactroban), or saline solution by itself. You have to get accustomed to inserting it deeply into your nose and into the maxillary sinus, but by using 50 ml or so of solution, I can give a very forceful wash to each maxillary, and I often have very large masses of exudate wash out. I usually feel better for a while, and I guess that’s what we’re all searching for. I recommend heating the solution for about 30 seconds in a microwave to warm it up prior to irrigation. It’s a hell of a headache otherwise. I hope this gives you something to talk to your MD about. Sinus suffering is the pits, so I wish you luck.
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Dear Chak, There seems to be a misunderstanding re how to clear the sinuses. Its not a matter of putting an instrument into the sinus directly. It is a matter of restoring movement of the cilia. It is the impairment of the cilia movement that is responsible for most sinus problems. In addition to the water pik irrigator, you also need hot compresses, papaya, lots of liquids and other means of getting cilia back to normal in order to get the sinus back to health. Once the cilia are returned to normal, usually the sinus problem is resolved. This also applies to blocked eustachian tube. If you check the bibliography at http://www.ent-consult.com you will note theat the various authors test the cilia movement as a guide to whether the sinus is functioning, whether it is healed. Since normal cilia pulse at about the same speed as the water pik and the nasal attachment, you have the best opportunity of restoring normal cilia movement. Best wishes, Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
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I don’t have any experience with the Water-pik used as irrigator. The irrigator I am using allows the solution to go deep into the sinuses. I used to use the netty-pot, it helped with the frontal sinuses, but my maxilary sinuses didn’t get much solution. I was always wondering if there was a way to get the saline solution there. A few weeks ago I found out about the nasal irrigators on the web. I did my research and decided to go for Ethecare instead of the Waterpik simply because they also had a special tip that can deliver the solution more directly to "difficult" pockets. The only draw back I find is that you have to be aware that when the reservoir empties, the air bursts out through the tip (pressured air is what forces the solution to flow from the tip). The instruction that comes with it tell you to use it with your eyes looking toward the floor. Because my frontal sinuses are OK and my problem seems to be located in my maxilary sinuses I don’t want to spread infection, so I use it with my head up. The special tip goes between 1.5 and 2.5 inches in. I was very apprehensinve about doing this at first. I’m very careful doing it. I’ve noticed that as the sinuses health improve, they are less swollen and allow you to go deeper. Again, some experimentation is needed, and no rush. It is working for me, and I hope I won’t have to do this every day in the near future. Martin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In article <362169C2.A8AD7…@sj.bigger.net>, cha…@sj.bigger.net wrote: > Any suggestions or info on washing maxillary sinuses with irrigators? > I suffer from chronic maxillary sinusitis for over ten years and had > endoscopic surgery..etc but with very little improvement. Many years ago > I had an antrum wash and it gave me very good relief for nearly nine > months or so but problems surfaced again. > I have been using Grossan’s irrigator since last one year but the problem > is that it doesn’t help washing the maxillary sinusus as very little water > enters > in through the nostrils. Steam vapours help some extent but I still look for > a solution similar to antrum wash. Any experiences ? > Chak
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Any suggestions or info on washing maxillary sinuses with irrigators? I suffer from chronic maxillary sinusitis for over ten years and had endoscopic surgery..etc but with very little improvement. Many years ago I had an antrum wash and it gave me very good relief for nearly nine months or so but problems surfaced again. I have been using Grossan’s irrigator since last one year but the problem is that it doesn’t help washing the maxillary sinusus as very little water enters in through the nostrils. Steam vapours help some extent but I still look for a solution similar to antrum wash. Any experiences ? Chak – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -i…@hooked.net wrote: > I have had a nasal irrigator for about one month. It is not the regular > water-pik + Dr. Grossan tip. This is from Ethicare which also sale > different nasal and throat tips. This machine provides an "air cushioned" > flow of the saline solution. The reservoir has over one quart capacity. > Has anybody how different the flow in the water-pik is, better, worst? > What about Dr. Grossan’s tip, does it have any superior features than the > ones from Ethicare? > One of the tips I purchased is a thin, flexible, soft tube. I am able to > push it (gently) in toward my maxilary sinuses, where my chronic problem > is, about 2.5 inches, to get closer to the problem. I am careful about > doing this, I certainly didn’t do it the first week after I bought the > irrigator. Now I assume that I’ll have to use saline irrigations for the > rest of my life…I don’t know if I need sinus surgery, but I’m really > skeptical, after all the rate of success is not that great as far as I > know.
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There are some 31 articles re use of the water pik with the Grossan attachment. The ‘cushion of air doesn’t pulsate. With the water pik and adaptor you get: better removal of thick mucus and crusts by pulsation. Pulsation is reported to be 100x as effective as straight irrigation in removing bacteria. movement of the cilia back and forth to encourage return of function the exact pressure so bacteria are not introduced into healthy areas or into the ear. pulsation for better entrance and exit from the sinus cavity the pulsation effect – like a massage – to enhance arterial and venous flow. Because the pressure with the "cushion of air" varies as the solution empties, you must use extreme caution not to get the big blast of air as the solution empties. This could cause air to enter the blood stream or worse. Especially if the sinus walls are weak or after sinus surgery, excessive pressure can do a lot of harm. As the cushion of air comes out under pressure it expands forcefully. With the water pik, the pressure remains the same once you set it so the stream is 1/2 to one inch above the irrigator tip. Please read the bibliography at http://www.ent-consult.com Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
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I have had a nasal irrigator for about one month. It is not the regular water-pik + Dr. Grossan tip. This is from Ethicare which also sale different nasal and throat tips. This machine provides an "air cushioned" flow of the saline solution. The reservoir has over one quart capacity. Has anybody how different the flow in the water-pik is, better, worst? What about Dr. Grossan’s tip, does it have any superior features than the ones from Ethicare? One of the tips I purchased is a thin, flexible, soft tube. I am able to push it (gently) in toward my maxilary sinuses, where my chronic problem is, about 2.5 inches, to get closer to the problem. I am careful about doing this, I certainly didn’t do it the first week after I bought the irrigator. Now I assume that I’ll have to use saline irrigations for the rest of my life…I don’t know if I need sinus surgery, but I’m really skeptical, after all the rate of success is not that great as far as I know.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - i…@hooked.net wrote: > I have had a nasal irrigator for about one month. It is not the regular > water-pik + Dr. Grossan tip. This is from Ethicare which also sale > different nasal and throat tips. This machine provides an "air cushioned" > flow of the saline solution. The reservoir has over one quart capacity. > Has anybody how different the flow in the water-pik is, better, worst? > What about Dr. Grossan’s tip, does it have any superior features than the > ones from Ethicare? > One of the tips I purchased is a thin, flexible, soft tube. I am able to > push it (gently) in toward my maxilary sinuses, where my chronic problem > is, about 2.5 inches, to get closer to the problem. I am careful about > doing this, I certainly didn’t do it the first week after I bought the > irrigator. Now I assume that I’ll have to use saline irrigations for the > rest of my life…I don’t know if I need sinus surgery, but I’m really > skeptical, after all the rate of success is not that great as far as I > know.
I looked at this system – I believe the website is: http://www.ethicare.com/index.html and I am wondering if it is even BETTER than the water pik & the Grossan tip? I am always looking for ways things can be improved upon – the water pik & G-tip are great but is this "system" more effective and thorough? It sure seems like having a variety of tips that are interchangebale would be good. And I wonder about the "air-cushioned flow of saline"????? Take a look some of you sinus sufferers and say what you think. And anyone who has tried BOTH the Ethicare system and the water-pik and G-tip SPEAK-UP!!!! And Dr, Grossan – this is obviously a competitor of yours – what do you say about it? Shelley ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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