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Balloon Sinuplasty

admin — Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Here is an update on my visit with Dr. Hwang at Stanford. He said my case was too complicated to do the balloon sinuplasty. He only recommends it to patients who have blockages in the maxillary, sphenoid and frontal sinuses–the sinuses which have a single ostia. Those that have multiple openings–the ethymoid–cannot be treated as effectively with the balloon. I also have haller cells, a maxillary cyst, and a deviated septum that needs correction. I was disappointed, but appreciated his kind and through explaination of the procedure and so have decided to have him do my surgery in three weeks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don Brady wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 01:32:44 GMT, "Steven L." > wrote: > >I understand how this is supposed to work, > >but I don’t understand what the point is, for many patients. > >Many patients with sinusitis (myself included) have a deviated septum > >and also diseased and thickened sinus linings, all of which have to be > >dealt with surgically anyway. So as long as the surgeon is doing > >surgery on my septum and sinuses, widening out the ostia is just one > >small part of it. > >In my most recent surgery, the culprit was a pus-filled mucocele in one > >of my left ethmoids. Just widening out the ostia wouldn’t have gotten > >rid of that thing. > >Is there any evidence that just widening out the ostia causes everything > >else in the sinuses to magically cure itself? > Well I think that widening the ostia is often the primary surgical procedure > performed, and often does allow the sinuses to recover with the better air > flow. > I am sure that conventional surgery will still have a role, even if the new > procedure (which is really just in trial phase) does become common. > Here’s one article: > http://www.newsdial.com/sinusitis/balloon-sinuplasty.html

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On 21 Jan 2006 12:00:14 -0800, "afisher39" wrote: >Here is an update on my visit with Dr. Hwang at Stanford. He said my >case was too complicated to do the balloon sinuplasty. He only >recommends it to patients who have blockages in the maxillary, sphenoid >and frontal sinuses–the sinuses which have a single ostia. Those that >have multiple openings–the ethymoid–cannot be treated as effectively >with the balloon. I also have haller cells, a maxillary cyst, and a >deviated septum that needs correction. I was disappointed, but >appreciated his kind and through explaination of the procedure and so >have decided to have him do my surgery in three weeks.

Thanks for posting the information. He sounds to be a good bet to do your surgery. Peopel who are so proficient with surgery that they are refining the state of the art are the kind of people I would want to do surgery (provide they are nto experimenting too much, but this does not sound to be a risk here)…..

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Your welcome. Thanks for your take on my doctor’s proficiency. To be honest, I didn’t check him out throughly, just went with the reputation of Stanford (he’s the director of the sinus clinic) and a few mentions on this forum. In my state (New Mexico) I was going to have to go out of state anyway.

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Recently??? I had this done numerous times almost 10 years ago!! It worked for a while, maybe 3 months, then back to the same old, same old. BR "augustwestern" wrote in message

news:_pOdnZ6s15EveyveRVn-oA@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "afisher39" wrote in message > news:1136058652.471721.178970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… >> Has anyone tried balloon sinuplasty? It recently became available. A >> ballon catheter is inserted into the nostrils and inflated to widen the >> ostia. >> I have an appointment with Dr. Perter Hwang at the Standford Sinus >> Center Jan 23 to see I’m a candidate. Has anyone here seen Dr. Hwang? >> For more information, go to acclarent.com which also lists the >> physicians qualified to do this procedure. > I have seen Dr Peter Hwang. He returned to practice at Stanford earlier > this > year. I was very impressed by him. I have not had the procedure you are > asking about done. Dr Hwang was very familiar with the Hydropulse and said > that for me daily saline irrigations were a must if I was to avoid > surgery. > He also taught me a lot about using intranasal Bactroban. AW

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Has anyone tried balloon sinuplasty? It recently became available. A ballon catheter is inserted into the nostrils and inflated to widen the ostia. I have an appointment with Dr. Perter Hwang at the Standford Sinus Center Jan 23 to see I’m a candidate. Has anyone here seen Dr. Hwang? For more information, go to acclarent.com which also lists the physicians qualified to do this procedure.

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"afisher39" wrote in message

news:1136058652.471721.178970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… > Has anyone tried balloon sinuplasty? It recently became available. A > ballon catheter is inserted into the nostrils and inflated to widen the > ostia. > I have an appointment with Dr. Perter Hwang at the Standford Sinus > Center Jan 23 to see I’m a candidate. Has anyone here seen Dr. Hwang? > For more information, go to acclarent.com which also lists the > physicians qualified to do this procedure.

I have seen Dr Peter Hwang. He returned to practice at Stanford earlier this year. I was very impressed by him. I have not had the procedure you are asking about done. Dr Hwang was very familiar with the Hydropulse and said that for me daily saline irrigations were a must if I was to avoid surgery. He also taught me a lot about using intranasal Bactroban. AW

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Thanks for your reply AW and your endorsement of Dr. Hwang. Do you take intranasal Bactroban only when you have an infection or as a prophylactic during flu season?

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"afisher39" wrote in message

news:1136061336.447310.270130@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > Thanks for your reply AW and your endorsement of Dr. Hwang. Do you take > intranasal Bactroban only when you have an infection or as a > prophylactic during flu season?

Only when I am absolutely sure I have a sinus infection. Never prophylactic. Intranasal Bactroban was suggested to me because of my history of staph related problems. YMMV from mine. AW

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Do you mind telling me how were you diagnosed with staph? What does YMMV mean?

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afisher39 wrote: > Has anyone tried balloon sinuplasty? It recently became available. A > ballon catheter is inserted into the nostrils and inflated to widen the > ostia. > I have an appointment with Dr. Perter Hwang at the Standford Sinus > Center Jan 23 to see I’m a candidate. Has anyone here seen Dr. Hwang? > For more information, go to acclarent.com which also lists the > physicians qualified to do this procedure.

I understand how this is supposed to work, but I don’t understand what the point is, for many patients. Many patients with sinusitis (myself included) have a deviated septum and also diseased and thickened sinus linings, all of which have to be dealt with surgically anyway. So as long as the surgeon is doing surgery on my septum and sinuses, widening out the ostia is just one small part of it. In my most recent surgery, the culprit was a pus-filled mucocele in one of my left ethmoids. Just widening out the ostia wouldn’t have gotten rid of that thing. Is there any evidence that just widening out the ostia causes everything else in the sinuses to magically cure itself? — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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Steven, I have the same question as you, which I’ll pose to Dr. Hwang. Clearly, not everyone is a candidate for balloon sinoplasty. My understanding so far is that in some cases, simply widening the ostia will allow drainage so bacteria and fungi do not have the opportunity to proliferate. Then, if the lining isn’t that badly damaged, it will heal on its own. I wish I had more information at this time, but will write back with the result of my appointment. There is a bit more information on the medical provider tab of the acclarent.com website and a video.

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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 01:32:44 GMT, "Steven L." wrote: >I understand how this is supposed to work, >but I don’t understand what the point is, for many patients. >Many patients with sinusitis (myself included) have a deviated septum >and also diseased and thickened sinus linings, all of which have to be >dealt with surgically anyway. So as long as the surgeon is doing >surgery on my septum and sinuses, widening out the ostia is just one >small part of it. >In my most recent surgery, the culprit was a pus-filled mucocele in one >of my left ethmoids. Just widening out the ostia wouldn’t have gotten >rid of that thing. >Is there any evidence that just widening out the ostia causes everything >else in the sinuses to magically cure itself?

Well I think that widening the ostia is often the primary surgical procedure performed, and often does allow the sinuses to recover with the better air flow. I am sure that conventional surgery will still have a role, even if the new procedure (which is really just in trial phase) does become common. Here’s one article: http://www.newsdial.com/sinusitis/balloon-sinuplasty.html

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Dr. Hwang’s office told me that the trials have been completed, but not published yet.

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"afisher39" wrote in message

news:1136066990.654597.26350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… > Do you mind telling me how were you diagnosed with staph? What does > YMMV mean?

Staph germs, which are ubiquitious in our environment, can become colonized in the nose where they can either live with no bad effects or cause various kinds of skin problems and also contribute to some sinus infections. I have a history of staph related skin problems. YMMV means Your Mileage or experiences May Vary from mine – because I didn’t want to imply that intranasal Bactroban was appropriate for all suspected sinus infections. It’s my understanding that most people have a variety of germs colonized in their nose which may or may not cause illness. I was also told that my nose is colonized with pseudomonas which as far as I know hasn’t caused me any problems. AW

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afisher39 wrote: > Steven, > I have the same question as you, which I’ll pose to Dr. Hwang. Clearly, > not everyone is a candidate for balloon sinoplasty. My understanding > so far is that in some cases, simply widening the ostia will allow > drainage so bacteria and fungi do not have the opportunity to > proliferate. Then, if the lining isn’t that badly damaged, it will heal > on its own.

If so, that’s definitely not my situation. I have had cysts and pus-filled mucoceles growing inside sinuses *after* the ostia were widened surgically. This balloon sinuplasty sounds like a procedure just for very mild sinusitis–the next step up from Sudafed. Ask Dr. Hwang if they are trying it out on severe sinusitis patients or just mild cases. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 15:45:20 GMT, "Steven L." wrote: >> Well I think that widening the ostia is often the primary surgical procedure >> performed, and often does allow the sinuses to recover with the better air >> flow. >You think it will largely eliminate the need for septoplasty?

That will probably still be required in its present form. I know that septoplasty is often needed, but it is not always needed. Maybe the best way to think of the new tool, hype aside, will be as just another variation of surgical instrumentation,. for use often in combination with others. The are already a number of them and innovations will keep occurring…….

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don Brady wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 01:32:44 GMT, "Steven L." > wrote: >>I understand how this is supposed to work, >>but I don’t understand what the point is, for many patients. >>Many patients with sinusitis (myself included) have a deviated septum >>and also diseased and thickened sinus linings, all of which have to be >>dealt with surgically anyway. So as long as the surgeon is doing >>surgery on my septum and sinuses, widening out the ostia is just one >>small part of it. >>In my most recent surgery, the culprit was a pus-filled mucocele in one >>of my left ethmoids. Just widening out the ostia wouldn’t have gotten >>rid of that thing. >>Is there any evidence that just widening out the ostia causes everything >>else in the sinuses to magically cure itself? > Well I think that widening the ostia is often the primary surgical procedure > performed, and often does allow the sinuses to recover with the better air > flow.

You think it will largely eliminate the need for septoplasty? — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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You think it will largely eliminate the need for septoplasty? My sinusitis is very asymmetric–it’s always much worse on my left side–reflecting how my septum was originally deviated. And as I said, I had to have revision surgery because the surgeon of my first surgery thought that the ostia to one of my ethmoids was wide enough. So he left that ethmoid alone, resulting in my having to have a revision surgery to remove the mucocele that was growing inside there. Sorry, I don’t buy this whole thing, based on my own experience. This "balloon sinuplasty" looks to be a great way for patients to end up having revision surgeries to fix all the things that the balloon sinuplasty didn’t fix. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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X-ray of bad root canal treatment

admin — Sun, 09 Oct 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi, No I have not seen these can you send me any references? Thanks, Rod. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -bfp383 wrote: > I have seen medical journal articles about fungal sinusitis being > caused by the overfilling of root canals. Have you seen this? > On 9 Oct 2005 05:06:01 -0700, "rod" wrote: > >Hi, > >I recently had an X-ray done of a possible bad root canal treatment. > >The theory is that this has been affecting my sinuses, eg. I have been > >diagnosed with sinusitis. From: > >http://au.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rodmayes/album?.dir=/ea8d&.src=ph&.t… > >You can see the "canal filler" extending into the sinus cavity, with > >some "extra filler" at the tip. > >Is anyone able to verify that this would be affecting my sinuses and if > >so, in what way? > >Thanks, > >Rod.

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I have seen medical journal articles about fungal sinusitis being caused by the overfilling of root canals. Have you seen this? On 9 Oct 2005 05:06:01 -0700, "rod" wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi, >I recently had an X-ray done of a possible bad root canal treatment. >The theory is that this has been affecting my sinuses, eg. I have been >diagnosed with sinusitis. From: >http://au.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rodmayes/album?.dir=/ea8d&.src=ph&.t… >You can see the "canal filler" extending into the sinus cavity, with >some "extra filler" at the tip. >Is anyone able to verify that this would be affecting my sinuses and if >so, in what way? >Thanks, >Rod.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -tyler.scha…@gmail.com wrote: > I am not a doctor. I have had FESS, and i suspected a bad root canel > may have led to my chronic sinusitis. With that said, i will give my > layperson observations/thoughts: > >From my experiences, it does look like the filler is extending into the > maxillary sinus. > Is the maxillary sinus above that tooth infected? Yes > Is the tooth (and surrounding tissue) pressure and/or temperature > sensitive? Only some pain. I was wondering about this too … but does not the root canal treatment remove the nerves and tooth effectively dies .. in which case it would not feel any pain. > In my case, the right maxillary was a mess, and pressue on the tooth > would cause sharp pain. > You need to see an ENT and/or an endontist. I would see an ENT to > possibly scan your sinuses, and make a judgement in regards to the > tooth. I have heard that endontists can be quick to advise surgery. > Keep that in mind.

I have done this ENT was prior to this w-ray being taken. Endontist said should be fine, but I have my doubts … maybe they just cover for each other … scared I will commence litergation of some kind. Has anyone heard of dentists covering up for each other? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good Luck. > Tyler

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I am not a doctor. I have had FESS, and i suspected a bad root canel may have led to my chronic sinusitis. With that said, i will give my layperson observations/thoughts: >From my experiences, it does look like the filler is extending into the

maxillary sinus. Is the maxillary sinus above that tooth infected? Is the tooth (and surrounding tissue) pressure and/or temperature sensitive? In my case, the right maxillary was a mess, and pressue on the tooth would cause sharp pain. You need to see an ENT and/or an endontist. I would see an ENT to possibly scan your sinuses, and make a judgement in regards to the tooth. I have heard that endontists can be quick to advise surgery. Keep that in mind. Good Luck. Tyler

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rod wrote: > Hi, > I recently had an X-ray done of a possible bad root canal treatment. > The theory is that this has been affecting my sinuses, eg. I have been > diagnosed with sinusitis. From: > http://au.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rodmayes/album?.dir=/ea8d&.src=ph&.t… > You can see the "canal filler" extending into the sinus cavity, with > some "extra filler" at the tip. > Is anyone able to verify that this would be affecting my sinuses and if > so, in what way?

Well, we laypersons can’t diagnose you by remote control. But I have heard that about 10% of sinusitis cases are thought to be of dental origin. The maxillary sinus cavity is separated from the roots of the upper molar teeth by just a thin layer of bone. When an upper molar extrudes into the maxillary sinus cavity, it can allow infection to travel into the sinus. So if your sinusitis problems started after your bad root canal treatment, it’s certainly a prime suspect. Get a second opinion, preferably from an oral surgeon. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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On 9 Oct 2005 05:06:01 -0700, "rod" wrote: >Hi, >I recently had an X-ray done of a possible bad root canal treatment. >The theory is that this has been affecting my sinuses, eg. I have been >diagnosed with sinusitis. From: >http://au.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rodmayes/album?.dir=/ea8d&.src=ph&.t… >You can see the "canal filler" extending into the sinus cavity, with >some "extra filler" at the tip. >Is anyone able to verify that this would be affecting my sinuses and if >so, in what way?

Well it will affect your sinuses. So just get it fixed and see what happens. I would be hopeful…..

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Hi, I recently had an X-ray done of a possible bad root canal treatment. The theory is that this has been affecting my sinuses, eg. I have been diagnosed with sinusitis. From: http://au.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/rodmayes/album?.dir=/ea8d&.src=ph&.t… You can see the "canal filler" extending into the sinus cavity, with some "extra filler" at the tip. Is anyone able to verify that this would be affecting my sinuses and if so, in what way? Thanks, Rod.

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I'm scared to death of a relapse….any advice?

admin — Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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tyler.scha…@gmail.com wrote: > Thanks for the reply/info. > My doc determined it is a majority of nasal phlegm going down my > throat. From your description of deep in chest versus larnyx, i agree > with that assessment. > The phlegm seemed to reach it’s peak this morning. Upon waking and > after irrigating, i was able to cough up and ’snort down’ a great deal > of nasty phlegm. I guess what baffles me is how i get clear drainage > out my nose, yet tons of yucky stuff post-nasally?

Because the opening to your throat is a lot wider than your nostrils, and because the action of the cilia (hair cells) is to sweep secretions *backwards* from your nose to your throat, the phlegm follows the path of least resistance. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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On 11 Aug 2005 09:48:01 -0700, tyler.scha…@gmail.com wrote: >Thanks for the reply/info. >My doc determined it is a majority of nasal phlegm going down my >throat. From your description of deep in chest versus larnyx, i agree >with that assessment. >The phlegm seemed to reach it’s peak this morning. Upon waking and >after irrigating, i was able to cough up and ’snort down’ a great deal >of nasty phlegm. I guess what baffles me is how i get clear drainage >out my nose, yet tons of yucky stuff post-nasally?

As Steven mentions, after it gets thick beyond a certain point it just goes backwards, not forward any more. Eventually when/if you cure your sinsuitis, the backward drainage will stop and you will have more forward drainage again. > Does this indicate >more mucus in any particular sinus? I imagine the good part is that it >IS draining instead of staying blocked/trapped.

You are correct. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I actually feel a bit better today than i did yesterday. From a >headache standpoint, i am in much better shape than yesterday. I am >hoping that this means i have crossed the threshold of just a cold and >will get better. >I will agree about flying. We drove to florida on this last vacation. >However, on 4/20 of this year i flew cross-country to portland oregon, >and I had some awful ear and sinus issues while descending. If i ever >fly in the future, my ENT said i should use some afrin to combat >blockage.

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tyler.scha…@gmail.com wrote: > I am desperate for anything that could help. This sinusitus has ruined > my summer with my family, and i can’t fathom it coming back again and > ruining the entire year! > Thanks in advance for any responses, > Tyler

I would suggest you take acidophilus. Take 4 tablets a day. Make sure you get fresh stuff. It’s cheap, you can’t OD on it and I think it made a huge difference in my life. Do it for 4 months and report back on how you are. If you take anitbiotics make double sure you are on acidophilus. You may need the antibiotics to get rid of an infection. Make sure you are on it long enough for it to work and don’t do those short 3-5 day packs. It could take months on anitbiotics to totally clear up the infection. But if you don’t use the acidophilus then you will end up in a vicious cycle.

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Before my surgery, i experimented with both acidophilus and garlic. I noticed more congestion during the day each time after i took the acidophilus. I decided based on those limited observations to cease taking it. Maybe the cause of extra congestion was related to something else. I will research and consider trying the acidophilus again.

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I figured i would provide an update to my situtation. I’ve been treating this head cold aggressivly. I estimate i’m about 85% better. I still have some postnasal drip, but it is mostly clear and sometimes white. Very seldom is it the greenish/brownish crud that was being produced at the peak of this head cold. I’ve been irrigating 4x /day . The past few days i’ve been using ice for brief periods on my ethmoid/frontal region, as well as using cold water irrigation. I decided to try cold water irrigation based on the following site: http://www.coldresearch.org/ I can’t scientifically state that the ‘cold’ approach has helped my recovery, but in my opinion it made a postive difference. I took the approach that my main concern was decreasing swelling as much as possible to allow drainage. I believe the ice and cold water can aid that process via their vasoconstricting properties. I also have stopped the claritin the past couple of days in the belief that some increased mucus production, provided it can drain, is good for cleaning out any remaining bacteria/gunk. I’m going to continue this regimin the next few days and see if I can complete my recovery.

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On 8/16/05 8:44 AM, in article 1124207056.085790.283…@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "tyler.scha…@gmail.com" wrote: > Before my surgery, i experimented with both acidophilus and garlic. I > noticed more congestion during the day each time after i took the > acidophilus. I decided based on those limited observations to cease > taking it. Maybe the cause of extra congestion was related to > something else. I will research and consider trying the acidophilus > again.

Many persons are milk intolerant. You have to shop around to find a brand of yougurt /acidopholus that you tolerate. They are all different since they affect the milk in dofferent ways.

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On 8/16/05 8:58 AM, in article 1124207928.120013.145…@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"tyler.scha…@gmail.com" wrote: > I figured i would provide an update to my situtation. I’ve been > treating this head cold aggressivly. I estimate i’m about 85% better. > I still have some postnasal drip, but it is mostly clear and sometimes > white. Very seldom is it the greenish/brownish crud that was being > produced at the peak of this head cold. > I’ve been irrigating 4x /day . The past few days i’ve been using ice > for brief periods on my ethmoid/frontal region, as well as using cold > water irrigation. I decided to try cold water irrigation based on the > following site: > http://www.coldresearch.org/ > I can’t scientifically state that the ‘cold’ approach has helped my > recovery, but in my opinion it made a postive difference. I took the > approach that my main concern was decreasing swelling as much as > possible to allow drainage. I believe the ice and cold water can aid > that process via their vasoconstricting properties. I also have > stopped the claritin the past couple of days in the belief that some > increased mucus production, provided it can drain, is good for cleaning > out any remaining bacteria/gunk. > I’m going to continue this regimin the next few days and see if I can > complete my recovery.

Irrigating four times a day may be too much removal of good enzymes .

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What would you suggest for a max? 2 times? During my FESS recovery period, when i had my reinfection, my ENT suggested 4x daily. That is where i came up with that figure. However, as i said in my longer post, after irrigating that much, my sinuses felt ’sore’ and ‘beat up’ to an extent, even though the ENT said all looked great from an infection standpoint. After halting irrigation for a few days after that, all felt good again. Right now i’m down to either 1 or 2 times, depending on the level of congestion i feel. I irrigate in the evening, and then upon waking in the morning, i decide whether i feel another irrigation is necessary before starting the day. This morning i decided i didn’t need it. My right eustachian tube tends to get blocked when i irrigate frequently, so that is incentive to play it conservative if at all possible. I can say based on close observation that my right molar will ache a lot when i irrigate frequently, even though there may be no infection in the right maxillary region. In fact, it was aching like this just a couple of days ago, but has since subsided since i’ve slowed the irrigations down. Dr Grossan — Do you have any opinion on cold water irrigation versus warm water irrigation? While warm water should help break up the thicker mucus, cold water can provide benefits with decreasing swelling. My only concern is a negative effect on the cilia. Is it possible the cold water could be a shock to the system?

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Thanks for the reply/info. My doc determined it is a majority of nasal phlegm going down my throat. From your description of deep in chest versus larnyx, i agree with that assessment. The phlegm seemed to reach it’s peak this morning. Upon waking and after irrigating, i was able to cough up and ’snort down’ a great deal of nasty phlegm. I guess what baffles me is how i get clear drainage out my nose, yet tons of yucky stuff post-nasally? Does this indicate more mucus in any particular sinus? I imagine the good part is that it IS draining instead of staying blocked/trapped. I actually feel a bit better today than i did yesterday. From a headache standpoint, i am in much better shape than yesterday. I am hoping that this means i have crossed the threshold of just a cold and will get better. I will agree about flying. We drove to florida on this last vacation. However, on 4/20 of this year i flew cross-country to portland oregon, and I had some awful ear and sinus issues while descending. If i ever fly in the future, my ENT said i should use some afrin to combat blockage.

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You don’t say anything about allergy testing. Since many sinus problems are due to allergies you should be skin tested for them. Mold is high right now just about everywhere due to the summer heat and humidity and I think Florida would have pretty high levels of mold. By mold I am talking about outside airborne mold. I would make an appointment with an allergist and get skin tested. I had many years free from sinus problems and was sucessfully treated with 8 years of allergy shots. Only recently I started to have problems and was retested for allergies and now everything I had shots for showed up clear. However now I have tested positive for mold allergies. Note that although you can do things to prevent mold in your house it is out in outside air which is hard to avoid.

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I don’t know how much you have read on sinusitis but a good book on the subject is: Sinus Survival: The Holistic Medical Treatment for Sinusitis, Allergies, and Colds (Paperback) by Robert S. Ivker 4th Rev&Up edition (August 1, 2000) ISBN: 1585420581 This book has a lot of useful information and would recommend including info on enhancing your general physical and emotional health to better help you fight off sinus infections. Be sure to get the latest edition to get the most up to date info. The fact that the book is on its fourth version (or higher) tells you something. Dr. Grossan who frequents this board also has a co authored a great book that you may wish to check out – The Sinus Cure : 7 Simple Steps to Relieve Sinusitis and Other Ear, Nose, and Throat Conditions (Paperback) Both books were available at my local library.

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tyler.scha…@gmail.com wrote: > Does anyone have any advice on how to handle this? Any extra > steps/remedies/recommendations on how to avoid this turning into > another sinus nightmare?

First of all, the point of the surgery was to improve sinus drainage so that every time you catch a cold it doesn’t turn into a long-lasting sinus infection. But it can take up to a whole YEAR to get the full improvement from your surgery. So you have to be real patient. One of my cardinal rules about treating sinusitis is: NEVER fly with a severe sinus infection. If you got sick in Florida and then flew back home, the change in air pressure and the poor air quality could drive the infection deeper. A friend of mine made the mistake of flying with an severe acute sinus infection, and that’s how she got permanent chronic sinusitis. As far as your coughing up green phlegm: You probably feel a congested spot or "tickle" that is making you cough. Does the "tickle" feel like it’s down deep in your chest, or up higher like just below your larynx? The former is more suggetive of bronchitis, but the latter is more suggestive of post nasal drip from sinusitis. If possible, I would suggest inhaling warm steam thru your mouth, from a pot of water that you heated to boiling. Or from a long hot shower. The steam entering your lungs will liquefy that phlegm and make it easier to cough up. I also find Mucinex helps. For a romantic interlude, you and your wife can take a hot steamy shower together and cough up phlegm together. :-) > My wife’s > symptoms are more chest related, and as I said, i am seemingly coughing > up blobs of goo from my chest.

How is the doctor treating your wife? We sure don’t want her to end up needing sinus surgery like you did! — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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On 10 Aug 2005 11:32:50 -0700, tyler.scha…@gmail.com wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi all, >Sorry for the long post/story……if you want a quick summary of this, >check below at the bottom for a quick summary list——- >This is my first post to this group, though I have been lurking here >for a few years during my battles with sinusitis. These have recently >gone from a nuisence to a real problem. I truly sympathize with those >in this group that have to live with this nightmare. >In march of this year, i developed what was interpreted by myself as a >common cold. Before this cold subsided, it developed into sinusitis. >The big error on my part was waiting until april to go to a doc. She >prescribed 10 days of ceftin. That did absolutely nothing. She then >had me come in for a steroid shot which was to act as an antihistimine. > This did nothing. Then, i was on 2 weeks of avelox. After the avelox >did nothing, i was sent for a CT scan and referred to my ENT. The ENT >was worried because the scan showed that my sphenoids were a mess, and, >as the scan was about 7 days old at that point, he was concerned if >they were still in that bad state. I got another scan which thankfully >showed the sphenoids were clear, but still showed my left frontal and >right maxillary were a mess. I suspected this, as my left forehead >around the eyebrow region has had aches (especially aggravating in the >morning) for years. Kind of a ‘dull’ headache i had always lived with. > My right ear had been aching me and was clogged, and I have a >root-canaled upper right molar that was very sensitive at random times >throughout the day for the previous year. Turns out, this molar is >thought to be getting referred pain from that bad right maxillary. The >ENT put me on 2 weeks of leviquin, allegraD and rhinocort aqua. He >also gave me a neilmed sinus rinse kit, that i used twice daily. I had >already been doing irrigation. Toward the end of my avelox cycle, i had >purchased a NETI pot and was using that. Two weeks went by, and I >thought i was feeling a bit better over the last few days of that >cycle. But, when the ENT heard I was still having symptoms, he ordered >another CT scan. This scan showed that my sinuses were worse that day >than 2 weeks earlier! What I still find odd is that during the >irrigations (and i was being aggressive), i only saw totally clear >discharge. I guess my sinuses were literally closed off. After a talk >with the doc, i scheduled FESS, which was done on 6/22. >After the FESS, i felt pretty darn good. Yeah, I had the crusting and >the associated stuffiness, but it was bearable. But, for the first >time i could recently remember, i wasn’t waking up with the headaches >on my forehead. Also, that darn tooth pain was gone! On the 14th day >after my FESS, i was feeling great….the breating was open, and there >was no pain. However, that day while I was at work, I felt a dull >stabbing pain around my right ethmoid area. This pain slowly began to >magnify, until my right frontal was in excruciating pain. I hadn’t had >a sinus headache that bad since i was a teen. What is weird about this >is my left frontal had been the one operated on, and i hadn’t felt any >pain in my right frontal like that in over 15 years. I immediately >called my ENT and got an appointment that day. I went home and laid >down until the appointment. At one point, i could literally feel and >hear the right frontal open up with an audible whistling type sound, >and the sharp pain immediately stopped. The ENT viewed me thru a scope >and said the areas he worked on via FESS looked good. He also went up >in there and sucked a good bit of goo out of the right frontal. The >diagnosis was that the 2 weeks of levequin i took post op didn’t kill >the infection, and it returned with a vengence. He put me on another >round of meds. This time, it was a prednisone pack, another 2 weeks of >levequin, allegra, and irrigation 4 times daily with a bactroban/saline >mixture. At the end of these 2 weeks, my sinuses felt ‘beat up’. I >had been irrigating so often and on so many meds, as well as still >recovering from the surgery. It was difficult for me to gauge how i >was really doing due to all these external factors. So, i told the ENT >i didn’t feel 100% better and he ran another CT scan. The CT scan >looked VERY clean. My ENT always went over the scans with me on a >laptop, so I got to see with my own eyes how everything looked open. >The conclusion we came to was that the 4 irrigations daily of the >bactroban mixture were causing my sinuses some irritation, but other >than that there was no infection. We chose to stop irrigations for a >period and see how I would do. After a couple of days of no >irrigation, i felt pretty good. My prescription for Allegra ran out, >and since my insurance was requiring a $40 copay for it anyways, i >decided to try claritin which was much cheapter OTC generic. The next >2 weeks I was feeling nice…..until last friday. We were on vacation >in florida and my wife looks over at me and says she felt like she was >getting sick. Alarm bells immediately went off in my head, and I went >to Walgreens and got some irrigation packages. Well, despite taking >all the realistic precautions I could, I sit here today with a sore >throat, a stuffy nose, and a fear of being back in the same boat i >started in. I am irrgating once in the morning and once late evening. >So far, i have seen no real green stuff during irrigations, but I have >been coughing up blobs of green goo regularly. I tend to think they >are coming from my lungs and are not postnasal drip, but I cannot be >totally sure. I guess i’m hoping this is centralized around my chest >and not my head. >Does anyone have any advice on how to handle this? Any extra >steps/remedies/recommendations on how to avoid this turning into >another sinus nightmare? I dread the thought of seemingly beating my 5 >month nightmare only to see it come back two weeks later. I have an >appointment today with my family doc and I think i may request a >zithromax pack (maybe more out of desperation to try something >different than anything else). I have had decent results in the past >with zithromax and sinus congestion, but for whatever reason, my doc >decided to start me out on ceftin way back in april. My wife’s >symptoms are more chest related, and as I said, i am seemingly coughing >up blobs of goo from my chest. If this were only myself feeling sick >OR it was more obviously centralized in my sinuses, i would see my ENT >regarding it. Nonetheless, if my symptoms don’t improve soon, i plan >to see the ENT again. >Here is a quick recap of what’s going on (dates are approximate) — >3/1/05 Got a common cold that develops into >sinusitus……mistakingly try to beat it on my own >4/2/05 See doctor and get 2 weeks of ceftin along with a guaf pill >4/16/05 No improvement with ceftin….doc orders steroid shot to >reduce possible inflammation >4/30/05 No relief with steroid shot. Doc prescribes Avalox for 2 >weeks. >5/14/05 No relief. Scheduled a CT Scan. >5/21/05 Got CT Scan results and an ENT referral >5/28/05 ENT does another scan that indicates bad left frontal and >right maxillary sinusitis. He puts me on levequin, rhinocort aqua, and >allegra for 2 weeks. >6/11/05 ENT does another scan that shows sinusitis actually got worse. > Schedule FESS >6/22/05 Have FESS and 2 weeks post levequin >6/23/05 – 7/6/05 Feel great! >7/7/05 Have a setback as right frontal swells shut (FESS was only in >left frontal area). Have colored discharge thru both sinusus. ENT >prescribes 2 weeks levequin, allegra, prednisone pack, and >saline/bactroban irrigation 4x daily >7/21/05 See ent. Nose feels irritated but otherwise clear. CT Scan >looks great. Ordered to reduce/stop irrigations to test if that led to >irritation. >7/22/05 – 8/4/05 Feel a great deal better. Nose sometimes feels >stuffy, and use claritin on that which works well >8/5/05 Wife informs me she is getting sick. Begin irrigations and >take precautions as necessary. >8/10/05 End up getting sick. Feel awful. Irrigation discharge from >nose clear, however, coughing up green phlegm. Worried sinuses may be >blocked and that is only reason discharge is clear. >I am desperate for anything that could help. This sinusitus has ruined >my summer with my family, and i can’t fathom it coming back again and >ruining the entire year!

I will mostly leave it to others to comment but it seems to me that you are getting too many CT scans. Once every year or two is the most that would normally be taken. They should only be used to look at long-terms trends, not acute situations.repeatedly. The radiation exposure is cumulative and while I would not worry about the number you have had so far, you need to keep a margin for the decades to come. As to your present situation, I do not know much about that kind of repeated acute infection so I will leave that to others. Are you getting enough rest? Could there be another underlying consition such as anemia or low thyroid or poor diet that is affecting your health generally? Try to improve your general level of health and fitness to help you fight off the infections. Avoid allergens such as dust and mold. Normally you should be able to recover fine from where you are….

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Hi all, Sorry for the long post/story……if you want a quick summary of this, check below at the bottom for a quick summary list——- This is my first post to this group, though I have been lurking here for a few years during my battles with sinusitis. These have recently gone from a nuisence to a real problem. I truly sympathize with those in this group that have to live with this nightmare. In march of this year, i developed what was interpreted by myself as a common cold. Before this cold subsided, it developed into sinusitis. The big error on my part was waiting until april to go to a doc. She prescribed 10 days of ceftin. That did absolutely nothing. She then had me come in for a steroid shot which was to act as an antihistimine. This did nothing. Then, i was on 2 weeks of avelox. After the avelox did nothing, i was sent for a CT scan and referred to my ENT. The ENT was worried because the scan showed that my sphenoids were a mess, and, as the scan was about 7 days old at that point, he was concerned if they were still in that bad state. I got another scan which thankfully showed the sphenoids were clear, but still showed my left frontal and right maxillary were a mess. I suspected this, as my left forehead around the eyebrow region has had aches (especially aggravating in the morning) for years. Kind of a ‘dull’ headache i had always lived with. My right ear had been aching me and was clogged, and I have a root-canaled upper right molar that was very sensitive at random times throughout the day for the previous year. Turns out, this molar is thought to be getting referred pain from that bad right maxillary. The ENT put me on 2 weeks of leviquin, allegraD and rhinocort aqua. He also gave me a neilmed sinus rinse kit, that i used twice daily. I had already been doing irrigation. Toward the end of my avelox cycle, i had purchased a NETI pot and was using that. Two weeks went by, and I thought i was feeling a bit better over the last few days of that cycle. But, when the ENT heard I was still having symptoms, he ordered another CT scan. This scan showed that my sinuses were worse that day than 2 weeks earlier! What I still find odd is that during the irrigations (and i was being aggressive), i only saw totally clear discharge. I guess my sinuses were literally closed off. After a talk with the doc, i scheduled FESS, which was done on 6/22. After the FESS, i felt pretty darn good. Yeah, I had the crusting and the associated stuffiness, but it was bearable. But, for the first time i could recently remember, i wasn’t waking up with the headaches on my forehead. Also, that darn tooth pain was gone! On the 14th day after my FESS, i was feeling great….the breating was open, and there was no pain. However, that day while I was at work, I felt a dull stabbing pain around my right ethmoid area. This pain slowly began to magnify, until my right frontal was in excruciating pain. I hadn’t had a sinus headache that bad since i was a teen. What is weird about this is my left frontal had been the one operated on, and i hadn’t felt any pain in my right frontal like that in over 15 years. I immediately called my ENT and got an appointment that day. I went home and laid down until the appointment. At one point, i could literally feel and hear the right frontal open up with an audible whistling type sound, and the sharp pain immediately stopped. The ENT viewed me thru a scope and said the areas he worked on via FESS looked good. He also went up in there and sucked a good bit of goo out of the right frontal. The diagnosis was that the 2 weeks of levequin i took post op didn’t kill the infection, and it returned with a vengence. He put me on another round of meds. This time, it was a prednisone pack, another 2 weeks of levequin, allegra, and irrigation 4 times daily with a bactroban/saline mixture. At the end of these 2 weeks, my sinuses felt ‘beat up’. I had been irrigating so often and on so many meds, as well as still recovering from the surgery. It was difficult for me to gauge how i was really doing due to all these external factors. So, i told the ENT i didn’t feel 100% better and he ran another CT scan. The CT scan looked VERY clean. My ENT always went over the scans with me on a laptop, so I got to see with my own eyes how everything looked open. The conclusion we came to was that the 4 irrigations daily of the bactroban mixture were causing my sinuses some irritation, but other than that there was no infection. We chose to stop irrigations for a period and see how I would do. After a couple of days of no irrigation, i felt pretty good. My prescription for Allegra ran out, and since my insurance was requiring a $40 copay for it anyways, i decided to try claritin which was much cheapter OTC generic. The next 2 weeks I was feeling nice…..until last friday. We were on vacation in florida and my wife looks over at me and says she felt like she was getting sick. Alarm bells immediately went off in my head, and I went to Walgreens and got some irrigation packages. Well, despite taking all the realistic precautions I could, I sit here today with a sore throat, a stuffy nose, and a fear of being back in the same boat i started in. I am irrgating once in the morning and once late evening. So far, i have seen no real green stuff during irrigations, but I have been coughing up blobs of green goo regularly. I tend to think they are coming from my lungs and are not postnasal drip, but I cannot be totally sure. I guess i’m hoping this is centralized around my chest and not my head. Does anyone have any advice on how to handle this? Any extra steps/remedies/recommendations on how to avoid this turning into another sinus nightmare? I dread the thought of seemingly beating my 5 month nightmare only to see it come back two weeks later. I have an appointment today with my family doc and I think i may request a zithromax pack (maybe more out of desperation to try something different than anything else). I have had decent results in the past with zithromax and sinus congestion, but for whatever reason, my doc decided to start me out on ceftin way back in april. My wife’s symptoms are more chest related, and as I said, i am seemingly coughing up blobs of goo from my chest. If this were only myself feeling sick OR it was more obviously centralized in my sinuses, i would see my ENT regarding it. Nonetheless, if my symptoms don’t improve soon, i plan to see the ENT again. Here is a quick recap of what’s going on (dates are approximate) — 3/1/05 Got a common cold that develops into sinusitus……mistakingly try to beat it on my own 4/2/05 See doctor and get 2 weeks of ceftin along with a guaf pill 4/16/05 No improvement with ceftin….doc orders steroid shot to reduce possible inflammation 4/30/05 No relief with steroid shot. Doc prescribes Avalox for 2 weeks. 5/14/05 No relief. Scheduled a CT Scan. 5/21/05 Got CT Scan results and an ENT referral 5/28/05 ENT does another scan that indicates bad left frontal and right maxillary sinusitis. He puts me on levequin, rhinocort aqua, and allegra for 2 weeks. 6/11/05 ENT does another scan that shows sinusitis actually got worse. Schedule FESS 6/22/05 Have FESS and 2 weeks post levequin 6/23/05 – 7/6/05 Feel great! 7/7/05 Have a setback as right frontal swells shut (FESS was only in left frontal area). Have colored discharge thru both sinusus. ENT prescribes 2 weeks levequin, allegra, prednisone pack, and saline/bactroban irrigation 4x daily 7/21/05 See ent. Nose feels irritated but otherwise clear. CT Scan looks great. Ordered to reduce/stop irrigations to test if that led to irritation. 7/22/05 – 8/4/05 Feel a great deal better. Nose sometimes feels stuffy, and use claritin on that which works well 8/5/05 Wife informs me she is getting sick. Begin irrigations and take precautions as necessary. 8/10/05 End up getting sick. Feel awful. Irrigation discharge from nose clear, however, coughing up green phlegm. Worried sinuses may be blocked and that is only reason discharge is clear. I am desperate for anything that could help. This sinusitus has ruined my summer with my family, and i can’t fathom it coming back again and ruining the entire year! Thanks in advance for any responses, Tyler

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Ever want to pour something into your nose to stop Chronic Nasal Infections?

admin — Sat, 02 Jul 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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I have some nights that I wish I could sleep standing up. No stuffy nose during the day….. shirley

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I know what you mean–I’ve had nights where I have to get up, and work out on a ski machine (keep myself moving), in order for my nose to clear. I want bionic nasal passages and sinuses!!

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On 7/2/05 4:13 PM, in article 3iolctFmigr…@individual.net, "Susan" wrote: > I’m too weak to stand during a migraine, unfortunately. I’m usually weak > and wiped out for the entire day.

You see how easily any E mail health advice can be misunderstood and taken the wrong way! I meant to do the shower doily when you are well and hale and hearty, not during a headache.

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"Susan" wrote in message

news:3innfmFlvq95U1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive: yes > Allen L. wrote: > > In news:u0xxe.20355$qm.9448@bignews5.bellsouth.net, > > CanDo typed: > >>After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for > >>decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an > >>anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without > >>killing me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed > >>down, for a few minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a > >>mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. > >>Sinus flooding not only killed my sinus infection, but also has kept > >>me infection free, without having to use antibiotics. > >>. > >>I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that my > >>chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, so the > >>anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected > >>areas were fairly easy to reach. > >>. > >>Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down > >>Sinus Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown > >>. > >>. > >>"If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world" > > You know, CanDo, you sound more and more like a spammer when I read your > > posts. Of course your not ’spamming’, but you don’t really need to keep > > posting this, at least to me, irritating post of *what* worked for you. I > > tried your method and burned the hell out of my nose, and did nothing after > > several tries. > > We, on this group, I believe have read your theory…hopefully it will be > > posted in the FAQ’s so you can stop plugging it every week. Glad it worked > > for you…now please give us a break. > > …Allen > No one appointed you to speak for this group. > The purpose of reposting is so that newer readers will see the > information, which I found very helpful. > Susan

Susan, thanks for the positive feedback. Thanks also for voicing your opinion. The reason you gave, "so that newer readers will see the information", is the main reason why I repost about sinus flooding. I wish I did get more positive feedback and less grouches. But…… the way I figure, if my sinus flooding helps just one more person, then it is well worth continuing the effort. There is so much useless and misleading information on the Internet. One would think that a new option against sinus infection would be warmly received. Thanks again! Enjoy your Fourth of July holiday!

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On 7/3/05 1:30 PM, in article 3ir06mFmh7q…@individual.net, "Susan" wrote: > Did you see the reports just out that showering may cause neuro damage > from inhaling minerals (manganese) in shower mist, though? :-

Not surprised, years ago the clergy was preaching against bathing too.

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Susan wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > Allen L. wrote: >> I’ve seen your posts on this group several times, so you are not *new* >> to the group and I’m sure you may have found the above post by CanDo >> interesting, as I did, when he first posted it for the 1st or 3rd >> time, not the 25th time like some spammer. I’m not the moderator of >> this group, nor are you. > Exactly. This is unmoderated usenet, and reposting non-commercial, > helpful information periodically is perfectly acceptable practice.

The problem with CanDo’s posts, as with all the other posts about "alternative" or home remedies, is that they tend to emphasize only how wonderful the treatment is, without stating any possible caveats or risks. Which forces folks like me to keep replying to his posts, constantly pointing out some caveats. I keep coming back to some common-sense concerns: With over 100 years of otolaryngology, hydrogen peroxide flooding has never become a widely prescribed treatment–not even by "alternative" medicine, AFAIK. So I have to wonder why? What’s wrong with it? What does constant flooding with hydrogen peroxide do to the delicate mucous membranes of the nasopharynx, and to white blood cells and the other natural body defenses? What is the long-term effect of such a treatment? If the body finds it irritating or painful, could this be a warning that it’s not good for you? If "CanDo" has achieved a true medical breakthrough here, he should discuss it with some ENTs and maybe it can go somewhere. But I’m really concerned about putting *anything* into the nasopharynx whose side effects are unknown. And problems can take a long time to show up–after which it may be too late. Look what’s happened with Zicam, for example. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:41:56 -0400, Susan wrote: >I would bet that diluted hydrogen peroxide irrigation, short term, is >the safest of all. Since you routinely advocate aggressive and invasive >diagnostics, I’m puzzled by your concerns about a low risk, inexpensive >treatment we can each evaluate for ourselves. Very curious and puzzled, >in fact.

He just added some cautions, that’s all, and quite properly so……

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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:44:31 -0400, Susan wrote: > x-no-archive: yes >Frankly, most of the >> medical advice I’ve followed in my life from docs at presigious academic >> centers has harmed me. >Prestigious.

It counts for something at least…..

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"Susan" wrote in message

news:3j0nmeFnjgp3U1@individual.net… > x-no-archive: yes > All the treatments we discuss here, self help and non rx’ed, have > potential risks; that’s the bitch about getting sick.

Sarcasm as it’s best! Thanks for the chuckle. > I would bet that diluted hydrogen peroxide irrigation, short term, is > the safest of all. Since you routinely advocate aggressive and invasive > diagnostics, I’m puzzled by your concerns about a low risk, inexpensive > treatment we can each evaluate for ourselves. Very curious and puzzled, > in fact. > Susan

Good comment! Anyone who would take the time to thoroughly read my "upside down sinus flooding" documentation at: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown would notice that I don’t claim that this will cure everyone. I also state that, from the feedback that I have received, hydrogen peroxide seems to sting women worse than men, and suggest that women consider a much more diluted mixture. As far as long term use……. I am against long term use of the sinus flooding with peroxide. Once again, if people would take the time to read the documentation, they would notice that the main objective of the nasal flooding, besides killing whatever germs are in the nasal areas, is to keep nasal wounds free from infection until they heal. Once the nasal wounds are healed there is much less reason to do a peroxide nasal flooding, since the nasal membranes are much less prone to infection. Susan, once again, thanks for your posts. At least you did some research before taking your position. It irks me when people make a significant effort to criticize something that they haven’t taken the time to read. It’s far easier to be critical than to be objective.

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Susan wrote:

> I would bet that diluted hydrogen peroxide irrigation, short term, is > the safest of all. Since you routinely advocate aggressive and invasive > diagnostics, I’m puzzled by your concerns about a low risk, inexpensive > treatment we can each evaluate for ourselves. Very curious and puzzled, > in fact. > Susan

Are you concerned about free radicals being millimeters from your brain? Free radicals can form when catalase breaks down h2o2.

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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 22:32:20 -0400, Susan wrote: >I’m all for discussion, and anyone can add whatever cautions he wants.

Oh ok fair enough,,, >BUT, if the treatment the person is raising piddly, hypothetical >cautions about is far safer, cheaper and accessible at low cost than >those he appears to advocate, it makes me wonder what that’s about.

Steven has helped hundreds of people in this newsgroup in a non-agenda-driven way over many many years…… He does see some benefit in relying on methods and procedures that have been proven by scientific studies, and so do I. In general, that is a less risky route than attempting to do one’s own risk analysis on new methods…..

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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:01:32 -0400, Susan wrote: >Also, AFS and its treatment, frex, is talked about as if it’s a >scientific fact here often, when it is merely a theory, from all I can >find.

Actually I routinely tell people that its broad significance(at least) is just a hypothesis that is not widely accepted, and I’ve seen Steven do the same. But I’m glad we agree on that one! We also caution people routinely about excessive turbinate reduction (which can lead to empty nose syndrome), and (at least on my part) about overuse of the older Caldwell-Luc procedure by some practitioners (although it is still needed sometimes). Septal correction is often overhyped and overdone too. etc. etc. > >In general, that is a less risky >> route than attempting to do one’s own risk analysis on new methods….. >Not really. Honest, I’m not arguing for the sake of being contrary. >One can get very screwed up by accepting risk analyses by medical >practitioners. Especially those with a profitable device or procedure >to sell, or a pet theory to rest a career on, or a study that needs full >enrolment.

Those things can indeed happen. The lay patient needs to be critical but not completely cynical to the point they reject surgery when they really do need it. Unfortunately, we some of the latter here and I think it often leads to people getting no treatment and being in a bad way.. I do agree that the public needs to be *much* more critical about all treatmeants proposed, and get multiple opinions. Again, however, most people do not have time for extensive research on their own. So they have to find some experts to rely on, at least in part.

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"Allen L." wrote in message

news:d3Uxe.100489$PR6.46817@tornado.texas.rr.com… > <> > Seems, you think *all* could be helped with your idea, don’t you? Just to > refresh your memory, this group is *about*and *for* people with sinusitis, > so your above statement covers *all* posts to this group that are on topic, > doesn’t it? You are somewhat restrained…you could post your link to every > new post in the forum that is on topic, now couldn’t you? What has Dr. > Grossan said about your ‘cure’? Why don’t you have the ‘cure’ posted very > visibly in the sinusitis FAQ’s?

Actually, at first I thought that I had discovered a significant cure for sinus infection. At that time, I had little knowledge about the structure of the sinuses, and the fact that many sinus and nasal structures can be deformed. I also found out that the maxillary sinuses are very difficult to reach with sinus flooding. You say that I think that *all* could be helped by my idea. Actually that is partially true. This is the exact post that I have been uploading once per month, just like the post that I had just uploaded here, a day or so ago: <===========================================> <===========================================> Ever want to pour something into your nose to stop Chronic Nasal Infections? After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without killing me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed down, for a few minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. Sinus flooding not only killed my sinus infection, but also has kept me infection free, without having to use antibiotics. . I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that my chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, so the anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected areas were fairly easy to reach. . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown . . "If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world" <=======================================> <=======================================> As you can read, if you would bother to read it, I specifically state that I thought that my problems were related to my turbinates since the infected areas are easier to reach. In my documentation I also specifically state that I am not a health professional, and that I don’t know if sinus flooding, with peroxide, will make someone’s health better, or make someone’s health worse. I would issue the same warning if I suggested that someone go on a diet that includes 100% whole grain. > No distress here, just confusion…you want all of usenet to eventually know > of your ‘discovery’? You mean it cures just about everything? Hey, glad it > worked for you…but give the rest of us a break. Once a month is > plenty…be it a full post or just a link. Post like the rest of us…even > Dr. Grossan, whom I think everyone admires, doesn’t plug his device with > *every* one of his answers!

There are many people who are not computer savvy, and do not know how to look up old posts. That is why I repeat my sinus flooding post once a month, and also respond to specific posts during the month. Most of us go through life, having an impact on just those around us. Most of us would never dream of the possibility of being able to cure someone else’s misery. Most Americans, if they could help others, would. You would not believe the wonderful feeling when I get "thank you" feedback from someone who had been in sinus misery for many years, and have seen significant improvement in their sinus disease. Many had gone through one or more sinus surgeries. Most had lost all hope. I sit back at night and think about those strangers, many of them thousands of miles away, who are also sitting back, but this time, not in sinus pain and misery for the first time in years. And I think about how miserable those strangers would feel right now if I just sat back and did nothing.

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<> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> "Allen L." wrote in message >> news:1NRxe.97763$6g3.32137@tornado.texas.rr.com… >> Posts by CanDo referencing his treatment with H.Peroxide (only a >> small portion… he has 56 or so posts, and all generally listing >> his link to H2O2 treatment, with a partial or full explanation). >> Following are just the most recent, ones with X are full >> descriptions…June was a banner month: >> May 19 >> June 1 X >> June 2 X >> June 5 X >> June 8 X >> June 11 >> June 26 >> July 2 X >> This, and only this, is what started my so called rant…enough is >> enough…once a month, fine, but this many…?? >> Remember, the dates above with the "X" are the full initial >> description of his ‘method’. A little too much, in my honest >> opinion. *Not once a month by any reason*! I’ve not trying to create >> any ‘flame’ wars here…I do thank CanDo for the information…but >> try to get it into the F.A.Q.s and then it will be posted every >> month to all who care to read it. I can realize that is has helped 2 >> or 3 people, but this is not significant or conclusive enough to >> make it a ‘cure’. >> …Allen > In news:oySxe.14795$ho.1281@bignews6.bellsouth.net, >CanDo typed: > Ho Ha!!! You caught me, you sly little devil! > Actually, if you look at all those other posts in June, I was > responding directly to specific posts by someone who might have a > sinus infection problem which I think could be helped with a sinus > flooding.

Seems, you think *all* could be helped with your idea, don’t you? Just to refresh your memory, this group is *about*and *for* people with sinusitis, so your above statement covers *all* posts to this group that are on topic, doesn’t it? You are somewhat restrained…you could post your link to every new post in the forum that is on topic, now couldn’t you? What has Dr. Grossan said about your ‘cure’? Why don’t you have the ‘cure’ posted very visibly in the sinusitis FAQ’s? > Once a month, and ONLY once a month, I religiously post a standard > note about sinus/nasal flooding. I do this in different forums around > the Internet. But……. when someone posts a note asking for help, > and I think that an "upside down sinus flooding" might be able to > help, then I post directly to that note. I am so sorry that my > activity causes you so much distress.

No distress here, just confusion…you want all of usenet to eventually know of your ‘discovery’? You mean it cures just about everything? Hey, glad it worked for you…but give the rest of us a break. Once a month is plenty…be it a full post or just a link. Post like the rest of us…even Dr. Grossan, whom I think everyone admires, doesn’t plug his device with *every* one of his answers! > I know that there are those who post a lot more posts than me. A LOT > MORE. > Checked out the hemorrhoid forum. You might be more interested in > "upside down anal flooding" than in "upside down sinus flooding".

Kindly post a link. I will gladly read it rather that having to read about peroxide’s many wonders flooding this forum by your posts. Oh, and by the way (killfile activated). …Allen

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"Allen L." wrote in message

news:1NRxe.97763$6g3.32137@tornado.texas.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Allen L. wrote: > >> I’ve seen your posts on this group several times, so you are not > >> *new* to the group and I’m sure you may have found the above post by > >> CanDo interesting, as I did, when he first posted it for the 1st or > >> 3rd time, not the 25th time like some spammer. I’m not the moderator > >> of this group, nor are you. > >In news:3io188Fmanv9U1@individual.net, > >Susan typed: > > Exactly. This is unmoderated usenet, and reposting non-commercial, > > helpful information periodically is perfectly acceptable practice. > > I’ve only been here a few months. > >>Allen L. wrote: > >> I am just stating a fact about CanDo’s posts. According to your > >> theory, all posts should be repeated at least every couple of days > >> so new readers won’t miss them? Can you really be serious? That > >> would create a real thrill in finding a really current post now > >> would’t it? …Allen > >Susan wrote: > > Yeah, I’m serious. FAQs are posted frequently, too, to supply helpful > > info to newbies. > > Instead of whining, why not just employ your kill file? > > Susan > This is *why* I posted the first of this so called ‘complaint’ about > recurrent postings of the same ’spam’ type of posting by CanDo…his posts > may be helpful to some, granted, but his ‘pounding’ his info is a form of > spamming the group. Why don’t they put his ‘invention’ in the additives > section of the F.A.Q.’s of alt.support.sinusitis and be *done* with it. The > F.A.Q.s are routinely posted every month with a link, not a diatribe > describing in detail the method, in complete form, cluttering the newsgroup. > Here for anyone’s info, is the *full* treatment and description offered by > CanDo with full explanation marked with an "X" beside the date, the other > dated references are partial explanations of his ‘cure’. This info was found > in the Google Group’s archives. > Posts by CanDo referencing his treatment with H.Peroxide (only a small > portion… he has 56 or so posts, and all generally listing his link to H2O2 > treatment, with a partial or full explanation). > Following are just the most recent, ones with X are full descriptions…June > was a banner month: > May 19 > June 1 X > June 2 X > June 5 X > June 8 X > June 11 > June 26 > July 2 X > This, and only this, is what started my so called rant…enough is > enough…once a month, fine, but this many…?? > Remember, the dates above with the "X" are the full initial description of > his ‘method’. A little too much, in my honest opinion. *Not once a month by > any reason*! I’ve not trying to create any ‘flame’ wars here…I do thank > CanDo for the information…but try to get it into the F.A.Q.s and then it > will be posted every month to all who care to read it. I can realize that is > has helped 2 or 3 people, but this is not significant or conclusive enough > to make it a ‘cure’. > …Allen

Ho Ha!!! You caught me, you sly little devil! Actually, if you look at all those other posts in June, I was responding directly to specific posts by someone who might have a sinus infection problem which I think could be helped with a sinus flooding. Once a month, and ONLY once a month, I religiously post a standard note about sinus/nasal flooding. I do this in different forums around the Internet. But……. when someone posts a note asking for help, and I think that an "upside down sinus flooding" might be able to help, then I post directly to that note. I am so sorry that my activity causes you so much distress. I know that there are those who post a lot more posts than me. A LOT MORE. Checked out the hemorrhoid forum. You might be more interested in "upside down anal flooding" than in "upside down sinus flooding".

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Allen L. wrote: >> I’ve seen your posts on this group several times, so you are not >> *new* to the group and I’m sure you may have found the above post by >> CanDo interesting, as I did, when he first posted it for the 1st or >> 3rd time, not the 25th time like some spammer. I’m not the moderator >> of this group, nor are you. >In news:3io188Fmanv9U1@individual.net, >Susan typed: > Exactly. This is unmoderated usenet, and reposting non-commercial, > helpful information periodically is perfectly acceptable practice. > I’ve only been here a few months. >>Allen L. wrote: >> I am just stating a fact about CanDo’s posts. According to your >> theory, all posts should be repeated at least every couple of days >> so new readers won’t miss them? Can you really be serious? That >> would create a real thrill in finding a really current post now >> would’t it? …Allen >Susan wrote: > Yeah, I’m serious. FAQs are posted frequently, too, to supply helpful > info to newbies. > Instead of whining, why not just employ your kill file? > Susan

This is *why* I posted the first of this so called ‘complaint’ about recurrent postings of the same ’spam’ type of posting by CanDo…his posts may be helpful to some, granted, but his ‘pounding’ his info is a form of spamming the group. Why don’t they put his ‘invention’ in the additives section of the F.A.Q.’s of alt.support.sinusitis and be *done* with it. The F.A.Q.s are routinely posted every month with a link, not a diatribe describing in detail the method, in complete form, cluttering the newsgroup. Here for anyone’s info, is the *full* treatment and description offered by CanDo with full explanation marked with an "X" beside the date, the other dated references are partial explanations of his ‘cure’. This info was found in the Google Group’s archives. Posts by CanDo referencing his treatment with H.Peroxide (only a small portion… he has 56 or so posts, and all generally listing his link to H2O2 treatment, with a partial or full explanation). Following are just the most recent, ones with X are full descriptions…June was a banner month: May 19 June 1 X June 2 X June 5 X June 8 X June 11 June 26 July 2 X This, and only this, is what started my so called rant…enough is enough…once a month, fine, but this many…?? Remember, the dates above with the "X" are the full initial description of his ‘method’. A little too much, in my honest opinion. *Not once a month by any reason*! I’ve not trying to create any ‘flame’ wars here…I do thank CanDo for the information…but try to get it into the F.A.Q.s and then it will be posted every month to all who care to read it. I can realize that is has helped 2 or 3 people, but this is not significant or conclusive enough to make it a ‘cure’. …Allen

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I had thought about posting, about flooding the nasal passages with peroxide, much more than once per month but I wanted to balance my need to get my message out, with the needs of the others who use this informative and helpful newsgroup. You can’t blame me for getting excited about nasal flooding. I’ve had "thank you" responses from a budding actor in New York, whose sinus condition was preventing him from applying his trade, to a teacher in Taiwan, whose chronic sinus infections were making him miserable, to a housewife "somewhere out there" who thanked me for saving her life. I would guess that she had given up, and the nasal flooding worked for her. It doesn’t work for everyone. It works best for sinus infections within the nasal passages, but it also can help those with infections in the sinus cavities by keeping the infection from causing further misery within the nasal passages. For more information: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown See you next month! "afdr9lk" <9e…@dikmd.com> wrote in message

news:kxJxe.3166$8f7.755@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So should we all start posting what helps us once a month? > Susan wrote: > > x-no-archive: yes > > Allen L. wrote: > >> I’ve seen your posts on this group several times, so you are not *new* > >> to the group and I’m sure you may have found the above post by CanDo > >> interesting, as I did, when he first posted it for the 1st or 3rd > >> time, not the 25th time like some spammer. I’m not the moderator of > >> this group, nor are you. > > Exactly. This is unmoderated usenet, and reposting non-commercial, > > helpful information periodically is perfectly acceptable practice. > > I’ve only been here a few months. > > I am just stating a fact about CanDo’s posts. According to your > >> theory, all posts should be repeated at least every couple of days so > >> new readers won’t miss them? Can you really be serious? That would > >> create a real thrill in finding a really current post now would’t it? > >> …Allen > > Yeah, I’m serious. FAQs are posted frequently, too, to supply helpful > > info to newbies. > > Instead of whining, why not just employ your kill file? > > Susan

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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 04:08:48 GMT, afdr9lk <9e…@dikmd.com> wrote: >So should we all start posting what helps us once a month?

You have a point, and in theory I agree with you in an ideal world, but if his motivation is honestly to help people, he is non-commercial, and he is not doing harm, maybe we should let it go. Once a month is.a pretty low frequency. If he were representing his posts as being endorsed by the group as a whole, then I would feel differently. But I do not think he is doing that. I think that most readers are pretty discerning as to what is individual ideas and what is accepted medical science. Unfortunately,a few are not and will fall for every fad notion that comes along. We have hounded some crassly commercial or clearly abusive posters out of the newsgroup, but with the structure as loose as it is, it is really hard to go much beyond that, unless we want to go as far as to adopt a charter and/or go to a moderated group format. If you do feel very strongly about it, then we could start drafting a charter as to what is and what is not acceptable, and see if we could get a consensus on it. But that might be an enormous exercise……

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So should we all start posting what helps us once a month? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Susan wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > Allen L. wrote: >> I’ve seen your posts on this group several times, so you are not *new* >> to the group and I’m sure you may have found the above post by CanDo >> interesting, as I did, when he first posted it for the 1st or 3rd >> time, not the 25th time like some spammer. I’m not the moderator of >> this group, nor are you. > Exactly. This is unmoderated usenet, and reposting non-commercial, > helpful information periodically is perfectly acceptable practice. > I’ve only been here a few months. > I am just stating a fact about CanDo’s posts. According to your >> theory, all posts should be repeated at least every couple of days so >> new readers won’t miss them? Can you really be serious? That would >> create a real thrill in finding a really current post now would’t it? >> …Allen > Yeah, I’m serious. FAQs are posted frequently, too, to supply helpful > info to newbies. > Instead of whining, why not just employ your kill file? > Susan

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On 7/2/05 10:32 AM, in article 3io1d1Fmanv…@individual.net, "Susan" wrote: > I still get an occasional sinus migraine from sleeping with windows > open, but Astelin with Rhinocort and Afrin is now adequate to prevent > symptoms, along with aggressive allergic desensitization. > Susan

Migraine is a spacticity of the blood vessels . If you are getting this from chilling, many persons are helped by measures to reduce blood vessel spasticity. Try shower – hard – to back of neck four minutes while slowly rotating head from side to side. Often this reduces blood vessel spasticity and less migraine.

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On 7/2/05 11:48 AM, in article ViBxe.20881$qm.18…@bignews5.bellsouth.net, "CanDo" wrote: > the first post that I came across was from a girl who had tried peroxide in > a cold water evaporator for her constant throat infections, and it had cured > her throat infections. I bought a cold water evaporator and tried it for a > few weeks, but it did nothing for my sinus infection. I then tried a hot > steam machine with peroxide and that did nothing.

Even the most elementary high school science class can explain that there is no way that peroxide can reach the body via evaporation or steam. What you got was WATER.

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"Murray Grossan" wrote in message

news:BEEC343A.37A2%hydromed@adelphia.net… > On 7/2/05 11:48 AM, in article

ViBxe.20881$qm.18…@bignews5.bellsouth.net, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "CanDo" wrote: > > the first post that I came across was from a girl who had tried peroxide in > > a cold water evaporator for her constant throat infections, and it had cured > > her throat infections. I bought a cold water evaporator and tried it for a > > few weeks, but it did nothing for my sinus infection. I then tried a hot > > steam machine with peroxide and that did nothing. > Even the most elementary high school science class can explain that there is > no way that peroxide can reach the body via evaporation or steam. What you > got was WATER.

As I had written before, what steered me towards using peroxide in my nasal passages was a post from a girl who had tried it in a cold mist evaporator, to cure her throat infection. While that didn’t work for me, it started me experimenting with peroxide in my nasal passages. Even if that original post from that girl was totally incorrect, it was responsible for, not only, effecting a cure for my sinus infection disease, but for curing other people’s sinus infection diseases around the world. I found that original post from Joanna Payne. Thank you Joanna Payne wherever you are! Here is a copy of it: <===================================> Email: joannap…@aol.com <–email address no longer active. Date: Wednesday February 25, 1998 All my life I have had frequent throat infections. In my twenties, it seemed I had one every month, for which I would take antibiotics. My GP referred me to a specialist, who gave me weekly vaccinations for a year. My infections became much less frequent, but more intense and harder to cure. I had to take larger doses of antibiotics for a longer period of time. In a health newsletter I subscribe to, I learned about hydrogen peroxide and bought Dr. William Campbell Douglass’ amazing book, "Hydrogen Peroxide, Medical Miracle." The book is mostly about intravenous H2O2, and if I hadn’t been reading carefully, I would have missed the one sentence about using it in a vaporizer for respiratory infections. I tried it. I used the common 3% variety in the brown bottle that you buy at the supermarket. I diluted it 8 to 1 and put it in a cool mist vaporizer. I used a cool mist because some people think the effectiveness of H2O2 is decreased by boiling, but I also use it in a mini-vaporizer I bought at the health food store, which boils it, and that works, too. Anyway, I don’t have the concern about fungus and bacteria growing in the cool-mist vaporizer, because the H2O2 takes care of that! It does corrode the nebulizer, though, so I make sure to empty the liquid after I’m finished. Results: I have not been back to the doctor for antibiotics since I started using this method. I estimate I have probably had 20 or more infections and every one of them has gone away with this method. If I catch it later than usual, I also gargle with h202, one part water to one part H2O2. It always works for me. Needless to say, I am ecstatic. Everyone else I have shared my story with who decided to try it for themselves has also had success–some with viruses like colds and respiratory flu. Joanna Payne

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"Susan" wrote in message

news:3io1d1Fmanv9U2@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive: yes > CanDo wrote: > > With all the noise that we are subjected to on Newsgroups I did not expect > > someone to be offended by my humble offering. > Maybe he was just having a cranky day. > I added a capful of peroxide to my irrigation solution a few times, and > for the first time in 10 years, the bone around my right ethmoid sinus > doesn’t feel sore and bruised, and I have only clear discharge. > I still get an occasional sinus migraine from sleeping with windows > open, but Astelin with Rhinocort and Afrin is now adequate to prevent > symptoms, along with aggressive allergic desensitization. > Susan

Peroxide is great stuff. Around four years ago, when I first searched through the internet, looking for a cure for my frequent sinus infections, the first post that I came across was from a girl who had tried peroxide in a cold water evaporator for her constant throat infections, and it had cured her throat infections. I bought a cold water evaporator and tried it for a few weeks, but it did nothing for my sinus infection. I then tried a hot steam machine with peroxide and that did nothing. Then……. one night I had it with my sinus misery. I went nuts, and out of frustration, kneeled down into the shower floor and flooded my sinuses with diluted peroxide. I used much too much peroxide to water, and the pain was awful. It completely closed up my sinuses for three full days. I cursed the night that I ever tried it. Obviously, in my mind, I had made my sinus condition worse. But….. after three days, my sinuses opened up and my sinus infection was gone. It was well worth the experiment, but, I think, the next time I want to experiment with the sinuses, I do it with someone else’s sinuses!

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"Susan" wrote in message

Thanks for explaining to all why I post once a month. Even for me it gets frustrating. I’ll go for months without anyone saying that it has helped them. Sometimes I say, "The hell with it. No one is listening anyway!" Then I’ll get an email from someone, or someone will post a reply on a forum somewhere saying that it has helped to save them from a lifetime of misery, or someone like you will post some positive remarks. With all the noise that we are subjected to on Newsgroups I did not expect someone to be offended by my humble offering.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive: yes > Allen L. wrote: >> In news:u0xxe.20355$qm.9448@bignews5.bellsouth.net, >> CanDo typed: >>> After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, >>> for decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an >>> anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without >>> killing me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed >>> down, for a few minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a >>> mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher >>> salt. Sinus flooding not only killed my sinus infection, but also >>> has kept me infection free, without having to use antibiotics. >>> . >>> I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that >>> my chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, >>> so the anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the >>> infected areas were fairly easy to reach. >>> . >>> Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down >>> Sinus Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown >>> . >>> . >>> "If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world" >> You know, CanDo, you sound more and more like a spammer when I read >> your posts. Of course your not ’spamming’, but you don’t really need >> to keep posting this, at least to me, irritating post of *what* >> worked for you. I tried your method and burned the hell out of my >> nose, and did nothing after several tries. >> We, on this group, I believe have read your theory…hopefully it >> will be posted in the FAQ’s so you can stop plugging it every week. >> Glad it worked for you…now please give us a break. >> …Allen >In news:3innfmFlvq95U1@individual.net, >Susan typed: > No one appointed you to speak for this group. > The purpose of reposting is so that newer readers will see the > information, which I found very helpful. > Susan

I’ve seen your posts on this group several times, so you are not *new* to the group and I’m sure you may have found the above post by CanDo interesting, as I did, when he first posted it for the 1st or 3rd time, not the 25th time like some spammer. I’m not the moderator of this group, nor are you. I am just stating a fact about CanDo’s posts. According to your theory, all posts should be repeated at least every couple of days so new readers won’t miss them? Can you really be serious? That would create a real thrill in finding a really current post now would’t it? …Allen

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In news:u0xxe.20355$qm.9448@bignews5.bellsouth.net, CanDo typed: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for > decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an > anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without > killing me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed > down, for a few minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a > mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. > Sinus flooding not only killed my sinus infection, but also has kept > me infection free, without having to use antibiotics. > . > I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that my > chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, so the > anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected > areas were fairly easy to reach. > . > Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down > Sinus Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown > . > . > "If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world"

You know, CanDo, you sound more and more like a spammer when I read your posts. Of course your not ’spamming’, but you don’t really need to keep posting this, at least to me, irritating post of *what* worked for you. I tried your method and burned the hell out of my nose, and did nothing after several tries. We, on this group, I believe have read your theory…hopefully it will be posted in the FAQ’s so you can stop plugging it every week. Glad it worked for you…now please give us a break. …Allen

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After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without killing me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed down, for a few minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. Sinus flooding not only killed my sinus infection, but also has kept me infection free, without having to use antibiotics. . I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that my chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, so the anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected areas were fairly easy to reach. . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown . . "If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world"

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Gum – Sinus Connection?

admin — Mon, 09 May 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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In ideal low-humidity windows-wide-open air, my sinuses improve remarkably (they echo hollowly, not too much drainage). My gums always improve at exactly the same time. (They take on an entirely less irritated tone and sort of smack entirely differently). Which of the following conceiable hypotheses is the likely explanation? (1) Air quality affects the gums also (2) The sinus inflammation that is normally spreads from the maxillary sinuses down to the gums. (3) There is an undetected dental problem that is contributing to the original sinusitis.

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After my dental visits, my sinus/gums feel irritated and congested. When I had my teeth cleaned last Fall the bacteria in my mouth was stirred up for 6 months . I thought I needed RC treatment or an extraction for a tooth. It took 6 months for the pain to go away. I just had a crown put on that tooth. It is okay now. The DDS could not find anything wrong with the tooth or my gums after numerous xrays. I went to my MD, he could not find anything either. shirley

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On Mon, 9 May 2005 04:43:56 -0400, thebagladyshirley…@webtv.net (Shirley Thebaglady) wrote: >After my dental visits, my sinus/gums feel irritated and congested.

Yes well that is fairly normal I think. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When I had my teeth cleaned last Fall the bacteria in my mouth was >stirred up for 6 months . >I thought I needed RC treatment or an extraction for a tooth. It took 6 >months for the pain to go away. I just had a crown put on that tooth. It >is okay now. >The DDS could not find anything wrong with the tooth or my gums after >numerous xrays. I went to my MD, he could not find anything either.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don Brady wrote: > In ideal low-humidity windows-wide-open air, my sinuses improve remarkably > (they echo hollowly, not too much drainage). > My gums always improve at exactly the same time. (They take on an entirely > less irritated tone and sort of smack entirely differently). > Which of the following conceiable hypotheses is the likely explanation? > (1) Air quality affects the gums also > (2) The sinus inflammation that is normally spreads from the maxillary sinuses > down to the gums. > (3) There is an undetected dental problem that is contributing to the original > sinusitis.

Do all your gums improve, or just upper or lower or right or left? — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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On Mon, 09 May 2005 20:04:30 GMT, "Steven L." wrote: >Do all your gums improve, or just upper or lower or right or left?

All of the uppers, especially the right. upper.

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Don Brady wrote: > On Mon, 09 May 2005 20:04:30 GMT, "Steven L." > wrote: >>Do all your gums improve, or just upper or lower or right or left? > All of the uppers, especially the right. upper.

That sounds like referred pain or pressure from the sinuses. Although I have noticed that if my mouth is already irritated (from coughing, for example), air pollution adds to the irritation and makes it feel worse. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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On Mon, 09 May 2005 22:02:08 GMT, "Steven L." wrote: >That sounds like referred pain or pressure from the sinuses. >Although I have noticed that if my mouth is already irritated (from >coughing, for example), air pollution adds to the irritation and makes >it feel worse.

I don’t feel any pain or pressure. I suspect that the inflammation itself can spread to adjacent tissues It is not a big issue for me – I just thought that it was interesting…

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Chronic Sinusitis misery!

admin — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Surgery Scheduled for Thursday

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Laurie, good luck and relax! I know it is hard, the day of my surgery my blood pressure is always up. I ask for Vercid as soon as I get there to help me relax, it works. Glad your mom can be there for you and help with your child too. Keep us posted as to how you are doing. Trudy…What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it’s all about?

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Laurie wrote: > I posted a couple of weeks ago about my upcoming surgery. I am the > single Mommy with bad sinuses! > My pre-op paper list the surgery as: Bilateral Endopscopic > Spheno-Ethmoidectomy > and Maxillary antrostomy. > Not quite sure what all that means!

By now you’ve gotten a good reply from Don Brady. I’ll just add one more thing: The sinus ostia (ducts) that drain the sinuses are quite narrow–as narrow as 2 mm. That makes it difficult for thick mucus to drain the sinuses. The antrostomy will widen the ducts of your maxillaries to as much as 10 mm, facilitating drainage. > I am really dreading the whole thing. > The stress has had my high blood pressure in the 160/90’s and that > can’t be good! He is having me see my primary care Doctor on Tuesday > to get him to assess and perhaps change my medication.

Hey, I was scared too. In my case, I have some other health problems too, and I was worried about how they would impact the surgery. So I discussed all that with my anesthesiologist. As long as your anesthesiologist is aware of your high blood pressure, and he’s aware of any other medical problems you have, you should have no problems with the surgery. But I will be honest with you: The *after-effects* of sinus surgery can be a little messy, and you need to care for your healing sinuses carefully. You should have received instructions from your surgeon as to how to care for your sinuses in post-op recovery. If not, ask! Finally, you’re liable to feel a little weak and tired after the surgery. If your child is at the age where you constantly have to run after him, you may want to ask a friend or relative to help with his care. Good luck! Let us know how it turns out! — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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I posted a couple of weeks ago about my upcoming surgery. I am the single Mommy with bad sinuses! My pre-op paper list the surgery as: Bilateral Endopscopic Spheno-Ethmoidectomy and Maxillary antrostomy. Not quite sure what all that means! My Doctor expects surgery will take 3-5 hours. He told me that he has not packed a patient in 10 years. He says he uses a substance that is like "Jello" that is removed post-op. He tells me that with that I should have less pain. He also explained that the sinuses nearest my eyes may have invaded the bone, and that could cause problems. The left ethmoid is extrmely small and he feels he will probably leave it alone, but clean out the right side. He said messing with it could be a major mistake (brain, carotid artery) I had to hear about all the risks involved again, this time for the benefit of my Mom who went to the pre-op appointment last Wednesday. She walked out of his office terrified. I told the Doctor, "just don’t let me die!!!!", he reassured me he had never lost a patient in surgery before. I had a terrible time last week with headaches. I have started Predisone for the 5 days prior to surgery. The plan is still to spend one night in the hospital, just in case I have complications. I am really dreading the whole thing. The stress has had my high blood pressure in the 160/90’s and that can’t be good! He is having me see my primary care Doctor on Tuesday to get him to assess and perhaps change my medication. Thanks for listening once again! Laurie Mommy 2 Cody

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On 25 Sep 2004 22:35:16 -0700, teddyb…@peoplepc.com (Laurie) wrote: >My pre-op paper list the surgery as: Bilateral Endopscopic >Spheno-Ethmoidectomy

Opening up the sphenoid and ethmoid sinuses (around and behind the eyes – see www.sinuses.com for locations) >and Maxillary antrostomy.

Opening up the maxillary (cheek) sinuses. >Not quite sure what all that means!

See above. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My Doctor expects surgery will take 3-5 hours. >He told me that he has not packed a patient in 10 years. He says he >uses a substance that is like "Jello" that is removed post-op. >He tells me that with that I should have less pain. >He also explained that the sinuses nearest my eyes may have invaded >the bone, and that could cause problems. The left ethmoid is extrmely >small and he feels he will probably leave it alone, but clean out the >right side. >He said messing with it could be a major mistake (brain, carotid >artery) ….. >I had a terrible time last week with headaches. I have started >Predisone for the 5 days prior to surgery. >The plan is still to spend one night in the hospital, just in case I >have complications.

That all sounds good… >The stress has had my high blood pressure in the 160/90’s and that >can’t be good!

Those levels are not a problem really on a very short-term basis. Be sure to get them down afterward…. Good luck!

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Laurie, Best of luck to you. I found some information on Maxillary anstrostomy that may be helpful to you – here it is: ********** Antrostomy Description The surgical creation of a hole in the lateral nasal wall between the nasal passages and the sinus cavity in the cheek bone (the maxillary antrum). Anatomy and Physiology The sinus in the cheek bone (the Maxillary Antrum) lies below the eye and has the upper tooth roots in the bone of its floor. It should drain mucus and be ventilated via a small hole (the ostium) in the angle between the floor of the eye socket and outer wall of the nasal cavity. If this is blocked by mucous membrane swelling or a polyp mucus will accumulate and oxygen levels will drop. This allows the overgrowth of bacteria which are usually there but kept in check by being washed out in the mucus which normally escapes into the nasal passages. A sinus infection (sinusitis) results. Sinusitis may also result when a dental infection bursts into the sinus from below. Indications The creation of an antrostomy is indicated to allow drainage of pus and to reestablish normal mucus flow and ventilation of the sinus hopefully leading to resolution of the infection. It is also occasionally used to allow the biopsy or removal of a tumor or swelling within the sinus. Anaesthetic Although possible under local anaesthetic this procedure is usually done under a general anaesthetic Surgical Technique The outer wall of the nose has three folds of mucous membrane covered bone, the turbinates or conchae, looking not unlike old fashioned curtain pelmets and lying horizontally one above each other. The lower one (the inferior turbinate) covers a part of the outer nasal wall called the inferior meatus. Above this the middle turbinate covers the middle meatus and above the middle turbinate the superior turbinate covers the superior meatus. Traditionally an antrostomy is made in the inferior meatus by removing bone and mucous membrane, having first temporarily swung the inferior turbinate up and out of the way. More recently it has become more usual to create an antrostomy in the middle meatus effectively enlarging the natural ostium or drainage hole. It is felt that this is more likely to result in re establishment of natural patterns of mucus flow than an inferior meatal antrostomy. Length of Operation A simple antrostomy takes only a few minutes to perform, although it is often just part of a more complex sinus operation. Time in Hospital – This is a virtually painless procedure post operatively and is often carried out on a day case basis, unless part of a more complex procedure. Postoperative care may involve medical treatment of the underlying infection and nasal douches or steam inhalations to help promote drainage of secretions. Time off Work (limitations) Forceful nose blowing, strenuous exercise and exposure to be dust are to avoided for 2 weeks or until all signs of infection disappear. Risks and Complications Inferior meatal antrostomies may be associated with brisk nose bleeding at the time of surgery and occasionally with some diminished sensation in the upper teeth. Persistent infection despite apparent sinus drainage has been described by several authors and attributed to the unnatural pattern of mucus drainage causing a tendency to reinfection of the sinus by infected mucus re entering the sinus via the antrostomy. Most inferior meatal antrostomies will close after 3 to 5 years. Middle meatal antrostomy requires removal of bone closer to the eye socket and hence there is a greater risk of damage to the eye socket and its contents, although in practice this is extremely rare. Most middle meatal antrostomies remain open. Outcome and Prognosis Most antrostomies and in particular middle meatal antrostomies cause resolution of maxillary sinusitis. Occasionally infection persists particularly in the presence of congenital abnormalities of mucus flow eg Cystic fibrosis and those patients with a tendency to formation of nasal polyps. On 25 Sep 2004 22:35:16 -0700, teddyb…@peoplepc.com (Laurie) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I posted a couple of weeks ago about my upcoming surgery. I am the >single Mommy with bad sinuses! >My pre-op paper list the surgery as: Bilateral Endopscopic >Spheno-Ethmoidectomy >and Maxillary antrostomy. >Not quite sure what all that means! >My Doctor expects surgery will take 3-5 hours. >He told me that he has not packed a patient in 10 years. He says he >uses a substance that is like "Jello" that is removed post-op. >He tells me that with that I should have less pain. >He also explained that the sinuses nearest my eyes may have invaded >the bone, and that could cause problems. The left ethmoid is extrmely >small and he feels he will probably leave it alone, but clean out the >right side. >He said messing with it could be a major mistake (brain, carotid >artery) >I had to hear about all the risks involved again, this time for the >benefit of my Mom who went to the pre-op appointment last Wednesday. >She walked out of his office terrified. >I told the Doctor, "just don’t let me die!!!!", he reassured me he had >never lost a patient in surgery before. >I had a terrible time last week with headaches. I have started >Predisone for the 5 days prior to surgery. >The plan is still to spend one night in the hospital, just in case I >have complications. >I am really dreading the whole thing. >The stress has had my high blood pressure in the 160/90’s and that >can’t be good! He is having me see my primary care Doctor on Tuesday >to get him to assess and perhaps change my medication. >Thanks for listening once again! >Laurie >Mommy 2 Cody

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Couple of questions

admin — Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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"Pamdomania" <7957…@127.0.0.1:7501> wrote in message

news:416974ef$1_1@galaxy.uncensored-news.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "ARoberts" wrote: > >> Hello, > >> Because i can? > >> Because God has given me a "calling"? > >Sorry, I didn’t realize that you were a Messenger Of God. Now I can factor > >that into anything else that you post. > >> Because i read it somewhere on the Information Highway, > >> and now forget where and cannot give you the link of proof? > >At least you have quoted an authoratative source. > >> I guess now i better go find it, as i am your mother and > >> must do everything for the little baby that can do nothing > >> for himself, and who discredits anyone else who can do via > >> the use of their experienced, educated, trained, skills . . . > >The mother discredits herself by giving birth to misinformation, and there > >is no evidence of her education or skills… > Hello, > Howcome you never answer any of my questions?

Here is an answer: Because you are an uninformed, self-aggrandizing bigot. > Howcome youhave already decided it is "misinformation"?

Because it is at odds with accepted and evalutated medical practices. > Howcome you also know nothing about religion?

How do you know that I don’t? Because I doubt you, the savior? > Howcome you are posting off-topic and sticking > your nose in my personal business?

Your personal business ceases to be personal when you post it here. > Howcome you need to see a person’s pedigree > or degree before you think they have any worth?

I haven’t asked for either from you (it’s already obvious that you have none). But if someone with such credentials were spouting such nonsense as you, I’d think that their opinons were worthless as well. > When the father of the lie, Satan, comes up to > you and hands you his doctorate, you will follow > him, and guess where you will wind up (:

Probably at your house. > "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6

In that case, you are probably not faring too well…

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> Hello, > Because i can? > Because God has given me a "calling"?

Sorry, I didn’t realize that you were a Messenger Of God. Now I can factor that into anything else that you post. > Because i read it somewhere on the Information Highway, > and now forget where and cannot give you the link of proof?

At least you have quoted an authoratative source. > I guess now i better go find it, as i am your mother and > must do everything for the little baby that can do nothing > for himself, and who discredits anyone else who can do via > the use of their experienced, educated, trained, skills . . .

The mother discredits herself by giving birth to misinformation, and there is no evidence of her education or skills…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"ARoberts" wrote: >> Hello, >> Because i can? >> Because God has given me a "calling"? >Sorry, I didn’t realize that you were a Messenger Of God. Now I can factor >that into anything else that you post. >> Because i read it somewhere on the Information Highway, >> and now forget where and cannot give you the link of proof? >At least you have quoted an authoratative source. >> I guess now i better go find it, as i am your mother and >> must do everything for the little baby that can do nothing >> for himself, and who discredits anyone else who can do via >> the use of their experienced, educated, trained, skills . . . >The mother discredits herself by giving birth to misinformation, and there >is no evidence of her education or skills…

Hello, Howcome you never answer any of my questions? Howcome youhave already decided it is "misinformation"? Howcome you also know nothing about religion? Howcome you are posting off-topic and sticking your nose in my personal business? Howcome you need to see a person’s pedigree or degree before you think they have any worth? When the father of the lie, Satan, comes up to you and hands you his doctorate, you will follow him, and guess where you will wind up (: + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/benjamin.htm MustRead! http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 ___________________________________________________________________________ ____ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><>

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The CT scan easily differentiates a cyst that is eroding the bone, from a mucocele from a polyp. We do not operate when the findings are harmless, we do when they are harmful. This is a judgment that must be made on each individual patient. Unfortunately some use the same terms for each of these conditions. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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"Unfortunately some use the same terms for each of these conditions." Therein lies my confusion. Can you clarify for me then or send me a link to the difference in cysts, mucoceles, polyps, tumors? I have heard them all referred to as the same/different depending on the ENT. Thanks in advance. Trudy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"ARoberts" wrote: >"Don Brady" wrote in message >news:ivlem0t5cg5qk5vkqhipn9ld1efmu7hrcc@4ax.com… >> On 8 Oct 2004 23:09:13 GMT, "Pamdomania" <7957…@127.0.0.1:7501> wrote: >> >Hello, >> >CT scan no good, because it often doesnot show up the >> >calcification. MRI is what you should be using. I go >> >to Docs. that never use any of that high class stuff, >> >they use their brains and skills instead. >> Dr. Grossan has said on several occasions that CT scans are more useful. >So has my ENT, so why does this person post so much misinformation so >assertively?

Hello, Because i can? Because God has given me a "calling"? Because i read it somewhere on the Information Highway, and now forget where and cannot give you the link of proof? I guess now i better go find it, as i am your mother and must do everything for the little baby that can do nothing for himself, and who discredits anyone else who can do via the use of their experienced, educated, trained, skills . . . + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/benjamin.htm MustRead! http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 ___________________________________________________________________________ ____ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><>

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Thank you Steven! I was going to tell him to see another ENT also as my "retention cysts" turned out to be mucoceles also and as you know from my previous posts the left maxillary mucocele literally broke out my orbit floor. They might be benign right now but what happens when they grow, unbeknownst to him right into his orbit floor or cheekbone? Trudy.

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Agreeing again. I was sure the ENT would use a scope to see inside to get a better idea of what was going on. I had many surgeries like others on this board and as for the polyps, sinus disease have fare very well, it was the cysts that caused all of my ongoing problems right now…five surgeries later. If I had known they were in there, eroding bone and destroying my sinus I would have definately acted sooner. I agree with the allergy testing too, you might find the cause of the initial problem, but a good look inside needs to be done. I have had ten CT scans in the past year…some showing the mucoceles back, some not…so I don’t rely too much on their merit. Trudy.

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entconsult, I am really glad you were not my ENT when the cyst turned into a deadly little bugger that wore away my orbit floor, caused periorbital cellulitis and has ruined my life the past three years. There is another one in my right maxillary that is now causing damage and has to come out. How can you say cysts are nothing? Do you differentiate them from mucoceles or am I missing something here? Trudy.

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iamthezookeeper wrote: > I have had ten CT scans in the past > year…

From what my ENT told me, that’s too much radiation. You don’t want to microwave your brain. My ENT won’t let me take more than one CT scan every 6 months. Usually he doesn’t even want to do that many. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 19:13:51 GMT, "Steven D. Litvintchouk" wrote: >iamthezookeeper wrote: >> I have had ten CT scans in the past >> year… > From what my ENT told me, that’s too much radiation. You don’t want to >microwave your brain. >My ENT won’t let me take more than one CT scan every 6 months. Usually >he doesn’t even want to do that many.

I was told that the science says that it is actually lifetime-to-date cumulative exposure that is the risk factor, not frequency of scan. Of course, they are highly correlated……

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don Brady wrote: >On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 19:13:51 GMT, "Steven D. Litvintchouk" > wrote: >>iamthezookeeper wrote: >>> I have had ten CT scans in the past >>> year… >> From what my ENT told me, that’s too much radiation. You don’t want to >>microwave your brain. >>My ENT won’t let me take more than one CT scan every 6 months. Usually >>he doesn’t even want to do that many. >I was told that the science says that it is actually lifetime-to-date >cumulative exposure that is the risk factor, not frequency of scan. >Of course, they are highly correlated……

Hello, CT scan no good, because it often doesnot show up the calcification. MRI is what you should be using. I go to Docs. that never use any of that high class stuff, they use their brains and skills instead. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/benjamin.htm MustRead! http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 ___________________________________________________________________________ ____ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><>

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David wrote: > thanks for your replies Steven & Pam, > I would be more concerned with my ENT if the first word out of his > mouth was "surgery" Im sure I could go to several ENTs and find one > that said "you need surgery"

I’m more concerned that your ENT didn’t even use an endoscope to take a look inside your nasopharynx. If your ENT is one of those who puts blind faith in CT scans, watch out. Even CT scans have a small percentage of false negative results. My CT scans didn’t show any of the problems that my surgeon located in the two surgeries I had. > Ive heard a lots of people say the > surgery didnt help them and actually made them worse, including one of > my brothers.

I would like to call your attention to an 8-year study conducted by the Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit back in 1997, to do long-term followup of patients who had surgery. Some 80% of patients who had surgery were completely cured. But I agree, you should always try all possible options. > I think I need to let my current ENT see the results of my blood tests > and allergy testing and then see what he thinks before heading off for > more opinions. Ill let you know what he has to say about all the > results. > The referral to an ENT was made by my family doctor of 30 years after > 3-4 appointments in September trying to treat whatever it is that I > have. > How did your surgery go Steven?

My surgery went very well, but I picked up a post-operative infection–just like I did the last time I had sinus surgery in 1997. The sudden onset combined with the slow clearing suggests that it’s viral. In that case, I just have to tough it out. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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Allergy as such does not cause the symptoms you describe. But the blood tests might point the way to a systemic problem. what about the teeth and gums? This is a most common source of "chronic infection". Don’t forget the urine either. Many here have reported answers when they went to an infection specialist. sounds like your doctor is on the ball – cysts are of little importance and he didn’t perform any unnecessary procedures. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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"Don Brady" wrote in message

news:ivlem0t5cg5qk5vkqhipn9ld1efmu7hrcc@4ax.com… > On 8 Oct 2004 23:09:13 GMT, "Pamdomania" <7957…@127.0.0.1:7501> wrote: > >Hello, > >CT scan no good, because it often doesnot show up the > >calcification. MRI is what you should be using. I go > >to Docs. that never use any of that high class stuff, > >they use their brains and skills instead. > Dr. Grossan has said on several occasions that CT scans are more useful.

So has my ENT, so why does this person post so much misinformation so assertively?

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On 8 Oct 2004 23:09:13 GMT, "Pamdomania" <7957…@127.0.0.1:7501> wrote: >Hello, >CT scan no good, because it often doesnot show up the >calcification. MRI is what you should be using. I go >to Docs. that never use any of that high class stuff, >they use their brains and skills instead.

Dr. Grossan has said on several occasions that CT scans are more useful.

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David wrote: > Hi folks > So I went to a well respected ENT here in central Texas. He looked at > my ct scan and didnt see any significant problems. Slightly deviated > septum, a retention cyst in each maxillary sinus – "not blocking > anything, dont worry about it", no inflammation in the sinus’. > . . . . > Any comments?

Yep. I suggest you take the CT scan films and make an appointment to see a couple more ENTs. At least a second opinion, and maybe even a third or fourth opinion. Because in my case, I had a "well-respected ENT" swear that the cyst in my ethmoid sinus was harmless too. But when I found another ENT willing to do surgery, he found a pus-filled mucocele hiding in there that hadn’t shown up on the CT scan, and neither the "well-respected ENT" nor my surgeon who operated on me ever expected it to be hiding in there. Fortunately, my surgeon was willing to diagnose me with needing surgery based on my symptoms and medical history–not on what the CT scan showed or failed to show. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -aztec…@yahoo.com (David) wrote: >Hi folks >So I went to a well respected ENT here in central Texas. He looked at >my ct scan and didnt see any significant problems. Slightly deviated >septum, a retention cyst in each maxillary sinus – "not blocking >anything, dont worry about it", no inflammation in the sinus’. He >didnt even use an endoscope, so I guess my CTscan was proof enough to >him that I had no "major" problems. He is running blood tests because >of my symptoms and I am to have allergy testing next week. I took >allergy shots 30 years ago for a few years. >I have always had allergy problems, so they will probably find a bunch >of stuff. Im just wondering if allergies could be causing all of my >symptoms – fatigue, headaches, woozy, flush, and slightly elevated >temperatures in the evening ( 98.9 -99.2)? If they can, I dont ever >remember them being this severe and long lasting although we have had >explosive amounts of ragweed pollen in our air the last 6 weeks – >thats about when my symptoms started. Im ready for some answers for >this crap. >Any comments? >Thanks for your responses, >David

Hello, Maybe you have a low-grade sinus infection. If you have a family Doc. start there, and let him decide where to send you. Donot confuse the issue with your allergy, however do mention it. The improtant thing is your low-grade temperature and ailments. You have a low-grade fevour and that is bad. Again: donot get too hung-up on allergy "symptoms", because something is CAUSING them- probably Candida. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"iamthezookeeper" wrote in message … >> "What should I expect at the ENT?" >> That will depend on your ENT. My appointments consist of first getting my >> nose sprayed with a decongestant…then a numbing solution is sprayed in >> and I wait for those to take effect. My ENT uses a soft-scope attached to >> a TV screen and scopes throughout the sinus to see >> disease/polyps/infection. He then uses a rigi-scope with a suctioning >> device to clear out all of my sinus cavities. I get this each visit. Let >> us know what happens. Trudy.

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thanks for your replies Steven & Pam, I would be more concerned with my ENT if the first word out of his mouth was "surgery" Im sure I could go to several ENTs and find one that said "you need surgery" Ive heard a lots of people say the surgery didnt help them and actually made them worse, including one of my brothers. I think I need to let my current ENT see the results of my blood tests and allergy testing and then see what he thinks before heading off for more opinions. Ill let you know what he has to say about all the results. The referral to an ENT was made by my family doctor of 30 years after 3-4 appointments in September trying to treat whatever it is that I have. How did your surgery go Steven? David "Steven D. Litvintchouk" wrote in message … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> David wrote: > > Hi folks > > So I went to a well respected ENT here in central Texas. He looked at > > my ct scan and didnt see any significant problems. Slightly deviated > > septum, a retention cyst in each maxillary sinus – "not blocking > > anything, dont worry about it", no inflammation in the sinus’. > > . . . . > > Any comments? > Yep. I suggest you take the CT scan films and make an appointment to > see a couple more ENTs. At least a second opinion, and maybe even a > third or fourth opinion. > Because in my case, I had a "well-respected ENT" swear that the cyst in > my ethmoid sinus was harmless too. But when I found another ENT willing > to do surgery, he found a pus-filled mucocele hiding in there that > hadn’t shown up on the CT scan, and neither the "well-respected ENT" nor > my surgeon who operated on me ever expected it to be hiding in there. > Fortunately, my surgeon was willing to diagnose me with needing surgery > based on my symptoms and medical history–not on what the CT scan showed > or failed to show.

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On 7 Oct 2004 09:56:47 -0700, aztec…@yahoo.com (David) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi folks >So I went to a well respected ENT here in central Texas. He looked at >my ct scan and didnt see any significant problems. Slightly deviated >septum, a retention cyst in each maxillary sinus – "not blocking >anything, dont worry about it", no inflammation in the sinus’. He >didnt even use an endoscope, so I guess my CTscan was proof enough to >him that I had no "major" problems. He is running blood tests because >of my symptoms and I am to have allergy testing next week. I took >allergy shots 30 years ago for a few years. >I have always had allergy problems, so they will probably find a bunch >of stuff. Im just wondering if allergies could be causing all of my >symptoms – fatigue, headaches, woozy, flush, and slightly elevated >temperatures in the evening ( 98.9 -99.2)? If they can, I dont ever >remember them being this severe and long lasting although we have had >explosive amounts of ragweed pollen in our air the last 6 weeks – >thats about when my symptoms started. Im ready for some answers for >this crap.

Conceivably but I would see a good internist to rule out other things…

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"What should I expect at the ENT?" That will depend on your ENT. My appointments consist of first getting my nose sprayed with a decongestant…then a numbing solution is sprayed in and I wait for those to take effect. My ENT uses a soft-scope attached to a TV screen and scopes throughout the sinus to see disease/polyps/infection. He then uses a rigi-scope with a suctioning device to clear out all of my sinus cavities. I get this each visit. Let us know what happens. Trudy.

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On 22 Sep 2004 07:58:52 -0700, aztec…@yahoo.com (David) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi folks >About 4 weeks ago, I had a congested ear with a little ache, and >several spells of vertigo. MY GP gave me amoxycillin and said I >probably had some sinus infection also. The amoxycillin didnt do >much good, switched to Cipro along with a cortisone shot. I felt >like the cipro was making me sicker and started having sinus type >headaches around my eyes and forehead, then switched to Augmentin >the last two weeks. Not much improvement other than milder >headaches – seems like the antibiotics and decongestants are making >me feel worse and listless. I never had discolored sinus drainage, >but I was fairly congested several days before all of this started. >Ragweed is very much in bloom here and I also have allergies. >Anyway, I had a CT scan of the sinus Friday. It showed no infection >or polyps, just "mild inflammation of a maxillary sinus". The >substitute GP filling in for my regular told me I should probably >see an ENT. I couldnt get an appointment until next week. I usually >have some sinus trouble once or twice a year, but it hasnt ever gone >on this long and it hasnt involved my ear. >I’ve read that after an infection clears, inflammation can continue >for some time?

You don’t even have to have an infection, you can just have inflammation. >How much of the fatigue, headaches could be caused by the >antibiotics and decongestants?

It’s possible. >Could the allergens be causing the inflammation or contributing to >it?

They very probably are. Sinusitis usually has more than one contributing cause. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->What should I expect at the ENT? Ive never been to one. >Should I continue taking antibiotics until I see the ENT even though >the CT scan showed no infection? >Thanks for your replies, >David

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Hi folks So I went to a well respected ENT here in central Texas. He looked at my ct scan and didnt see any significant problems. Slightly deviated septum, a retention cyst in each maxillary sinus – "not blocking anything, dont worry about it", no inflammation in the sinus’. He didnt even use an endoscope, so I guess my CTscan was proof enough to him that I had no "major" problems. He is running blood tests because of my symptoms and I am to have allergy testing next week. I took allergy shots 30 years ago for a few years. I have always had allergy problems, so they will probably find a bunch of stuff. Im just wondering if allergies could be causing all of my symptoms – fatigue, headaches, woozy, flush, and slightly elevated temperatures in the evening ( 98.9 -99.2)? If they can, I dont ever remember them being this severe and long lasting although we have had explosive amounts of ragweed pollen in our air the last 6 weeks – thats about when my symptoms started. Im ready for some answers for this crap. Any comments? Thanks for your responses, David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"iamthezookeeper" wrote in message … > "What should I expect at the ENT?" > That will depend on your ENT. My appointments consist of first getting my > nose sprayed with a decongestant…then a numbing solution is sprayed in > and I wait for those to take effect. My ENT uses a soft-scope attached to > a TV screen and scopes throughout the sinus to see > disease/polyps/infection. He then uses a rigi-scope with a suctioning > device to clear out all of my sinus cavities. I get this each visit. Let > us know what happens. Trudy.

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Hi folks About 4 weeks ago, I had a congested ear with a little ache, and several spells of vertigo. MY GP gave me amoxycillin and said I probably had some sinus infection also. The amoxycillin didnt do much good, switched to Cipro along with a cortisone shot. I felt like the cipro was making me sicker and started having sinus type headaches around my eyes and forehead, then switched to Augmentin the last two weeks. Not much improvement other than milder headaches – seems like the antibiotics and decongestants are making me feel worse and listless. I never had discolored sinus drainage, but I was fairly congested several days before all of this started. Ragweed is very much in bloom here and I also have allergies. Anyway, I had a CT scan of the sinus Friday. It showed no infection or polyps, just "mild inflammation of a maxillary sinus". The substitute GP filling in for my regular told me I should probably see an ENT. I couldnt get an appointment until next week. I usually have some sinus trouble once or twice a year, but it hasnt ever gone on this long and it hasnt involved my ear. I’ve read that after an infection clears, inflammation can continue for some time? How much of the fatigue, headaches could be caused by the antibiotics and decongestants? Could the allergens be causing the inflammation or contributing to it? What should I expect at the ENT? Ive never been to one. Should I continue taking antibiotics until I see the ENT even though the CT scan showed no infection? Thanks for your replies, David

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Sinusitis and dental implants?

admin — Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi Steve… Your mention of zinc oxide sort of sounds odd for dentistry. …You sure you don’t mean zinc phosphate? …Jon

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J. Griffin wrote: > Hello, > A friend of mine had dental implants several months ago. Now, he has > maxillary sinusitis on both sides. He has a very bad cough especially > at night and chest tightness. He’s never had anything like this in > the past. Anyone have any thoughts on whether or not the implants > could be the root of his problem?

About 10% of sinusitis cases may be of dental origin. Caused by infection that penetrates the upper molars and enters the maxillary sinuses. OTOH, it could also be an allergy to something in the dental implant. Long before I developed sinusitis, I once got a very bad cough that started a few days after my dentist put in a temporary crown in my left upper molar. It turned out I was allergic to the cement (Eugenol). Switching to a different cement (zinc oxide) eliminated the cough within hours. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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Hello, A friend of mine had dental implants several months ago. Now, he has maxillary sinusitis on both sides. He has a very bad cough especially at night and chest tightness. He’s never had anything like this in the past. Anyone have any thoughts on whether or not the implants could be the root of his problem? Thanks, Jeanne

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jgriff…@yahoo.com (J. Griffin) wrote: >Hello, >A friend of mine had dental implants several months ago. Now, he has >maxillary sinusitis on both sides. He has a very bad cough especially >at night and chest tightness. He’s never had anything like this in >the past. Anyone have any thoughts on whether or not the implants >could be the root of his problem? >Thanks, >Jeanne

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Sinus surgery?!!

admin — Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Well tomorrow will be four weeks since my first and hopefuly last sinus surgery. I have just noticed this past week and a half how much better I am feeling. I am not fatigued, very little sinus pain (headaches) if at all anymore, still have a little congestion, but I think that is due to the fluctuating weather. I had my septum repaired too, my nose is still a bit sore from that but otherwise things are going well. I would definately get a second opinion to see what your options are. Also surgery could very well be more than 10,000. I just got just the hospital statement, its was 13,000. Then on top of that I have statements coming in from labs where they examined the biopsied tissues. Haven’t gotten the doctor bill yet for the surgery but all in all I have good insurance that will cover almost all of it, so seek out a doctor that is willing to help you find a way to solve the problem, and willing to find a solution beside surgery just yet.

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On 30 Mar 2003 08:58:06 -0800, rjtha…@mtco.com (Russell Thames) wrote: >What are the >phisical reprocussions of postponing the surgery until my wife gets >back to >work with group insurance which could be 6 to 8 months?

Ask your doctor but 6 to 8 months could still be a reasonable amount of time. I don’t know who your surgeon is or how you selected him, so I can’t say whether surgery with him is a good idea or not, but it certainly can be helpful if done by the right surgeon.

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Are you sure about the $10,000….God,this seems excessive!! Kindest personal regards:- RAY THE TRAVELLIN’ MAN Let’s Keep Music Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive!!!! "Sue milham" wrote in message

news:20030330121539.08861.00000007@mb-cd.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Russell, my surgery 8 years ago to open up the channels a little and remove > built up gunk, didn’t seem to effect my symptoms at all. Only over a course of > time have I been able to control my sinusitis with mostly use of daily nasal > steroid. Some work better than others, so you could try some different brands. > How do you know you had an infection? I don’t know what it means that a Ct > scan would show sinusitis? Does "bilateral ethmoidectomies and > maxillary astrostomies" mean removal? That could cause you more problems. If > it were me, I would wait for the other insurance to come into effect, as you > may have more continuing expenses besides just the surgery. If you get better > in summer, it is coming up and will last thru the 6 to 8 months you state. My > doc does not do multiple surgeries. I suggest you get another opinion. > rjtha…@mtco.com (Russell Thames) wrote: > In october of 02 I came down with a severe sinus infection.For the > past two > years I have had chronic post nasal drip with the only real symptom > being > excessive throat clearing.My ent diagnosis was chronic post nasal drip > due > to allergic changes and a touch of acid reflux.My meds were steroid > nose spray > and nexium but neither seemed to help.My symptoms were tolerable and > somewhat > intermittent with most improvement in the summer.I have never had a > sinus > infection like this.Maybe 1 acute per year but always a lingering > cough with > post nasal drip(clear or cloudy transparent mucus)that lasted several > months. > Now after nearly 6 months my infection still lingers.Four courses of > antibiotics,nose spray,prednisolone,irrigation twice a > day,vitamins,and > still the congestion,coughing,pressure,dull headaches persist.Surely > someone > has something positive to say about bilateral ethmoidectomies and > maxillary > astrostomies.I have yet to hear of anyone that didn,t have multiple > surgeries. > My CT scan showed significant sinus disease i.e.chronic ethmoidal and > maxillary > sinusitis.My ent says there is no guarantees .I hope the surgery is > $10,000 > well spent as it will be a financial setback for my > family(pre-existing condition).Any thoughts,positive feedback,opinions > or suggestions?What are the > phisical reprocussions of postponing the surgery until my wife gets > back to > work with group insurance which could be 6 to 8 months? Thanks Russ > >>

> Sue M.

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Russell, my surgery 8 years ago to open up the channels a little and remove built up gunk, didn’t seem to effect my symptoms at all. Only over a course of time have I been able to control my sinusitis with mostly use of daily nasal steroid. Some work better than others, so you could try some different brands. How do you know you had an infection? I don’t know what it means that a Ct scan would show sinusitis? Does "bilateral ethmoidectomies and maxillary astrostomies" mean removal? That could cause you more problems. If it were me, I would wait for the other insurance to come into effect, as you may have more continuing expenses besides just the surgery. If you get better in summer, it is coming up and will last thru the 6 to 8 months you state. My doc does not do multiple surgeries. I suggest you get another opinion. rjtha…@mtco.com (Russell Thames) wrote: In october of 02 I came down with a severe sinus infection.For the past two years I have had chronic post nasal drip with the only real symptom being excessive throat clearing.My ent diagnosis was chronic post nasal drip due to allergic changes and a touch of acid reflux.My meds were steroid nose spray and nexium but neither seemed to help.My symptoms were tolerable and somewhat intermittent with most improvement in the summer.I have never had a sinus infection like this.Maybe 1 acute per year but always a lingering cough with post nasal drip(clear or cloudy transparent mucus)that lasted several months. Now after nearly 6 months my infection still lingers.Four courses of antibiotics,nose spray,prednisolone,irrigation twice a day,vitamins,and still the congestion,coughing,pressure,dull headaches persist.Surely someone has something positive to say about bilateral ethmoidectomies and maxillary astrostomies.I have yet to hear of anyone that didn,t have multiple surgeries. My CT scan showed significant sinus disease i.e.chronic ethmoidal and maxillary sinusitis.My ent says there is no guarantees .I hope the surgery is $10,000 well spent as it will be a financial setback for my family(pre-existing condition).Any thoughts,positive feedback,opinions or suggestions?What are the phisical reprocussions of postponing the surgery until my wife gets back to work with group insurance which could be 6 to 8 months? Thanks Russ >>

Sue M.

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In october of 02 I came down with a severe sinus infection.For the past two years I have had chronic post nasal drip with the only real symptom being excessive throat clearing.My ent diagnosis was chronic post nasal drip due to allergic changes and a touch of acid reflux.My meds were steroid nose spray and nexium but neither seemed to help.My symptoms were tolerable and somewhat intermittent with most improvement in the summer.I have never had a sinus infection like this.Maybe 1 acute per year but always a lingering cough with post nasal drip(clear or cloudy transparent mucus)that lasted several months. Now after nearly 6 months my infection still lingers.Four courses of antibiotics,nose spray,prednisolone,irrigation twice a day,vitamins,and still the congestion,coughing,pressure,dull headaches persist.Surely someone has something positive to say about bilateral ethmoidectomies and maxillary astrostomies.I have yet to hear of anyone that didn,t have multiple surgeries. My CT scan showed significant sinus disease i.e.chronic ethmoidal and maxillary sinusitis.My ent says there is no guarantees .I hope the surgery is $10,000 well spent as it will be a financial setback for my family(pre-existing condition).Any thoughts,positive feedback,opinions or suggestions?What are the phisical reprocussions of postponing the surgery until my wife gets back to work with group insurance which could be 6 to 8 months? Thanks Russ