Ever want to pour something into your nose to stop Chronic Nasal Infections?
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I have some nights that I wish I could sleep standing up. No stuffy nose during the day….. shirley
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I know what you mean–I’ve had nights where I have to get up, and work out on a ski machine (keep myself moving), in order for my nose to clear. I want bionic nasal passages and sinuses!!
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On 7/2/05 4:13 PM, in article 3iolctFmigr…@individual.net, "Susan" <neverm…@nomail.com> wrote: > I’m too weak to stand during a migraine, unfortunately. I’m usually weak > and wiped out for the entire day.
You see how easily any E mail health advice can be misunderstood and taken the wrong way! I meant to do the shower doily when you are well and hale and hearty, not during a headache.
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"Susan" <neverm…@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:3innfmFlvq95U1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive: yes > Allen L. wrote: > > In news:u0xxe.20355$qm.9448@bignews5.bellsouth.net, > > CanDo <noem…@bellsouth.com> typed: > >>After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for > >>decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an > >>anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without > >>killing me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed > >>down, for a few minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a > >>mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. > >>Sinus flooding not only killed my sinus infection, but also has kept > >>me infection free, without having to use antibiotics. > >>. > >>I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that my > >>chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, so the > >>anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected > >>areas were fairly easy to reach. > >>. > >>Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down > >>Sinus Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown > >>. > >>. > >>"If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world" > > You know, CanDo, you sound more and more like a spammer when I read your > > posts. Of course your not ’spamming’, but you don’t really need to keep > > posting this, at least to me, irritating post of *what* worked for you. I > > tried your method and burned the hell out of my nose, and did nothing after > > several tries. > > We, on this group, I believe have read your theory…hopefully it will be > > posted in the FAQ’s so you can stop plugging it every week. Glad it worked > > for you…now please give us a break. > > …Allen > No one appointed you to speak for this group. > The purpose of reposting is so that newer readers will see the > information, which I found very helpful. > Susan
Susan, thanks for the positive feedback. Thanks also for voicing your opinion. The reason you gave, "so that newer readers will see the information", is the main reason why I repost about sinus flooding. I wish I did get more positive feedback and less grouches. But…… the way I figure, if my sinus flooding helps just one more person, then it is well worth continuing the effort. There is so much useless and misleading information on the Internet. One would think that a new option against sinus infection would be warmly received. Thanks again! Enjoy your Fourth of July holiday!
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On 7/3/05 1:30 PM, in article 3ir06mFmh7q…@individual.net, "Susan" <neverm…@nomail.com> wrote: > Did you see the reports just out that showering may cause neuro damage > from inhaling minerals (manganese) in shower mist, though? :-
Not surprised, years ago the clergy was preaching against bathing too.
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Susan wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > Allen L. wrote: >> I’ve seen your posts on this group several times, so you are not *new* >> to the group and I’m sure you may have found the above post by CanDo >> interesting, as I did, when he first posted it for the 1st or 3rd >> time, not the 25th time like some spammer. I’m not the moderator of >> this group, nor are you. > Exactly. This is unmoderated usenet, and reposting non-commercial, > helpful information periodically is perfectly acceptable practice.
The problem with CanDo’s posts, as with all the other posts about "alternative" or home remedies, is that they tend to emphasize only how wonderful the treatment is, without stating any possible caveats or risks. Which forces folks like me to keep replying to his posts, constantly pointing out some caveats. I keep coming back to some common-sense concerns: With over 100 years of otolaryngology, hydrogen peroxide flooding has never become a widely prescribed treatment–not even by "alternative" medicine, AFAIK. So I have to wonder why? What’s wrong with it? What does constant flooding with hydrogen peroxide do to the delicate mucous membranes of the nasopharynx, and to white blood cells and the other natural body defenses? What is the long-term effect of such a treatment? If the body finds it irritating or painful, could this be a warning that it’s not good for you? If "CanDo" has achieved a true medical breakthrough here, he should discuss it with some ENTs and maybe it can go somewhere. But I’m really concerned about putting *anything* into the nasopharynx whose side effects are unknown. And problems can take a long time to show up–after which it may be too late. Look what’s happened with Zicam, for example. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:41:56 -0400, Susan <neverm…@nomail.com> wrote: >I would bet that diluted hydrogen peroxide irrigation, short term, is >the safest of all. Since you routinely advocate aggressive and invasive >diagnostics, I’m puzzled by your concerns about a low risk, inexpensive >treatment we can each evaluate for ourselves. Very curious and puzzled, >in fact.
He just added some cautions, that’s all, and quite properly so……
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 20:44:31 -0400, Susan <neverm…@nomail.com> wrote: > x-no-archive: yes >Frankly, most of the >> medical advice I’ve followed in my life from docs at presigious academic >> centers has harmed me. >Prestigious.
It counts for something at least…..
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"Susan" <neverm…@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:3j0nmeFnjgp3U1@individual.net… > x-no-archive: yes > All the treatments we discuss here, self help and non rx’ed, have > potential risks; that’s the bitch about getting sick.
Sarcasm as it’s best! Thanks for the chuckle. > I would bet that diluted hydrogen peroxide irrigation, short term, is > the safest of all. Since you routinely advocate aggressive and invasive > diagnostics, I’m puzzled by your concerns about a low risk, inexpensive > treatment we can each evaluate for ourselves. Very curious and puzzled, > in fact. > Susan
Good comment! Anyone who would take the time to thoroughly read my "upside down sinus flooding" documentation at: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown would notice that I don’t claim that this will cure everyone. I also state that, from the feedback that I have received, hydrogen peroxide seems to sting women worse than men, and suggest that women consider a much more diluted mixture. As far as long term use……. I am against long term use of the sinus flooding with peroxide. Once again, if people would take the time to read the documentation, they would notice that the main objective of the nasal flooding, besides killing whatever germs are in the nasal areas, is to keep nasal wounds free from infection until they heal. Once the nasal wounds are healed there is much less reason to do a peroxide nasal flooding, since the nasal membranes are much less prone to infection. Susan, once again, thanks for your posts. At least you did some research before taking your position. It irks me when people make a significant effort to criticize something that they haven’t taken the time to read. It’s far easier to be critical than to be objective.
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Susan wrote:
<snip> > I would bet that diluted hydrogen peroxide irrigation, short term, is > the safest of all. Since you routinely advocate aggressive and invasive > diagnostics, I’m puzzled by your concerns about a low risk, inexpensive > treatment we can each evaluate for ourselves. Very curious and puzzled, > in fact. > Susan
Are you concerned about free radicals being millimeters from your brain? Free radicals can form when catalase breaks down h2o2.
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 22:32:20 -0400, Susan <neverm…@nomail.com> wrote: >I’m all for discussion, and anyone can add whatever cautions he wants.
Oh ok fair enough,,, >BUT, if the treatment the person is raising piddly, hypothetical >cautions about is far safer, cheaper and accessible at low cost than >those he appears to advocate, it makes me wonder what that’s about.
Steven has helped hundreds of people in this newsgroup in a non-agenda-driven way over many many years…… He does see some benefit in relying on methods and procedures that have been proven by scientific studies, and so do I. In general, that is a less risky route than attempting to do one’s own risk analysis on new methods…..
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 23:01:32 -0400, Susan <neverm…@nomail.com> wrote: >Also, AFS and its treatment, frex, is talked about as if it’s a >scientific fact here often, when it is merely a theory, from all I can >find.
Actually I routinely tell people that its broad significance(at least) is just a hypothesis that is not widely accepted, and I’ve seen Steven do the same. But I’m glad we agree on that one! We also caution people routinely about excessive turbinate reduction (which can lead to empty nose syndrome), and (at least on my part) about overuse of the older Caldwell-Luc procedure by some practitioners (although it is still needed sometimes). Septal correction is often overhyped and overdone too. etc. etc. > >In general, that is a less risky >> route than attempting to do one’s own risk analysis on new methods….. >Not really. Honest, I’m not arguing for the sake of being contrary. >One can get very screwed up by accepting risk analyses by medical >practitioners. Especially those with a profitable device or procedure >to sell, or a pet theory to rest a career on, or a study that needs full >enrolment.
Those things can indeed happen. The lay patient needs to be critical but not completely cynical to the point they reject surgery when they really do need it. Unfortunately, we some of the latter here and I think it often leads to people getting no treatment and being in a bad way.. I do agree that the public needs to be *much* more critical about all treatmeants proposed, and get multiple opinions. Again, however, most people do not have time for extensive research on their own. So they have to find some experts to rely on, at least in part.
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"Allen L." <inva…@invalid.org> wrote in message
news:d3Uxe.100489$PR6.46817@tornado.texas.rr.com… > <<Top Snipped>> > Seems, you think *all* could be helped with your idea, don’t you? Just to > refresh your memory, this group is *about*and *for* people with sinusitis, > so your above statement covers *all* posts to this group that are on topic, > doesn’t it? You are somewhat restrained…you could post your link to every > new post in the forum that is on topic, now couldn’t you? What has Dr. > Grossan said about your ‘cure’? Why don’t you have the ‘cure’ posted very > visibly in the sinusitis FAQ’s?
Actually, at first I thought that I had discovered a significant cure for sinus infection. At that time, I had little knowledge about the structure of the sinuses, and the fact that many sinus and nasal structures can be deformed. I also found out that the maxillary sinuses are very difficult to reach with sinus flooding. You say that I think that *all* could be helped by my idea. Actually that is partially true. This is the exact post that I have been uploading once per month, just like the post that I had just uploaded here, a day or so ago: <===========================================> <===========================================> Ever want to pour something into your nose to stop Chronic Nasal Infections? After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without killing me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed down, for a few minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. Sinus flooding not only killed my sinus infection, but also has kept me infection free, without having to use antibiotics. . I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that my chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, so the anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected areas were fairly easy to reach. . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown . . "If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world" <=======================================> <=======================================> As you can read, if you would bother to read it, I specifically state that I thought that my problems were related to my turbinates since the infected areas are easier to reach. In my documentation I also specifically state that I am not a health professional, and that I don’t know if sinus flooding, with peroxide, will make someone’s health better, or make someone’s health worse. I would issue the same warning if I suggested that someone go on a diet that includes 100% whole grain. > No distress here, just confusion…you want all of usenet to eventually know > of your ‘discovery’? You mean it cures just about everything? Hey, glad it > worked for you…but give the rest of us a break. Once a month is > plenty…be it a full post or just a link. Post like the rest of us…even > Dr. Grossan, whom I think everyone admires, doesn’t plug his device with > *every* one of his answers!
There are many people who are not computer savvy, and do not know how to look up old posts. That is why I repeat my sinus flooding post once a month, and also respond to specific posts during the month. Most of us go through life, having an impact on just those around us. Most of us would never dream of the possibility of being able to cure someone else’s misery. Most Americans, if they could help others, would. You would not believe the wonderful feeling when I get "thank you" feedback from someone who had been in sinus misery for many years, and have seen significant improvement in their sinus disease. Many had gone through one or more sinus surgeries. Most had lost all hope. I sit back at night and think about those strangers, many of them thousands of miles away, who are also sitting back, but this time, not in sinus pain and misery for the first time in years. And I think about how miserable those strangers would feel right now if I just sat back and did nothing.
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<<Top Snipped>> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> "Allen L." <inva…@invalid.org> wrote in message >> news:1NRxe.97763$6g3.32137@tornado.texas.rr.com… >> Posts by CanDo referencing his treatment with H.Peroxide (only a >> small portion… he has 56 or so posts, and all generally listing >> his link to H2O2 treatment, with a partial or full explanation). >> Following are just the most recent, ones with X are full >> descriptions…June was a banner month: >> May 19 >> June 1 X >> June 2 X >> June 5 X >> June 8 X >> June 11 >> June 26 >> July 2 X >> This, and only this, is what started my so called rant…enough is >> enough…once a month, fine, but this many…?? >> Remember, the dates above with the "X" are the full initial >> description of his ‘method’. A little too much, in my honest >> opinion. *Not once a month by any reason*! I’ve not trying to create >> any ‘flame’ wars here…I do thank CanDo for the information…but >> try to get it into the F.A.Q.s and then it will be posted every >> month to all who care to read it. I can realize that is has helped 2 >> or 3 people, but this is not significant or conclusive enough to >> make it a ‘cure’. >> …Allen > In news:oySxe.14795$ho.1281@bignews6.bellsouth.net, >CanDo <noem…@bellsouth.com> typed: > Ho Ha!!! You caught me, you sly little devil! > Actually, if you look at all those other posts in June, I was > responding directly to specific posts by someone who might have a > sinus infection problem which I think could be helped with a sinus > flooding.
Seems, you think *all* could be helped with your idea, don’t you? Just to refresh your memory, this group is *about*and *for* people with sinusitis, so your above statement covers *all* posts to this group that are on topic, doesn’t it? You are somewhat restrained…you could post your link to every new post in the forum that is on topic, now couldn’t you? What has Dr. Grossan said about your ‘cure’? Why don’t you have the ‘cure’ posted very visibly in the sinusitis FAQ’s? > Once a month, and ONLY once a month, I religiously post a standard > note about sinus/nasal flooding. I do this in different forums around > the Internet. But……. when someone posts a note asking for help, > and I think that an "upside down sinus flooding" might be able to > help, then I post directly to that note. I am so sorry that my > activity causes you so much distress.
No distress here, just confusion…you want all of usenet to eventually know of your ‘discovery’? You mean it cures just about everything? Hey, glad it worked for you…but give the rest of us a break. Once a month is plenty…be it a full post or just a link. Post like the rest of us…even Dr. Grossan, whom I think everyone admires, doesn’t plug his device with *every* one of his answers! > I know that there are those who post a lot more posts than me. A LOT > MORE. > Checked out the hemorrhoid forum. You might be more interested in > "upside down anal flooding" than in "upside down sinus flooding".
Kindly post a link. I will gladly read it rather that having to read about peroxide’s many wonders flooding this forum by your posts. Oh, and by the way <plonk> (killfile activated). …Allen
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"Allen L." <inva…@invalid.org> wrote in message
news:1NRxe.97763$6g3.32137@tornado.texas.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Allen L. wrote: > >> I’ve seen your posts on this group several times, so you are not > >> *new* to the group and I’m sure you may have found the above post by > >> CanDo interesting, as I did, when he first posted it for the 1st or > >> 3rd time, not the 25th time like some spammer. I’m not the moderator > >> of this group, nor are you. > >In news:3io188Fmanv9U1@individual.net, > >Susan <neverm…@nomail.com> typed: > > Exactly. This is unmoderated usenet, and reposting non-commercial, > > helpful information periodically is perfectly acceptable practice. > > I’ve only been here a few months. > >>Allen L. wrote: > >> I am just stating a fact about CanDo’s posts. According to your > >> theory, all posts should be repeated at least every couple of days > >> so new readers won’t miss them? Can you really be serious? That > >> would create a real thrill in finding a really current post now > >> would’t it? …Allen > >Susan wrote: > > Yeah, I’m serious. FAQs are posted frequently, too, to supply helpful > > info to newbies. > > Instead of whining, why not just employ your kill file? > > Susan > This is *why* I posted the first of this so called ‘complaint’ about > recurrent postings of the same ’spam’ type of posting by CanDo…his posts > may be helpful to some, granted, but his ‘pounding’ his info is a form of > spamming the group. Why don’t they put his ‘invention’ in the additives > section of the F.A.Q.’s of alt.support.sinusitis and be *done* with it. The > F.A.Q.s are routinely posted every month with a link, not a diatribe > describing in detail the method, in complete form, cluttering the newsgroup. > Here for anyone’s info, is the *full* treatment and description offered by > CanDo with full explanation marked with an "X" beside the date, the other > dated references are partial explanations of his ‘cure’. This info was found > in the Google Group’s archives. > Posts by CanDo referencing his treatment with H.Peroxide (only a small > portion… he has 56 or so posts, and all generally listing his link to H2O2 > treatment, with a partial or full explanation). > Following are just the most recent, ones with X are full descriptions…June > was a banner month: > May 19 > June 1 X > June 2 X > June 5 X > June 8 X > June 11 > June 26 > July 2 X > This, and only this, is what started my so called rant…enough is > enough…once a month, fine, but this many…?? > Remember, the dates above with the "X" are the full initial description of > his ‘method’. A little too much, in my honest opinion. *Not once a month by > any reason*! I’ve not trying to create any ‘flame’ wars here…I do thank > CanDo for the information…but try to get it into the F.A.Q.s and then it > will be posted every month to all who care to read it. I can realize that is > has helped 2 or 3 people, but this is not significant or conclusive enough > to make it a ‘cure’. > …Allen
Ho Ha!!! You caught me, you sly little devil! Actually, if you look at all those other posts in June, I was responding directly to specific posts by someone who might have a sinus infection problem which I think could be helped with a sinus flooding. Once a month, and ONLY once a month, I religiously post a standard note about sinus/nasal flooding. I do this in different forums around the Internet. But……. when someone posts a note asking for help, and I think that an "upside down sinus flooding" might be able to help, then I post directly to that note. I am so sorry that my activity causes you so much distress. I know that there are those who post a lot more posts than me. A LOT MORE. Checked out the hemorrhoid forum. You might be more interested in "upside down anal flooding" than in "upside down sinus flooding".
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Allen L. wrote: >> I’ve seen your posts on this group several times, so you are not >> *new* to the group and I’m sure you may have found the above post by >> CanDo interesting, as I did, when he first posted it for the 1st or >> 3rd time, not the 25th time like some spammer. I’m not the moderator >> of this group, nor are you. >In news:3io188Fmanv9U1@individual.net, >Susan <neverm…@nomail.com> typed: > Exactly. This is unmoderated usenet, and reposting non-commercial, > helpful information periodically is perfectly acceptable practice. > I’ve only been here a few months. >>Allen L. wrote: >> I am just stating a fact about CanDo’s posts. According to your >> theory, all posts should be repeated at least every couple of days >> so new readers won’t miss them? Can you really be serious? That >> would create a real thrill in finding a really current post now >> would’t it? …Allen >Susan wrote: > Yeah, I’m serious. FAQs are posted frequently, too, to supply helpful > info to newbies. > Instead of whining, why not just employ your kill file? > Susan
This is *why* I posted the first of this so called ‘complaint’ about recurrent postings of the same ’spam’ type of posting by CanDo…his posts may be helpful to some, granted, but his ‘pounding’ his info is a form of spamming the group. Why don’t they put his ‘invention’ in the additives section of the F.A.Q.’s of alt.support.sinusitis and be *done* with it. The F.A.Q.s are routinely posted every month with a link, not a diatribe describing in detail the method, in complete form, cluttering the newsgroup. Here for anyone’s info, is the *full* treatment and description offered by CanDo with full explanation marked with an "X" beside the date, the other dated references are partial explanations of his ‘cure’. This info was found in the Google Group’s archives. Posts by CanDo referencing his treatment with H.Peroxide (only a small portion… he has 56 or so posts, and all generally listing his link to H2O2 treatment, with a partial or full explanation). Following are just the most recent, ones with X are full descriptions…June was a banner month: May 19 June 1 X June 2 X June 5 X June 8 X June 11 June 26 July 2 X This, and only this, is what started my so called rant…enough is enough…once a month, fine, but this many…?? Remember, the dates above with the "X" are the full initial description of his ‘method’. A little too much, in my honest opinion. *Not once a month by any reason*! I’ve not trying to create any ‘flame’ wars here…I do thank CanDo for the information…but try to get it into the F.A.Q.s and then it will be posted every month to all who care to read it. I can realize that is has helped 2 or 3 people, but this is not significant or conclusive enough to make it a ‘cure’. …Allen
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I had thought about posting, about flooding the nasal passages with peroxide, much more than once per month but I wanted to balance my need to get my message out, with the needs of the others who use this informative and helpful newsgroup. You can’t blame me for getting excited about nasal flooding. I’ve had "thank you" responses from a budding actor in New York, whose sinus condition was preventing him from applying his trade, to a teacher in Taiwan, whose chronic sinus infections were making him miserable, to a housewife "somewhere out there" who thanked me for saving her life. I would guess that she had given up, and the nasal flooding worked for her. It doesn’t work for everyone. It works best for sinus infections within the nasal passages, but it also can help those with infections in the sinus cavities by keeping the infection from causing further misery within the nasal passages. For more information: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown See you next month! "afdr9lk" <9e…@dikmd.com> wrote in message
news:kxJxe.3166$8f7.755@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So should we all start posting what helps us once a month? > Susan wrote: > > x-no-archive: yes > > Allen L. wrote: > >> I’ve seen your posts on this group several times, so you are not *new* > >> to the group and I’m sure you may have found the above post by CanDo > >> interesting, as I did, when he first posted it for the 1st or 3rd > >> time, not the 25th time like some spammer. I’m not the moderator of > >> this group, nor are you. > > Exactly. This is unmoderated usenet, and reposting non-commercial, > > helpful information periodically is perfectly acceptable practice. > > I’ve only been here a few months. > > I am just stating a fact about CanDo’s posts. According to your > >> theory, all posts should be repeated at least every couple of days so > >> new readers won’t miss them? Can you really be serious? That would > >> create a real thrill in finding a really current post now would’t it? > >> …Allen > > Yeah, I’m serious. FAQs are posted frequently, too, to supply helpful > > info to newbies. > > Instead of whining, why not just employ your kill file? > > Susan
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 04:08:48 GMT, afdr9lk <9e…@dikmd.com> wrote: >So should we all start posting what helps us once a month?
You have a point, and in theory I agree with you in an ideal world, but if his motivation is honestly to help people, he is non-commercial, and he is not doing harm, maybe we should let it go. Once a month is.a pretty low frequency. If he were representing his posts as being endorsed by the group as a whole, then I would feel differently. But I do not think he is doing that. I think that most readers are pretty discerning as to what is individual ideas and what is accepted medical science. Unfortunately,a few are not and will fall for every fad notion that comes along. We have hounded some crassly commercial or clearly abusive posters out of the newsgroup, but with the structure as loose as it is, it is really hard to go much beyond that, unless we want to go as far as to adopt a charter and/or go to a moderated group format. If you do feel very strongly about it, then we could start drafting a charter as to what is and what is not acceptable, and see if we could get a consensus on it. But that might be an enormous exercise……
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So should we all start posting what helps us once a month? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Susan wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > Allen L. wrote: >> I’ve seen your posts on this group several times, so you are not *new* >> to the group and I’m sure you may have found the above post by CanDo >> interesting, as I did, when he first posted it for the 1st or 3rd >> time, not the 25th time like some spammer. I’m not the moderator of >> this group, nor are you. > Exactly. This is unmoderated usenet, and reposting non-commercial, > helpful information periodically is perfectly acceptable practice. > I’ve only been here a few months. > I am just stating a fact about CanDo’s posts. According to your >> theory, all posts should be repeated at least every couple of days so >> new readers won’t miss them? Can you really be serious? That would >> create a real thrill in finding a really current post now would’t it? >> …Allen > Yeah, I’m serious. FAQs are posted frequently, too, to supply helpful > info to newbies. > Instead of whining, why not just employ your kill file? > Susan
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On 7/2/05 10:32 AM, in article 3io1d1Fmanv…@individual.net, "Susan" <neverm…@nomail.com> wrote: > I still get an occasional sinus migraine from sleeping with windows > open, but Astelin with Rhinocort and Afrin is now adequate to prevent > symptoms, along with aggressive allergic desensitization. > Susan
Migraine is a spacticity of the blood vessels . If you are getting this from chilling, many persons are helped by measures to reduce blood vessel spasticity. Try shower – hard – to back of neck four minutes while slowly rotating head from side to side. Often this reduces blood vessel spasticity and less migraine.
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On 7/2/05 11:48 AM, in article ViBxe.20881$qm.18…@bignews5.bellsouth.net, "CanDo" <noem…@bellsouth.com> wrote: > the first post that I came across was from a girl who had tried peroxide in > a cold water evaporator for her constant throat infections, and it had cured > her throat infections. I bought a cold water evaporator and tried it for a > few weeks, but it did nothing for my sinus infection. I then tried a hot > steam machine with peroxide and that did nothing.
Even the most elementary high school science class can explain that there is no way that peroxide can reach the body via evaporation or steam. What you got was WATER.
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"Murray Grossan" <hydro…@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:BEEC343A.37A2%hydromed@adelphia.net… > On 7/2/05 11:48 AM, in article
ViBxe.20881$qm.18…@bignews5.bellsouth.net, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "CanDo" <noem…@bellsouth.com> wrote: > > the first post that I came across was from a girl who had tried peroxide in > > a cold water evaporator for her constant throat infections, and it had cured > > her throat infections. I bought a cold water evaporator and tried it for a > > few weeks, but it did nothing for my sinus infection. I then tried a hot > > steam machine with peroxide and that did nothing. > Even the most elementary high school science class can explain that there is > no way that peroxide can reach the body via evaporation or steam. What you > got was WATER.
As I had written before, what steered me towards using peroxide in my nasal passages was a post from a girl who had tried it in a cold mist evaporator, to cure her throat infection. While that didn’t work for me, it started me experimenting with peroxide in my nasal passages. Even if that original post from that girl was totally incorrect, it was responsible for, not only, effecting a cure for my sinus infection disease, but for curing other people’s sinus infection diseases around the world. I found that original post from Joanna Payne. Thank you Joanna Payne wherever you are! Here is a copy of it: <===================================> Email: joannap…@aol.com <–email address no longer active. Date: Wednesday February 25, 1998 All my life I have had frequent throat infections. In my twenties, it seemed I had one every month, for which I would take antibiotics. My GP referred me to a specialist, who gave me weekly vaccinations for a year. My infections became much less frequent, but more intense and harder to cure. I had to take larger doses of antibiotics for a longer period of time. In a health newsletter I subscribe to, I learned about hydrogen peroxide and bought Dr. William Campbell Douglass’ amazing book, "Hydrogen Peroxide, Medical Miracle." The book is mostly about intravenous H2O2, and if I hadn’t been reading carefully, I would have missed the one sentence about using it in a vaporizer for respiratory infections. I tried it. I used the common 3% variety in the brown bottle that you buy at the supermarket. I diluted it 8 to 1 and put it in a cool mist vaporizer. I used a cool mist because some people think the effectiveness of H2O2 is decreased by boiling, but I also use it in a mini-vaporizer I bought at the health food store, which boils it, and that works, too. Anyway, I don’t have the concern about fungus and bacteria growing in the cool-mist vaporizer, because the H2O2 takes care of that! It does corrode the nebulizer, though, so I make sure to empty the liquid after I’m finished. Results: I have not been back to the doctor for antibiotics since I started using this method. I estimate I have probably had 20 or more infections and every one of them has gone away with this method. If I catch it later than usual, I also gargle with h202, one part water to one part H2O2. It always works for me. Needless to say, I am ecstatic. Everyone else I have shared my story with who decided to try it for themselves has also had success–some with viruses like colds and respiratory flu. Joanna Payne
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news:3io1d1Fmanv9U2@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive: yes > CanDo wrote: > > With all the noise that we are subjected to on Newsgroups I did not expect > > someone to be offended by my humble offering. > Maybe he was just having a cranky day. > I added a capful of peroxide to my irrigation solution a few times, and > for the first time in 10 years, the bone around my right ethmoid sinus > doesn’t feel sore and bruised, and I have only clear discharge. > I still get an occasional sinus migraine from sleeping with windows > open, but Astelin with Rhinocort and Afrin is now adequate to prevent > symptoms, along with aggressive allergic desensitization. > Susan
Peroxide is great stuff. Around four years ago, when I first searched through the internet, looking for a cure for my frequent sinus infections, the first post that I came across was from a girl who had tried peroxide in a cold water evaporator for her constant throat infections, and it had cured her throat infections. I bought a cold water evaporator and tried it for a few weeks, but it did nothing for my sinus infection. I then tried a hot steam machine with peroxide and that did nothing. Then……. one night I had it with my sinus misery. I went nuts, and out of frustration, kneeled down into the shower floor and flooded my sinuses with diluted peroxide. I used much too much peroxide to water, and the pain was awful. It completely closed up my sinuses for three full days. I cursed the night that I ever tried it. Obviously, in my mind, I had made my sinus condition worse. But….. after three days, my sinuses opened up and my sinus infection was gone. It was well worth the experiment, but, I think, the next time I want to experiment with the sinuses, I do it with someone else’s sinuses!
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news:3innfmFlvq95U1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive: yes > Allen L. wrote: > > In news:u0xxe.20355$qm.9448@bignews5.bellsouth.net, > > CanDo <noem…@bellsouth.com> typed: > >>After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for > >>decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an > >>anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without > >>killing me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed > >>down, for a few minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a > >>mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. > >>Sinus flooding not only killed my sinus infection, but also has kept > >>me infection free, without having to use antibiotics. > >>. > >>I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that my > >>chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, so the > >>anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected > >>areas were fairly easy to reach. > >>. > >>Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down > >>Sinus Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown > >>. > >>. > >>"If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world" > > You know, CanDo, you sound more and more like a spammer when I read your > > posts. Of course your not ’spamming’, but you don’t really need to keep > > posting this, at least to me, irritating post of *what* worked for you. I > > tried your method and burned the hell out of my nose, and did nothing after > > several tries. > > We, on this group, I believe have read your theory…hopefully it will be > > posted in the FAQ’s so you can stop plugging it every week. Glad it worked > > for you…now please give us a break. > > …Allen > No one appointed you to speak for this group. > The purpose of reposting is so that newer readers will see the > information, which I found very helpful. > Susan
Thanks for explaining to all why I post once a month. Even for me it gets frustrating. I’ll go for months without anyone saying that it has helped them. Sometimes I say, "The hell with it. No one is listening anyway!" Then I’ll get an email from someone, or someone will post a reply on a forum somewhere saying that it has helped to save them from a lifetime of misery, or someone like you will post some positive remarks. With all the noise that we are subjected to on Newsgroups I did not expect someone to be offended by my humble offering.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive: yes > Allen L. wrote: >> In news:u0xxe.20355$qm.9448@bignews5.bellsouth.net, >> CanDo <noem…@bellsouth.com> typed: >>> After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, >>> for decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an >>> anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without >>> killing me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed >>> down, for a few minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a >>> mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher >>> salt. Sinus flooding not only killed my sinus infection, but also >>> has kept me infection free, without having to use antibiotics. >>> . >>> I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that >>> my chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, >>> so the anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the >>> infected areas were fairly easy to reach. >>> . >>> Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down >>> Sinus Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown >>> . >>> . >>> "If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world" >> You know, CanDo, you sound more and more like a spammer when I read >> your posts. Of course your not ’spamming’, but you don’t really need >> to keep posting this, at least to me, irritating post of *what* >> worked for you. I tried your method and burned the hell out of my >> nose, and did nothing after several tries. >> We, on this group, I believe have read your theory…hopefully it >> will be posted in the FAQ’s so you can stop plugging it every week. >> Glad it worked for you…now please give us a break. >> …Allen >In news:3innfmFlvq95U1@individual.net, >Susan <neverm…@nomail.com> typed: > No one appointed you to speak for this group. > The purpose of reposting is so that newer readers will see the > information, which I found very helpful. > Susan
I’ve seen your posts on this group several times, so you are not *new* to the group and I’m sure you may have found the above post by CanDo interesting, as I did, when he first posted it for the 1st or 3rd time, not the 25th time like some spammer. I’m not the moderator of this group, nor are you. I am just stating a fact about CanDo’s posts. According to your theory, all posts should be repeated at least every couple of days so new readers won’t miss them? Can you really be serious? That would create a real thrill in finding a really current post now would’t it? …Allen
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In news:u0xxe.20355$qm.9448@bignews5.bellsouth.net, CanDo <noem…@bellsouth.com> typed: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for > decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an > anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without > killing me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed > down, for a few minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a > mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. > Sinus flooding not only killed my sinus infection, but also has kept > me infection free, without having to use antibiotics. > . > I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that my > chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, so the > anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected > areas were fairly easy to reach. > . > Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down > Sinus Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown > . > . > "If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world"
You know, CanDo, you sound more and more like a spammer when I read your posts. Of course your not ’spamming’, but you don’t really need to keep posting this, at least to me, irritating post of *what* worked for you. I tried your method and burned the hell out of my nose, and did nothing after several tries. We, on this group, I believe have read your theory…hopefully it will be posted in the FAQ’s so you can stop plugging it every week. Glad it worked for you…now please give us a break. …Allen
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After I suffered with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with an anti-infective mixture that could kill germs and infection, without killing me. I found a safe way, for me, to keep my forehead pointed down, for a few minutes, with my nasal passages flooded with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. Sinus flooding not only killed my sinus infection, but also has kept me infection free, without having to use antibiotics. . I have now been sinus infection free for over 3 years. I think that my chronic infection problems were associated with my turbinates, so the anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected areas were fairly easy to reach. . Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-upsidedown . . "If you save one life, it is as though you save the entire world"
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