Sinusitis FAQ

Nasal Spray sinus formula

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Waterpik you buy at a local drugstore if you don’t already own one. Cheapest model is about $28, most expensive is about $50, and it lasts for years and is good for your teeth too.  The tip is $15 or so.   The reason it is better than a neti Pot or baby bulb? It gets deeper in your sinuses, and uses pulsatile irrigation, not just passive irrigation, to restore ciliary motion. I hadn’t realised it was a standard dental pik you used.   Did you know that there was a magnetic pic which has been shown in studies to be effective on teeth?   Wonder what it would do on sinuses?   I post the abstracts quite often, they are on my website on the abstracts page. By far the most effective teeth cleaning technology is ultrahighfrequency sound, marketed as Sonicare, I believe.  I doubt magnetic or water devices can come close to matching it.  However, some people find Sonicare hard to use, and the Waterpik is quite pleasant. By what possible principle could a magnetic dental instrument work?  We know how UHF and water work, but I am not aware that dental plaque or bacteria are magentically sensitive.

Sticking anything up one’s nose for relief, you will have to admit, is infinitely less preferable to getting rid of the problem at its core if at all possible.  I was fortunate, in that my 15 year bout of severe hayfever, along with its accompanying sinusitis and bronchitis symptoms, ended completely with my use of magnetic sleep and other everyday household products.  I don’t understand by what mechanism it happened, nor how to predict which persons for whom it will be effective (although I am far from being the only one), but the important thing is that for me it was as effective as it needed to be, and I can now dance in the weeds that caused my former misery without having to ingest or snort anything for symptom relief, as there are no longer any symptoms.   I tell you this, AF, because I read where you recently predicted that magnetic therapy would soon be on the decline. I predict just the opposite.  ;)

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Sticking anything up one’s nose for relief, you will have to admit, is infinitely less preferable to getting rid of the problem at its core if at all possible. Unfortunately, the "core" of the problem in most cases of chronic sinusitis is "up the nose."  It’s that simple.

Up *your* nose.  Maybe.  Then again, maybe not. But what do you know about anyone else’s, let alone "most cases"?  An awful lot of sinus cases are due to allergies.  The core of my problem sure wasn’t "up my nose", though I mistakenly treated it as though it was for some long time, and all I got or could reasonably hope for was temporary relief.  And I suspect it isn’t in "most cases" of chronic sinusitis where chronic hayfever is also present. and BTW… …… you can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but don’t EVER try to pick your friend’s nose!  (…I first heard that one from a feller who done talked just like "Hillbilly Bob", but weren’t in no jail.  ;-)

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LOL.  I do appreciate wit.  : ) Godspeed. Connie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (very intelligent ideas snipped.) I have never tried eye of newt (how about eye of minnow, of which I ate scads in the Korean food I had yesterday), but once ate leg of frog.  Tastes like chicken. turf

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Ha!  Not hardly.  I know Dr. Grossan believes Papaya Enzyme tables can reduce mucosal swelling in sinusitis, and there is some scientific evidence for that belief, though I never found the tablets (which you dissolve in your mouth, do not consume whole) did anything for me.  Taste good, though.

papaya enzyme….hmmmm…..lots to think about there……course i dont have fruit instead of taking pills???

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The Waterpik you buy at a local drugstore if you don’t already own one. Cheapest model is about $28, most expensive is about $50, and it lasts for years and is good for your teeth too.  The tip is $15 or so.   The reason it is better than a neti Pot or baby bulb? It gets deeper in your sinuses, and uses pulsatile irrigation, not just passive irrigation, to restore ciliary motion.

I hadn’t realised it was a standard dental pik you used.   Did you know that there was a magnetic pic which has been shown in studies to be effective on teeth?   Wonder what it would do on sinuses?   I post the abstracts quite often, they are on my website on the abstracts page. http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Abstracts.htm Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television

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By what possible principle could a magnetic dental instrument work?  We know how UHF and water work, but I am not aware that dental plaque or bacteria are magentically sensitive.

No, the suggestion seems to be that calculus is similar to limescale in construction, so, as studies had shown an effect in industrial applications, it might be worth trying.   Personally I would have said rubbish, It works on the water, but obviously I would have been wrong. The effect of oral irrigation with a magnetic water treatment device on plaque and calculus. Watt DL, Rosenfelder C, Sutton CD George Mason University, Department of Operations Research and Applied Statistics. J Clin Periodontol 1993 May;20(5):314-7 Calculus formation on tooth surfaces is analogous to the formation of lime and scale deposits in plumbing. Magnetic water devices have been shown to significantly reduce scale deposits in industry; therefore an oral irrigator with a magnetic water device may have a similar effect on calculus. To test this hypothesis, a double-blind clinical study was established using 64 irrigators, 30 of which had their magnetic devices removed. 54 patients with heavy supragingival calculus were given irrigators at random after prophylaxis. Instructions were given to irrigate twice a day, particularly the lower 6 anterior teeth. The patients were also told not to floss these 6 teeth which were to be the study teeth. They were examined after 3 months and measurements were taken of the accretions adhering to the study teeth. No attempt was made to determine whether the adhering material was hard or soft so it must be assumed that at least some of the measured material was also plaque. The measurements of the group using an irrigator with a magnetic device showed a 44% greater reduction in calculus volume (p < 0.0005) and a 42% greater reduction in area (p < 0.0001) over the group using an unmagnetized irrigator. There appears to be a statistically significant difference in supragingival accretion volumes between conventional irrigation and using an irrigator with a magnetic water treatment device. An later study reported similar effects but did not mention any mechanism The effectiveness of a magnetized water oral irrigator (Hydro Floss) on plaque, calculus and gingival health.  Johnson KE; Sanders JJ; Gellin RG; Palesch YY  Department of Stomatology, College of Dental Medicine, Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston 29425-2663, USA. Source J Clin Periodontol, 1998 Apr, 25:4, 316-21 Abstract The purpose of this study was to evaluate the effects of a magnetized water oral irrigator on plaque, calculus and gingival health. 29 patients completed this double-blind crossover study. Each patient was brought to baseline via an oral prophylaxis with a plaque index < or = 1 and a gingival index < or = 1. Subjects used the irrigator for a period of 3 months with the magnet and 3 months without the magnet. After each 3 month interval, data were collected using the plaque index, gingival index, and accretions index. The repeated measures analysis on plaque, gingival and calculus indices yielded a statistically-significant period effect for PlI (p=0.0343), GI (p=0.0091), and approached significance for calculus (p=0.0593). This meant that the effect of irrigation resulted in a decrease of all indices over time. Therefore, the treatment effect on each index was evaluated using only the measurements obtained at the end of the first period (i.e., assuming a parallel design). Irrigation with magnetized water resulted in 64% less calculus compared to the control group. The reduction was statistically significant (p< or =0.02). The reduction by 27% in gingival index was not statistically significant. The reduction in plaque was minimal (2.2%). A strong positive correlation between the plaque index and the Watt accretion index was observed. The magnetized water oral irrigator could be a useful adjunct in the prevention of calculus accumulation in periodontal patients, but appears to have minimal effect on plaque reduction. The results indicated a clinical improvement in the gingival index, but this was not a statistically significant finding. I haven’t found any studies that show no effect. I do not understand the mechanism, but these studies are interesting.   Now I’m not suggesting you have limescale up your sinuses<g, but after George’s reports on magnetised water, perhaps a magnetised water pick could be helpful to you. Best wishes John Bain UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html Surround Sound for Television

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ha!  Not hardly.  I know Dr. Grossan believes Papaya Enzyme tables can reduce mucosal swelling in sinusitis, and there is some scientific evidence for that belief, though I never found the tablets (which you dissolve in your mouth, do not consume whole) did anything for me.  Taste good, though. papaya enzyme….hmmmm…..lots to think about there……course i dont have actual fruit instead of taking pills??? Papain, the enzyme derived from papaya, is known to aid digestion, and to have anti-inflammatory properties.  It is widely available in tablet form. As I said, tasty stuff.  But n NYC you can also get a Papaya juice drink on every other corner if you prefer, usually with a greasy red hot dog. AF

ignoramuses round here. Jan

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Snip (the recipe for  an utterly absurd and possibly dangerous concoction).

What do you find most dangerous?  The microgram or so of silver per spray, or the 200mcg of shark liver oil (the Norwegian folk remedy for fighting colds)? All you need is normal saline solution (sterile) with a tiny dash of Alkalol (OTC mouthwash) or peroxide if so desired.  

Great suggestion. Even saline alone certainly provides relief.   I recently wrote an article on a saline face wash (sinuses, eyes, mouth) regimen which included a tablespoon of salt, 2T peroxide, and 1/2T of apple cider vinegar per 6 quarts of water in a large bowl.  It works well, and when I put the solution in a nasal spray bottle, worked even better, but was rarely curative within 48 hours and too irrititating for sensitive nasal passages, even without the vinegar.   I have used the Fred Segal nasal washes a good deal, and they work well, too, but since I am sensitive to iodine, cannot use most of his formulas. Use the Grossan pulsatile irrigation method for best results (www.ent-consult.com)

I have to buy a nasal water pick from the guy?  I don’t think so.  How about a neti pot or just putting the solution in a clean dishwashing detergent bottle with a conical top? Plus, how can you recommend treatments of a guy who recommends naturopathic remedies of things like enzymes to treat sinus infections?  I thought it was forbidden for MDs to recommend non-allopathic non-toxic remedies. Colloidal silver, shark liver oil, eye of newt, leg of toad, all unnecessary.

I have never tried eye of newt (how about eye of minnow, of which I ate scads in the Korean food I had yesterday), but once ate leg of frog.  Tastes like chicken. turf

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Here’s a nasal spray formula I have found after experimenting with many of them.  It is reprinted from my web page in the Recipes section at http://turf.home.mindspring.com "Nasal Spray 996" Ingredients:  Colloidal silver, aloe juice, shark liver oil, lavendar oil, zinc chelate. Mix 2/3 colloidal silver with 1/3 ratio plain aloe juice.  To one ounce of the mixture, mix in one small shark liver oil (250mg) or vitamin A/D capsule (25000IU/1000IU) and 1 drop lavendar oil. Can also add a pinch of zinc mix from a zinc capsule or tablet (25mg or so).  Shake well each use.  Spray as desired. Can be used in conjunction with Now Fenugreek Thyme capsules taken internally, which are very inexpensive ($4 / 100) but hard to find.  They are 700mg fenugreek to 300mg thyme per 2 capsules.   For nasal spray bottles in the past, I would go to Costco and buy their 2-pack of conventional nasal spray ($2.50), dump them out and use the bottles.  Then I found Luce Packaging which sells nasal spray pump bottles on the net (but there is a 12 bottle min.)

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