Mark, You refer to eustation tubes. Do you get swelling under the jaw like me (very tiring) or are you refering to a blockage in your ears? Regards, Frank Tompson, Bath, England In article <4ljoj1$…@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Mark Binns <tse…@primenet.com> writes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->jsjo…@ibm.net wrote: >>In <4kcian$…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mar…@aol.com (Marar2) writes: >>>Hi! This is my first reply to a newsgroup message so I hope I’m doing it >>>right. I also have chronic sinusitis and may have sinus surgery. How has >>>yours worked out? You said you were having horrible allergies and hoped >>>the drainage would be better. Is it? Anything you can tell me about the >>>surgery?   >I’m now 3 1/2 years post-op.  I had a septoplasty and ethmoidectomy, >and I’d do it again.  Before surgery it was guaranteed I’d be going to >the doctor every three months, on average, trying to cure yet another >sinus infection. >It took me somewhat longer than my surgeon estimated to completely >recover from surgery (about 6-8 mos.).  Though the recovery was >difficult, the benefits far outweighed any pain or inconvenience.  As >the surgeon told me, "You’ll still get sinus infections.  The new >configuration in your sinuses allows them to drain better, so the >infections are fewer, shorter-lived, and less severe." >He was right.  I’ve been far healthier and more comfortable ever >since.  Now, if I could just find someone who could help with these >damn’ eustachian tubes…….. >Mark Binns

– Frank Tompson

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In article <447cc$1361f….@news.hampshire.edu>,    kml…@hamp.hampshire.edu (kayt-run low-pez) wrote: >.. . .and bilateral something or other. . .I had this surgery done at the >beginning of March because I have chronic sinusitis and needed more >drains.  This is the test: I am having horrible allergies right now.   >If the congestion in my sinuses does not drain and turns green and >bacterial, I will be peeved.   >Has anyone else had sinus surgery?

Yes, sure have! Brian

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In article <447cc$1361f….@news.hampshire.edu>, kml…@hamp.hampshire.edu – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(kayt-run low-pez) wrote: > . . .and bilateral something or other. . .I had this surgery done at the > beginning of March because I have chronic sinusitis and needed more > drains.  This is the test: I am having horrible allergies right now.   > If the congestion in my sinuses does not drain and turns green and > bacterial, I will be peeved.   > Has anyone else had sinus surgery? > — > *************************************************************************** *** > K a t e . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . sp…@hampshire.edu . > Don’t want to make nobody angry > Don’t want to wish nobody dead > Don’t want to be the girl on the tilt-a-whirl > hanging by a thread                           –Patty Larkin > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ****Check out the Kate Page at http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~kmlF92*************

****************** Yup.  About 6 years ago, turbinate reduction, superflush, extra drainage holes drilled, and a badly crooked septum straightened. It hurt worse than anything I ever felt, but I would do it again tomorrow.  I could breathe for the first time in 26 years!  Recommend making sure your doctor has done lots of these and had good results. julie — ****************************************************** julie and jay mccon…@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us Definition: Ethernet (n): something used to catch the etherbunny

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Hi! This is my first reply to a newsgroup message so I hope I’m doing it right. I also have chronic sinusitis and may have sinus surgery. How has yours worked out? You said you were having horrible allergies and hoped the drainage would be better. Is it? Anything you can tell me about the surgery?  

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In <4kcian$…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mar…@aol.com (Marar2) writes: >Hi! This is my first reply to a newsgroup message so I hope I’m doing it >right. I also have chronic sinusitis and may have sinus surgery. How has >yours worked out? You said you were having horrible allergies and hoped >the drainage would be better. Is it? Anything you can tell me about the >surgery?  

Don’t know who your message was in reply to, but my experience was as follows:         Minimal improvement sinus problems.             Almost total loss of sense of smell. The surgeon never even hinted that the latter was possible, but evidently, it’s not that uncommon.  And, he insisted that my sense of smell would return.   It’s now 3 1/2 years post-op and no improvement.  About the only thing I can smell regularly is car exhaust, but that doesn’t extend to other smoke.  I’ve nearly set the kitchen ablaze several times and I didn’t have a clue until the smoke alarm went off.  (Thank god for good batteries.)  The only time I get close to normal is the day before a cold or sinus infection starts…  For a moment I think I’m "cured", only to realize in an hour or so I’m just getting sick. Bitter?  Yes. Do consider the risks before making your decision.  -jsj   Seattle

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The exact thing happened to my father when he had sinus surgery. Another thing to ask these guys before they start messing around there is for specific information about what the chances are that what they’re doing isn’t permanant. I’ve heard several stories, and went through this personally, where they convince you the operation is a good idea. You go through it, and though it hurts, you’re sure it’s for the best. Then, they let you know that it may seem great at first, but that there’s a tendancy for the turbinets to grow back, the scar tissue to recur, and for openings they may have made to close back up. Gee thanks for telling me NOW!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Don’t know who your message was in reply to, but my experience was as > follows: >         Minimal improvement sinus problems. >         Almost total loss of sense of smell.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -jsjo…@ibm.net wrote: >In <4kcian$…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mar…@aol.com (Marar2) writes: >>Hi! This is my first reply to a newsgroup message so I hope I’m doing it >>right. I also have chronic sinusitis and may have sinus surgery. How has >>yours worked out? You said you were having horrible allergies and hoped >>the drainage would be better. Is it? Anything you can tell me about the >>surgery?   >Don’t know who your message was in reply to, but my experience was as >follows: >    Minimal improvement sinus problems.     >    Almost total loss of sense of smell. >The surgeon never even hinted that the latter was possible, but evidently, it’s >not that uncommon.  And, he insisted that my sense of smell would return.   >It’s now 3 1/2 years post-op and no improvement.  About the only thing I can >smell regularly is car exhaust, but that doesn’t extend to other smoke.  I’ve >nearly set the kitchen ablaze several times and I didn’t have a clue until the >smoke alarm went off.  (Thank god for good batteries.)  The only time I get >close to normal is the day before a cold or sinus infection starts…  For a >moment I think I’m "cured", only to realize in an hour or so I’m just getting >sick.

Did you have endoscopic surgery?  Irecently had it and did not have this problem at all.  Although my tissues are still healing, I have noticed a fairly significant improvement in my ease of breathing through both nostrils and in how clear my sinuses feel.  The real test will be during the hay fever season though… I will try to answer any other questions the original poster had (although you might want to email me the question and I will post an answer to the group as my newsfeed is not reliable for incoming articles)

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In article <4m43m9$…@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> etmch…@athena.mit.edu (Eileen T Mchugh) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My experience has also not been good. Two years ago I elected to have what they > call corrective sinus surgery or septoplasty. The correction, so to say, of the > septum which was to cure drainage problems and chronic sinitus. I experience alot > of pain in the first couple months and some freer breathing, but that was the > summer months. Now, I feel my condition is worse than when I began. I have seen > other doctor, some of which have been more honest than others. The truth is, they > really can’t fix it and any physical alterations seem to make the area weaker and > suseptible to more problems. One doctor suggested that much of my problems are > environmentally based, i.e. dry cold/hot extreme environment (Boston), polltion, > smoke mold etc. These are things very difficult to control. I may move to a > milder climate and I am considering alternative medicine, acupuncture, herbal > medicines….does anyone have any experience with these things? > The sugery…think about it seriously. It didn’t help me. Most doctors say all > that I can do is use nasal steriods, which cause alot of irritation and > nosebleeds.

Hi, glad to meet a fellow Bostonian! According to my allergist, my chronic rhinitis (which triggers my recurrent sinusitis) is due to the air pollution in the Boston area. He says there is "something in the environment" here which is causing a veritable epidemic of sinus disease in the Boston area, but he has no idea exactly what it is.  From trial and error I have discovered that particulates, ozone and sulfur oxides in the air, all cause me problems.  Have you noticed that after the bad winter we had, and all the salt and gravel they spread on the roads during the winter, whenever we get a windy day and the salt and gravel blows in your face that it triggers respiratory problems? I am so sensitive to this that if I drive outside the Route 128 beltway, to more rural parts of Massachusetts or New Hampshire or Vermont, I feel *much* better.  It’s only when I get back inside the good old industrialized Route 128 beltway that I feel rotten (and especially so in Boston itself). I often travel on business and I have noticed how much better I feel in a less polluted environment.  It’s got nothing to do with the climate, it’s the pollution level in my case.  For example, I found the Tampa-St. Petersburg area of Florida much easier on my respiratory system.  (But less than 20 minutes after I got off the plane at Logan Airport in Boston, my nose clogged right up again.) As I have posted in other messages, echinacea herb seems to work well on my colds and acute sinusitis problems. — Steven D. Litvintchouk                  "There seems to be no mainframe Email:  s…@mitre.org                         explanation for the PC world Disclaimer:  As far as I am aware,       in which we’re living." the opinions expressed herein                 — President Bill Clinton are not those of my employer.

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In <4kcian$…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mar…@aol.com (Marar2) writes: >Hi! This is my first reply to a newsgroup message so I hope I’m doing it >right. I also have chronic sinusitis and may have sinus surgery. How has >yours worked out? You said you were having horrible allergies and hoped >the drainage would be better. Is it? Anything you can tell me about the >surgery?

My experience has also not been good. Two years ago I elected to have what they call corrective sinus surgery or septoplasty. The correction, so to say, of the septum which was to cure drainage problems and chronic sinitus. I experience alot of pain in the first couple months and some freer breathing, but that was the summer months. Now, I feel my condition is worse than when I began. I have seen other doctor, some of which have been more honest than others. The truth is, they really can’t fix it and any physical alterations seem to make the area weaker and suseptible to more problems. One doctor suggested that much of my problems are environmentally based, i.e. dry cold/hot extreme environment (Boston), polltion, smoke mold etc. These are things very difficult to control. I may move to a milder climate and I am considering alternative medicine, acupuncture, herbal medicines….does anyone have any experience with these things? The sugery…think about it seriously. It didn’t help me. Most doctors say all that I can do is use nasal steriods, which cause alot of irritation and nosebleeds. Eileen McHugh Boston, MA

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jsjo…@ibm.net wrote: >In <4kcian$…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mar…@aol.com (Marar2) writes: >>Hi! This is my first reply to a newsgroup message so I hope I’m doing it >>right. I also have chronic sinusitis and may have sinus surgery. How has >>yours worked out? You said you were having horrible allergies and hoped >>the drainage would be better. Is it? Anything you can tell me about the >>surgery?  

I’m now 3 1/2 years post-op.  I had a septoplasty and ethmoidectomy, and I’d do it again.  Before surgery it was guaranteed I’d be going to the doctor every three months, on average, trying to cure yet another sinus infection. It took me somewhat longer than my surgeon estimated to completely recover from surgery (about 6-8 mos.).  Though the recovery was difficult, the benefits far outweighed any pain or inconvenience.  As the surgeon told me, "You’ll still get sinus infections.  The new configuration in your sinuses allows them to drain better, so the infections are fewer, shorter-lived, and less severe." He was right.  I’ve been far healthier and more comfortable ever since.  Now, if I could just find someone who could help with these damn’ eustachian tubes…….. Mark Binns

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With respect to magic cures… I’m thinking that a power drill might be the trick for me… but in the mean time I have found three things that do keep my sinus problems from becoming a full scale infection:     saline rinses     Sudafed (pseudophedrine hydrochloride)     Advil (ibuprofen) or Aspirin (A.S.A.) The first two are essential, the last one just seems to help the Sudafed shrink things, but I can live without it.  Actifed also has the pseudo.. hydro.. but it also has an antihistamine (sp?) and if your problems are not caused by allergies you should probably just take Sudafed. I asked a pharmacist about Sudafed and was told that it was not a problem to take it long term but I have heard otherwise.  Anyone know for sure?   By the way, both Sudafed and Actifed are available in bottles of 100 which is is a *much* cheaper way to get them.  You can pick up a bottle of 100 (60mg pseudo-hydro) tablets for $19 (Canadian), same for Sudafed.  A lot of drug stores don’t stock it this way ’cause they can sell packages of 12 for $6. I have tried all sorts of other things like antihistamines (Claritin et al), vitamins, garlic, and every cold medicine known to man, but the three things above are the only things that make a difference for me. -Tom

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Bruce Braithwaite (bbrai…@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: If : anyone has a "magic cure" out there – - help!  And, yes, Calvin, my : sinus and ears have so much pressure built up when the barometric : pressure rises.  I hate those cloudy days.  Isn’t there anyone out : there who can tell me what to use and what not to use on a regular  No magic cure, sorry; but you may want to try simple Actifed (tablets or  syrop).  Actifed has a slight drying effect, and also seems to open  passages, and shrink swollen mucosa, somewhat.  It should do the trick on  cloudy rainy days, although you ought not use it continuously.    Its effects are rather mild, but if you consider the fact that  topical drugs, such as sprays e.g. Atrovent etc. do not reach the deep  recesses of the sinus cavities where mucosa is also swollen and  oversecreting, a systemic drug such as Actifed, however mild acting  might actually do the job.  Try it.  Zwolan,

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I had turbinate reduction done with no problems.  No loss of sense of smell and the turbinates didn’t grow back. The loss of sense of smell results from damage to the olfactory bulb. This occurs much more often if the surgeon is inexperienced in sinus procedures.  For this and other reasons, I STRONGLY recommend using a sinus surgeon who has done several hundred sinus surgeries before and who has a good reputation for doing above-average work.  The likelihood of problems with sinus surgery ranges from about 0.1% to 10% or more depending on who your surgeon is!! Ask, for example, an allergist in your area who the best sinus surgeons are. Rick Donnelly r…@netcom.com

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jsjo…@ibm.net writes: >In <4kcian$…@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mar…@aol.com (Marar2) writes: >>Hi! This is my first reply to a newsgroup message so I hope I’m doing it >>right. I also have chronic sinusitis and may have sinus surgery. How has >>yours worked out? You said you were having horrible allergies and hoped >>the drainage would be better. Is it? Anything you can tell me about the >>surgery?   >Don’t know who your message was in reply to, but my experience was as >follows: >    Minimal improvement sinus problems.     >    Almost total loss of sense of smell.

My experience has been the polar opposite.         Enormous improvement in sinus problems         Able to smell for the first time in a decade. There are risks to all surgery and the surgeon should fully discuss them with you. Only you can weigh the risks against the benefits. [But remember, a full disclosure from a physician is somewhat like the full disclosure prospectus the Securities and Exchange Commission requires of stock offerings. It’s likely to carry warnings that are highly unlikely but which have non-zero probabilities. E.g., perhaps every surgery, no matter how minor, should include a warning that death is a possible outcome – but in most cases that shouldn’t deter you from having the procedure performed. Good Luck. Randy — — ra…@halcyon.com     ra…@dbug.org     bgres…@cclink.fhcrc.org

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Yes, I’ve had sinus surgery – 7 years ago.  I have a boney growth right frontal sinus.  I was and continue to be very dry – congested  - headaches that make me nauseated and shaky – - I had a hole drilled through frontal sinus to drain into left cavity.  It helped for a couple of years, but I’m back to trying wet heat, cold packs, Entex, Humibid, Seldane, Antrovent, Nasal Crom, Nose drops, Claritin – - If anyone has a "magic cure" out there – - help!  And, yes, Calvin, my sinus and ears have so much pressure built up when the barometric pressure rises.  I hate those cloudy days.  Isn’t there anyone out there who can tell me what to use and what not to use on a regular basis.  I can’t seem to get a straight answer from my ENT.  Perfumes, paint and various other fumes trigger the headaches and stuffiness as well.  My sympathy to all who share this pain. Linda In <4k4i1s$…@zoom2.telepath.com> bdwil…@telepath.com (Brian Wilson) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->In article <447cc$1361f….@news.hampshire.edu>, >   kml…@hamp.hampshire.edu (kayt-run low-pez) wrote: >>.. . .and bilateral something or other. . .I had this surgery done at the >>beginning of March because I have chronic sinusitis and needed more >>drains.  This is the test: I am having horrible allergies right now. >>If the congestion in my sinuses does not drain and turns green and >>bacterial, I will be peeved.   >>Has anyone else had sinus surgery? >Yes, sure have! >Brian

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Bruce Braithwaite (bbrai…@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: Yes, I’ve had sinus surgery – 7 years ago.  I have a boney growth right : frontal sinus.  I was and continue to be very dry – congested  - : headaches that make me nauseated and shaky – - I had a hole drilled : through frontal sinus to drain into left cavity.  It helped for a : couple of years, but I’m back to trying wet heat, cold packs, Entex, : Humibid, Seldane, Antrovent, Nasal Crom, Nose drops, Claritin – - If : anyone has a "magic cure" out there – - help!  And, yes, Calvin, my : sinus and ears have so much pressure built up when the barometric : pressure rises.  I hate those cloudy days.  Isn’t there anyone out : there who can tell me what to use and what not to use on a regular : basis.  I can’t seem to get a straight answer from my ENT.  Perfumes, : paint and various other fumes trigger the headaches and stuffiness as : well.  My sympathy to all who share this pain. : Linda You may need another surgery to open things back up again.  I don’t know exactly what your first surgery was, but it sounds like you had one sinus made to drain into another’s drainage channel.  Was this what you had done?  If so, you may have clogged that passageway with the extra drainage.  If the pressure build-up is in the maxillary sinuses rather than the frontal sinuses that you had worked on before, you may just need the maxillaries opened up.  If you aren’t getting straight answers from your ENT, look around for another one.  At any rate, it can’t hurt for you to talk to another ENT.  Even if your first one is good, he/she can’t possibly know everything, and you may find out something new from a second ENT. Wet heat, Entex, and Humibid all moisten things and increase drainage. Atrovent dries things out.  Why would you combine these?  This seems strange to me. For several months after my last surgery, I had multiple doctors all tell me I had been opened up too much by the surgery and that I needed to moisten things up.  It didn’t help.  I went to the southern California desert for a few days on vacation and found I felt essentially pain-free even without using any medication.  Turns out my sinuses and nasal passages were too wet, not too dry.  Atrovent seems to help with both pain and fume sensitivity (others have reported this as well), though it feels a bit harsh in my nasal passages and throat.  So I discontinued it, went to Sears, and bought a dehumidifier for about $250.  It definitely helps (and also helps cut down on mildew growth), though the jury is still out on whether it will help a lot on cloudy days. Try Atrovent by itself, and if it seems to help you, get a dehumidifier. That’s what I would do if I were you.  Give it a few days to work. If the dehumidifier doesn’t help you, just put it back in the box and take it back for a refund. (Of course, you should check with your doctor before discontinuing any medications.  Some things, like steroids, can cause problems if suddenly discontinued.) Rick Donnelly r…@netcom.com (note – a dehumidifier is NOT a humidifier, it’s the opposite!  A dehumidifier is a big box with a compressor, evaporator and condenser coils, a fan, and a drain pan that you empty every day.  Chews up lots of electricity, too.  :-(  )

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. . .and bilateral something or other. . .I had this surgery done at the beginning of March because I have chronic sinusitis and needed more drains.  This is the test: I am having horrible allergies right now.   If the congestion in my sinuses does not drain and turns green and bacterial, I will be peeved.   Has anyone else had sinus surgery? — *************************************************************************** *** K a t e . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . sp…@hampshire.edu . Don’t want to make nobody angry Don’t want to wish nobody dead Don’t want to be the girl on the tilt-a-whirl hanging by a thread                           –Patty Larkin . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ****Check out the Kate Page at http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~kmlF92*************

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All – I went to see an ENT who had me do a CAT scan and told me that my turbinates were swollen (hence why my left nostril is blocked 80% – 90% of the time). He also mentioned that I had a little swelling in my sinuses but nothing serious.  He hence recommended turbinate reduction.  Note that I have tried prescribed nose sprays for years with not much improvement. I am going to get a second opinion but I just wanted to confirm that this sounds like "normal" diagnosis.  I always also wondering if there are folks out here who have had the surgery done in the past and what their results were.  From what he told me, it didn’t seem like a big deal. Thanks in advance for your responses. ice

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On 18 Aug 2005 08:11:35 -0700, "ice" <ama…@hotmail.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->All – >I went to see an ENT who had me do a CAT scan and told me that my >turbinates >were swollen (hence why my left nostril is blocked 80% – 90% of the >time). >He also mentioned that I had a little swelling in my sinuses but >nothing >serious.  He hence recommended turbinate reduction.  Note that I have >tried >prescribed nose sprays for years with not much improvement. >I am going to get a second opinion but I just wanted to confirm that >this >sounds like "normal" diagnosis.  I always also wondering if there are >folks >out here who have had the surgery done in the past and what their >results >were.  From what he told me, it didn’t seem like a big deal.

It sounds reasonable. The main issue is that a few less-skilled doctors do excessive or careless turbinate reductions which fail to spare the mucosa, leading to problems later on…..

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Don – Thanks much for your reply.  Did you ever have this procedure done?  If so, what were the results in your case? Thanks. Ice

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On 19 Aug 2005 04:38:46 -0700, "ice" <ama…@hotmail.com> wrote: >Thanks much for your reply.  Did you ever have this procedure done?  If >so, what were the results in your case?

Yes I had it and other procedures done. It certainly allows me to breathe much better through my nose and there has been no downside. My sinusitis is improving gradually too. OI had one of the top sinus surgeons do it. As I mentioned,  the issue is not does the procedure help – it certainly can. The main issue is possible adverse results when it is done incorrectly occasionally.  Every single ENT is allowed to practise sinus surgery and skills and experience do vary and can make a difference.

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Allergy shots worked for me, but they take a while.  You may want to consider allergy shots, if you have not already tried them, before surgery.

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I have had this constant drainage down the back of my throat for 4 weeks..yellowish green..went to the doc’s and she put me on antibiotics for two weeks..nothing has changed, I have been smelling this odd odor in my nose also..strange smell..it is the odor that I am most concerned with.  Went to a ENT doc last week…had a CTA scan today of my sinuses..has anyone else ever experienced this?  I have had no sinus pain or headach associated with any of these symptoms..what could it be?? Help!!

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tweetyc200 wrote: > I have had this constant drainage down the back of my throat for 4 > weeks..yellowish green..went to the doc’s and she put me on antibiotics > for two weeks..

Which one?  What dose? > nothing has changed, I have been smelling this odd odor in > my nose also..strange smell..it is the odor that I am most concerned with. >  Went to a ENT doc last week…had a CTA scan today of my sinuses..has > anyone else ever experienced this?  

I have had no sinus pain or headach > associated with any of these symptoms..what could it be?? Help!!

Sounds like a sinus infection to me.  What were the results of the CT Scan? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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 amoxicilyn  for 7 days followed by  biaxin xl for 7 days ..had the CTA scan done today, will not know anything till the end of the week..

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amoxicilyn  for 7 days, followed by biaxin xl for 7 days…had the cta scan done today..wont know anything till the end of the week..just was wondering if anyone else had experienced this sensation of a strange ordor when inhaling..with a sinus infection..

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>amoxicilyn  for 7 days, followed by biaxin xl for 7 days…had the cta scan >done today..wont know anything till the end of the week..just was >wondering if anyone else had experienced this sensation of a strange ordor >when inhaling..with a sinus infection..

 I always get a strange odor in my  nose and head while inhaling during  a sinus infection.

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After suffering with multiple sinus infections, year after year, for decades, I experimented with flooding my nasal passages with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. In order to flood my nasal passages and keep them flooded, I keep my forehead pointed downward. I keep my forehead down for quite a while, hoping that the anti-infective mixture can get to the infected area(s) within my sinuses and nasal passages. . It works! I have been sinus infection free for about 3 years. I think that I had chronic infection problems with my turbinates, so flooding my nasal passages with the anti-infective mixture worked very well, for me, since the infected areas were fairly easy to reach. . I have fully documented my experience and how I did it at Healthboards.com. There are posts there by people who have tried my "upside down sinus flooding" and have received either partial relief or total relief. There are also posts there from those who it hasn’t helped, and by those who don’t think that it is a good idea. I have no connection at all with Healthboards. I use it because I consider it to be the best facility for discussing health problems on the Internet. . To find out more, select one of the following links: .  Here is the link to the detailed documentation of the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding" and also some discussion: . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139765 . . Here is the link to additional discussion about the "Upside Down Sinus Flooding": . http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=129210 . . "If you save one life, it is as though you save the world" "tweetyc200" <tweetyc…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:62290adf3fc89a6af38f64fe028c6477@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have had this constant drainage down the back of my throat for 4 > weeks..yellowish green..went to the doc’s and she put me on antibiotics > for two weeks..nothing has changed, I have been smelling this odd odor in > my nose also..strange smell..it is the odor that I am most concerned with. >  Went to a ENT doc last week…had a CTA scan today of my sinuses..has > anyone else ever experienced this?  I have had no sinus pain or headach > associated with any of these symptoms..what could it be?? Help!!

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tweetyc200 wrote: > I have had this constant drainage down the back of my throat for 4 > weeks..yellowish green..went to the doc’s and she put me on antibiotics > for two weeks..nothing has changed, I have been smelling this odd odor in > my nose also..strange smell..it is the odor that I am most concerned with. >  Went to a ENT doc last week…had a CTA scan today of my sinuses..has > anyone else ever experienced this?

Yes.  In fact, for me those are the exact symptoms of an acute sinus infection:  Strange odor; yellow-green post nasal drip. If neither the amoxicillin nor the Biaxin had any effect at all, then it means that the infection is probably resistant to those two.  Did your ENT attempt to take a culture of some of the pus that was oozing out of your sinuses? If you seemed to show some improvement on either the amoxicillin or the Biaxin, then you may not have taken them for a long enough period of time to completely eradicate the infection.  Sinus infections are very stubborn.  Once the right antibiotic is found, you often need to take it for three weeks–or even longer.  One week of any antibiotic is rarely enough to cure a stubborn sinus infection. There are other antibiotics to try.  My ENT swears by Levaquin and Avelox. Let us know how things turn out with you. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email:  sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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I am so happy to hear that this "smell in my nose" that I am experiencing goes along with a sinus infection..this is the first really long lasting infection I have ever had and the odd smell really concerned me…hopefully my ENT will prescribe some strong acting antibiotics as soon as she lets me know how my CTA scan went..  My GP refused to have me take antibiotics longer than 2 weeks, stating that that was long enough to take care of the infection..guess she has some things to learn about sinus infections.  Thanks for all the encouragement..

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tweetyc200 wrote: > I am so happy to hear that this "smell in my nose" that I am experiencing > goes along with a sinus infection..this is the first really long lasting > infection I have ever had and the odd smell really concerned > me…hopefully my ENT will prescribe some strong acting antibiotics as > soon as she lets me know how my CTA scan went..  My GP refused to have me > take antibiotics longer than 2 weeks, stating that that was long enough to > take care of the infection..guess she has some things to learn about sinus > infections.  Thanks for all the encouragement..

Print this web page out and show it to your doctor(s): "Antibiotic penetration into the sinuses is typically relatively poor, comparable to osteomyelitis. As a result, treatment generally must continue for at least two weeks in acute sinusitis and at least three weeks in chronic sinusitis. Six to eight weeks of treatment is not unusual." http://www.sinuses.com/md.htm — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email:  sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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I have this smell in my sinuses alot of the time too. My ENT said this is normal for someone with my condition. I’m not really sure what he meant by that though. My Allergist recently had me try a 4 week course of amoxacillan and then a 2 week course of tequin. Neither of them seemed to do anygood unfortunatly. We are continueing to do the allergy shots still. I may ask her about trying a stronger antibiotic when we review my new CT scans. So far my alergist has been the most helpful….My ENT has been little help at all. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"tweetyc200" <tweetyc…@hotmail.com> wrote in message <news:f89e309a0e33cd472b930f13c9495072@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com>… > I am so happy to hear that this "smell in my nose" that I am experiencing > goes along with a sinus infection..this is the first really long lasting > infection I have ever had and the odd smell really concerned > me…hopefully my ENT will prescribe some strong acting antibiotics as > soon as she lets me know how my CTA scan went..  My GP refused to have me > take antibiotics longer than 2 weeks, stating that that was long enough to > take care of the infection..guess she has some things to learn about sinus > infections.  Thanks for all the encouragement..

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sounds like postnasal drip. the reason the antibiotic may not work is that the cliia are not doing their job and not movng he bacteria out of the nose. see ent-consult for some suggestions. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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postnasal drip is not a sinus infecton. Antibiotics is not the treatment of choice. See www.ent-consult.com re getting the clia moving to clear this up. I am surprised no one else spoke of this. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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Six to eight weeks of treatment is not unusual." that’s when you don’t add irrigation to the treatment. In our 5 person ENT group, we rarely use antibiotic 6 weeks becuase we irrigate out the bacteria and restore the cilia movement . Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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I continue to use you irrigator daily at the request of my doctors for the last year and half. I have not seen any benefit in it easing my symptoms yet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -entcons…@aol.comnospam (ENTconsult) wrote in message <news:20040829025447.12238.00004655@mb-m01.aol.com>… > postnasal drip is not a sinus infecton. Antibiotics is not the treatment of > choice. See www.ent-consult.com re getting the clia moving to clear this up. > I am surprised no one else spoke of this. > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com

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recommend you ask your doctor about measures to increase mucociliary clearance. If the cilia sweep the bacteria out of the nose, the smell goes away. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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It is important to find out why this isn’t clearing you up. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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I agree. My Allergist and I just looked at more recent CT scans and she said that there was less signs of mucus in the films this time but I continue to experience problems still.

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I have always had that weird odor with infection also. I don’t however have sort of sense of smell for five years now unless I am on heavy prednisone. Your CT Scan will tell what is going on…hopefully. Trudy.

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"iamthezookeeper" <izmi…@aol.com> wrote in message

<<  I REFUSE TO HAVE A BATTLE OF WITS WITH AN UNARMED PERSON. >> Sorry that you have encountered a narrow minded, closed-minded individual. You can’t let the half-wits drive you away. The best thing to do is to ignore them. Once you find someone with an obviously off-the-wall, nonsensical opinion, just ignore them. By the way, what do you think about the upside down sinus flooding with peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt, as a treatment for fungal, viral or bacterial sinus infections?

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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:08:50 -0400, "iamthezookeeper" <izmi…@aol.com> wrote: >I REFUSE TO HAVE A BATTLE OF WITS WITH AN UNARMED PERSON.

You’ll find on Usenet that the only way to deal with insults is to ignore them. That actually makes the other person look bad.

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CanDo writes:By the way, what do you think about the upside down sinus

flooding with peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt, as a treatment for fungal, viral or bacterial sinus infections? I haven’t added peroxide to the mix yet, and I wholly believe in the upside treatment as it seems a great way to reach the ethmoids and frontals. My ENT turned me on to that, along with this weird rolling of my upper body side to side to reach the maxillaries. Hey, if it works, I go with it! Of course I shut the bathroom door lest others bear witness to their Mom’s antics and gyrations that clear the sinus cavity. The upside part with dexamethazone for five minutes I do in the living room and that always get a few giggles which helps me lighten up as to the seriousness of this dreaded disease.

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"iamthezookeeper" <izmi…@aol.com> wrote in message

<< I haven’t added peroxide to the mix yet, >> I don’t blame you. With your problems, and sensitive sinuses, the peroxide would probably strongly sting and irritate your nasal passages. The combination of the peroxide and the baking soda makes a very potent anti-infective, IMHO. << and I wholly believe in the upside treatment as it seems a great way to reach the ethmoids and frontals. My ENT turned me on to that, along with this weird rolling of my upper body side to side to reach the maxillaries. I’ve seen pictures of the "normal" pathway into the maxillary sinuses. It goes up towards the ethmoid sinuses and then down into the maxillary, kinda like an upside down V. Makes it difficult to get stuff in, or out of, I would imagine. Probably why your ENT has you do a rolling technique. What is the "weird" rolling? How do you do it? About your unfortunate encounter with Pamdomania…… On the Internet there are many opportunists and those with mental problems. Some "so-called" solutions from these weirdos can actually be dangerous. In fact, I think that some of what Pamdomania "suggested" were actually intended to cause harm to others. His website is filled with hate towards others, so it makes sense that what he would suggest that others do, would intend to harm instead of  heal. His next move would be to come back under another nickname.

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"iamthezookeeper" <izmi…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:6eb1828bfd0460219850518f62b259c0@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com… > CanDo writes:By the way, what do you think about the upside down sinus > flooding with peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt, as a treatment for > fungal, viral or bacterial sinus infections? > I haven’t added peroxide to the mix yet, and I wholly believe in the > upside treatment as it seems a great way to reach the ethmoids and > frontals. My ENT turned me on to that, along with this weird rolling of my > upper body side to side to reach the maxillaries. Hey, if it works, I go > with it! Of course I shut the bathroom door lest others bear witness to > their Mom’s antics and gyrations that clear the sinus cavity. The upside > part with dexamethazone for five minutes I do in the living room and that > always get a few giggles which helps me lighten up as to the seriousness > of this dreaded disease.

This regimen sounds like a signature treatment of my ENT (esp. the Dexamethasone).  It works.

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CanDo wrote: "What is the "weird" rolling? How do you do it?"

I put the solution into one nostril with my head back, I then hold both nostrils closed. I lean as far to left as I can with my head tilted sideways, the roll slowly to the back letting the solution travel through, keep rolling and lean as far to the right as I can, then forward over the sink and let go of my nose. I repeat each side three times and then gently blow my nose into the sink. I can feel the fluid travelling throughout it seems to flush the whole sysem. (The best part was having Dr. Lanza demonstrate this to me though.) I use the dexamethasone with the upside down for five minutes stance and I can feel it seeping into the frontals and ethmoids which is where I need it. I tried the laying on the bed with head down position but this was uncomfortable so now I put the drops in and lean way over holding onto a chair until I am completely upside down. Dr. Lanza said studies found five full minutes work best.  

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Don Brady wrote: "This regimen sounds like a signature treatment of my ENT

(esp. the Dexamethasone).It works." I agree. And if it works and is a sound practice I will go for it. At first my pharmacist couldn’t understand why I was go to put an opthamological solution into my sinus but after speaking with Lanza he ordered me some. I live in a very small town with a very small pharmacy so he never heard of this! It stung the first few times I used it but that went away.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"CanDo" <rasm1…@bellsouth.net> wrote: >"iamthezookeeper" <izmi…@aol.com> wrote in message ><<  I REFUSE TO HAVE A BATTLE OF WITS WITH AN UNARMED PERSON. >> >Sorry that you have encountered a narrow minded, closed-minded individual. >You can’t let the half-wits drive you away. The best thing to do is to >ignore them. Once you find someone with an obviously off-the-wall, >nonsensical opinion, just ignore them. >By the way, what do you think about the upside down sinus flooding with >peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt, as a treatment for fungal, viral or >bacterial sinus infections?

Hello, My eyes must be failing me; i couldhave sworn this was news:alt.support.sinusitis, not news:alt.kosher.sinus.wash Shouldnot we be so narrow minded as to beable to discuss other things regarding sinusitis, besides nasal washes, without being nailed to the cross, as usual, by the chosen few? If we cannot discuss sinusitis without chronically referring to nasal wash, then i feel there is a spam operation going on here, and if you want me to name it i would be more than happy to do so in each and every one of my posts from now on, by placing it in my Sig. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + MustRead!  http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 ___________________________________________________________________________ ____ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com                <><><><><><><>   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <><><><><><><><>

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Quick question: The nasal washes with Saline (breethe ez) make me more congested (anyone have any ideas here?), but the flonase or nasonex help. I don’t get infections. Do you all think doing a wash with Dexamethasone as you all describe would help? Thanks!!!!!

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"Mr_C" <andrew1co…@yahoo.com> wrote: >Quick question: >The nasal washes with Saline (breethe ez) make me more congested (anyone >have any ideas here?), but the flonase or nasonex help. I don’t get >infections. Do you all think doing a wash with Dexamethasone as you all >describe would help? >Thanks!!!!!

Hello, If you donot get "infections", what then is it you do get? Dexamethasone is just another steroid that shortens your life, thins out your bones, causes high blood pressure and makes you fat, so why would you want it. Steroids are just a cover-up for medical practitioners incompetency, so read the following please: &#65279;The first thing i must say is unless you are on your death-bed, use Amphotericin B only as a nasal spray, because it can and has caused heart attack when taken internally http://health.yahoo.com/health/ency/adam/003504/treatment http://www.umc-cares.org/health_info/ADAM/Articles/003503.asp   Here are all the things you need to know:: “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““““` Here is some latest coming out of the Mayo Clinic: http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935 “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““

Hello, We know a lot about Candida in the vagina, and are now just starting to learn about it in the nose/sinuses: Here are examples of things i wish to think about until i am finished or comfortable with my Amphotericin B wash (i still have over 2 months to go), as to how to safetly get acidophilus into the nose, as some sufferers have been discussing without shoving the bacteria and fungus ever deeper into the head, and ever closer and closer toward the eyes and brain. You soon learn, in a hurry what really works; no questions asked; no holds barred, when you are presented with an emergency as was i. I was in such dire straits i even blindly (blinded with pain that is) let Doc send me to the hospital for blood work, where i gasped with unbearably sharp pain every time i sat down. Doc had given me an anti-biotic for something (long forgotten), and after taking it for a while, i began to get colon distress – i knew what it was, so i stopped the anti-biotic, and began taking the best of the best acidophilus, which i purchased at the Health Food Store. I had previously taken this stuff for years, however, for some unknown reason had stopped. The best, most widely touted, most expensive, packaged acidophilus on the market didnot help; i fled terrorized to the Doc; she sent me for blood work; while there i knew it was idiocy, so began raking my brain – what little was still working, and came up with the realization, i should be using the

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Pamdomania wrote: > Hello, > Why would you want to deny this information to our > Grandparents and military retired? Do you hate old > people or just think they have no need for help for > their head pain? This fungus thingy is brand new and > our aged people donot know about it, therefore the > only way they are going to find out about it is if > we tell them and invite them to join in here at > news:alt.support.sinusitis. You people are being > cruel and selfish by not revealing our knowledge > to those that need it so badly. Really, some of > these people nearly died for your freedom, and now > you donot want them to know about what could cure their > head pain – you all are sick sick sick selfish sick as > far as i am concerned . . . Every single person in here > should cross/post to a different group that you may feel > could benefit, but, no, you are too lazy and self- centered.

I think if it’s that important (and there are people in s.s.i and a.a.p that are craving this knowledge) then take it upon yourself to periodically post a reminder in those groups that they can find sinusitis help in a.s.s. (better spell that out though)  Don’t cross post it.  Just invite them over once a week.

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"Pamdomania" <7957…@127.0.0.1:7501> wrote in message

news:412013f7$1_1@galaxy.uncensored-news.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "ARoberts" <a-rober…@comcast.net> wrote: > >"Paminifarm" <paminifa…@netscape.net> wrote in message > >news:3e0c1ce3.0408131737.53e45778@posting.google.com… > >> Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message > ><news:8ebqh0tfrcbnt4t15iloa21tbtstrhsmkn@4ax.com>… > >> > On 13 Aug 2004 10:09:18 -0700, paminifa…@netscape.net (Paminifarm) > >wrote: > >> > … > >> > ============================================ > >> > I am following your posts with interest. > >> > But why are they being cross-posted to alt.arabic.politics, and > >> > soc.senior.issues? > >> > That seems to be drawing off topic follow-ups (which thankfully are > >being > >> > ignored). > >> Hello, Don, > >> Thank you for reading me. > >> I cannot be exclusively yours, as i belong to the Information Highway, > >> and, still love you anyway . . > >Yes, but you are taking others along for an unwecome ride on that highway. > Hello, > Why would you want to deny this information to our > Grandparents and military retired? Do you hate old > people or just think they have no need for help for > their head pain? This fungus thingy is brand new and > our aged people donot know about it, therefore the > only way they are going to find out about it is if > we tell them and invite them to join in here at > news:alt.support.sinusitis. You people are being > cruel and selfish by not revealing our knowledge > to those that need it so badly.

A very touching, and self-serving ad hominem argument.  However, if you think it is of such critical importance, then you can make the miniscule extra effort to impart your information without cross-posting.  Because we don’t want you to cross-post, we must hate old people–nice try.

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I find cross posts useless in most regards because they often times result in dialog such as the following, ( which obviously does nothing to promote the wellbeing of the people of *this* online community ): http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=411cfa24%241_… —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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> take it upon yourself to periodically post a reminder > in those groups that they can find sinusitis help > in a.s.s. (better spell that out though)

<delurk> LOL!  as long as I’ve been reading this group, I promise, I *never* noticed that… <lurk> — —– Ruth Berry Signature Images http://www.berryimages.com 1 Corinthians 2:5  That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

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"Paminifarm" <paminifa…@netscape.net> wrote in message

news:3e0c1ce3.0408130909.25055fbf@posting.google.com… > knob <h…@dontmailme.com> wrote in message

<news:%wVSc.14843$nx2.13712@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Pamdomania wrote: > > > Hello, > > > Here i am after my vinegar-shower treatment with the Xlarge > > > honey bear container. There was so much stinging the only > > > "in" part was the ears. The last thing to continue stinging > > > was in between the butt cheeks. When i first started putting > > > the vinegar on my lips (earlier this morning) the stinging > > > pain  was arm-chair, gripping awful, now it is not so, and > > > the swellin in the top lip is gooooone, not so with the botom > > > lip, where it all started from the beginning, with sheets > > > of skin peeling off the lip, the size of half the lip. Now we shall wait > > > and see . . . > > Maybe I missed something…  What does this have to do > > with sinusitis? > Hello, Knob, > The "lips" happened, as you can see by reading my other posts, the > evening of the surgery and: > thank you for following along here in this group. As you see it is > all about my polyps, surgery, fungus etc. Also thank you for your > kindly help, and for your support, as well as informational comments. > I hope and pray we can continue to learn from one another in our > quest here at news:alt.support.sinusitis and other intersted parties. > Here is my interest/venture along with all the other things i am > trying; such as the vinegar: > The first thing i must say is unless you are on your death-bed,

here’s hoping, you fungus-infested Satan worshipper. Do you suck a goats dick for your master? —-== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups —= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers – Total Privacy via Encryption =—

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On 13 Aug 2004 10:09:18 -0700, paminifa…@netscape.net (Paminifarm) wrote: … ============================================ I am following your posts with interest. But why are they being cross-posted to alt.arabic.politics, and soc.senior.issues? That seems to be drawing off topic follow-ups (which thankfully are being ignored).

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Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message <news:8ebqh0tfrcbnt4t15iloa21tbtstrhsmkn@4ax.com>… > On 13 Aug 2004 10:09:18 -0700, paminifa…@netscape.net (Paminifarm) wrote: > … > ============================================ > I am following your posts with interest. > But why are they being cross-posted to alt.arabic.politics, and > soc.senior.issues? > That seems to be drawing off topic follow-ups (which thankfully are being > ignored).

Hello, Don, Thank you for reading me. I cannot be exclusively yours, as i belong to the Information Highway, and, still love you anyway . . . Yes, truth will truly set you free . . . Please, Don, donot nail to the cross.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Paminifarm wrote: > Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message <news:8ebqh0tfrcbnt4t15iloa21tbtstrhsmkn@4ax.com>… >>On 13 Aug 2004 10:09:18 -0700, paminifa…@netscape.net (Paminifarm) wrote: >>… >>============================================ >>I am following your posts with interest. >>But why are they being cross-posted to alt.arabic.politics, and >>soc.senior.issues? >>That seems to be drawing off topic follow-ups (which thankfully are being >>ignored). > Hello, Don, > Thank you for reading me. > I cannot be exclusively yours, as i belong to the Information Highway, > and, still love you anyway . . . Yes, truth will truly set you free . . . > Please, Don, donot nail to the cross.

"The truth" is that posting to totally irrelevant newsgroups about sinus problems is counterproductive to our discussions.

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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:12:14 GMT, knob <h…@dontmailme.com> wrote: >"The truth" is that posting to totally irrelevant newsgroups about >sinus problems is counterproductive to our discussions.

I have to agree.   Little damage has been done yet in this case,  so I think it will be ok (assuming that is the end of it). This is a support group,  so I hope people can take that into account and be a little more careful than in other newsgroups where all sorts of clowning around is often completely  the norm. Actually the original poster is making good on-topic posts here in general …….

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"Paminifarm" <paminifa…@netscape.net> wrote in message

news:3e0c1ce3.0408131737.53e45778@posting.google.com… > Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message

<news:8ebqh0tfrcbnt4t15iloa21tbtstrhsmkn@4ax.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > On 13 Aug 2004 10:09:18 -0700, paminifa…@netscape.net (Paminifarm) wrote: > > … > > ============================================ > > I am following your posts with interest. > > But why are they being cross-posted to alt.arabic.politics, and > > soc.senior.issues? > > That seems to be drawing off topic follow-ups (which thankfully are being > > ignored). > Hello, Don, > Thank you for reading me. > I cannot be exclusively yours, as i belong to the Information Highway, > and, still love you anyway . .

Yes, but you are taking others along for an unwecome ride on that highway.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"ARoberts" <a-rober…@comcast.net> wrote: >"Paminifarm" <paminifa…@netscape.net> wrote in message >news:3e0c1ce3.0408131737.53e45778@posting.google.com… >> Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message ><news:8ebqh0tfrcbnt4t15iloa21tbtstrhsmkn@4ax.com>… >> > On 13 Aug 2004 10:09:18 -0700, paminifa…@netscape.net (Paminifarm) >wrote: >> > … >> > ============================================ >> > I am following your posts with interest. >> > But why are they being cross-posted to alt.arabic.politics, and >> > soc.senior.issues? >> > That seems to be drawing off topic follow-ups (which thankfully are >being >> > ignored). >> Hello, Don, >> Thank you for reading me. >> I cannot be exclusively yours, as i belong to the Information Highway, >> and, still love you anyway . . >Yes, but you are taking others along for an unwecome ride on that highway.

Hello, Why would you want to deny this information to our Grandparents and military retired? Do you hate old people or just think they have no need for help for their head pain? This fungus thingy is brand new and our aged people donot know about it, therefore the only way they are going to find out about it is if we tell them and invite them to join in here at news:alt.support.sinusitis. You people are being cruel and selfish by not revealing our knowledge to those that need it so badly. Really, some of these people nearly died for your freedom, and now you donot want them to know about what could cure their head pain – you all are sick sick sick selfish sick as far as i am concerned . . . Every single person in here should cross/post to a different group that you may feel could benefit, but, no, you are too lazy and self- centered. PS: The vinegar does the same thing the gentian violet does, except it doesnot make you all purple – just makes you stink, and you can drink it too, to get the little albacan suckers that wind up in your crotch/butt . . . + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + MustRead!  http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 ___________________________________________________________________________ ____ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com                <><><><><><><>   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <><><><><><><><>

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Hello, Here i am after my vinegar-shower treatment with the Xlarge honey bear container. There was so much stinging the only "in" part was the ears. The last thing to continue stinging was in between the butt cheeks. When i first started putting the vinegar on my lips (earlier this morning) the stinging pain  was arm-chair, gripping awful, now it is not so, and the swellin in the top lip is gooooone, not so with the botom lip, where it all started from the beginning, with sheets of skin peeling off the lip, the size of half the lip. Now we shall wait and see . . . + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + MustRead!  http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 ___________________________________________________________________________ ____ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com                <><><><><><><>   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <><><><><><><><>

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Pamdomania wrote: > Hello, > Here i am after my vinegar-shower treatment with the Xlarge > honey bear container. There was so much stinging the only > "in" part was the ears. The last thing to continue stinging > was in between the butt cheeks. When i first started putting > the vinegar on my lips (earlier this morning) the stinging > pain  was arm-chair, gripping awful, now it is not so, and > the swellin in the top lip is gooooone, not so with the botom > lip, where it all started from the beginning, with sheets > of skin peeling off the lip, the size of half the lip. Now we shall wait > and see . . .

Maybe I missed something…  What does this have to do with sinusitis?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -knob <h…@dontmailme.com> wrote in message <news:%wVSc.14843$nx2.13712@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>… > Pamdomania wrote: > > Hello, > > Here i am after my vinegar-shower treatment with the Xlarge > > honey bear container. There was so much stinging the only > > "in" part was the ears. The last thing to continue stinging > > was in between the butt cheeks. When i first started putting > > the vinegar on my lips (earlier this morning) the stinging > > pain  was arm-chair, gripping awful, now it is not so, and > > the swellin in the top lip is gooooone, not so with the botom > > lip, where it all started from the beginning, with sheets > > of skin peeling off the lip, the size of half the lip. Now we shall wait > > and see . . . > Maybe I missed something…  What does this have to do > with sinusitis?

Hello, Knob, The "lips" happened, as you can see by reading my other posts, the evening of the surgery and: thank you for following along here in this group. As you see it is all about my polyps, surgery, fungus etc. Also thank you for your kindly help, and for your support, as well as informational comments. I hope and pray we can continue to learn from one another in our quest here at news:alt.support.sinusitis and other intersted parties. Here is my interest/venture along with all the other things i am trying; such as the vinegar: The first thing i must say is unless you are on your death-bed,  use Amphotericin B only as a nasal spray, because it can and has caused heart attack when taken internally http://health.yahoo.com/health/ency/adam/003504/treatment http://www.umc-cares.org/health_info/ADAM/Articles/003503.asp   Here are all the things you need to know:: “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““““` Here is some latest coming out of the Mayo Clinic: http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935 “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““ "Killing Fungi" http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/afung.html “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““ A neat statement to remember: "Amphotericin B The studies from the Mayo Clinic found that nasal lavage/wash with Amphotericin B is much more effective than oral amphotericin B, with virtually none of the side effects" “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““ Most fungi simply colonise the sinuses and sit there without causing any inflammation. Occasionally the fungi may invade the mucous membranes and provoke intense inflammation and allergic response. Even more rarely the fungi may invade the bones of the facial skeleton and damage blood vessels and nerves, even extending to the eye and brain (Mucormycosis) Continued at: http://www.medicdirect.co.uk/clinics/default.ihtml?step=4&pid=1733. “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““` Researchers at the Mayo Clinic found fungi in 96 percent of people with chronic sinusitis" http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““` Grapefruit seed extracts: http://www.herbalremedies.com/actomayclinm.html “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““ http://www.doctorfungus.com/thedrugs/Ampho_Deoxycholate.htm “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““ Therapy for the Amphotericin B deoxycholate, nose spray is: 3 months; 5 squirts each nostral; 2 times aday; Another Possible Procedure, however using ONLY the 10-squirts worth, and only done twice aday, and remembering this MUST NOT be swallowed; http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C55833.html The Sinus Flooding Procedure: a. Lay on a bed face up with the head hanging over the edge of the mattress so the nostrils are pointing straight up toward the ceiling. b. Use an eye dropper to fill each nostril with the rinse solution. Keep filling each nostril until the rinse solution starts to drip in the throat. Remain in the same position for 2 to 3 minutes. c. Roll over on the stomach and let the head flop forward over the edge of the mattress. Remain in that position for 2 to 3 minutes then sit up and let the rinse drain out through the nose. (THIS FOLLOWING DOESNOT APPLY TO US AT THE PRESENT AND/OR UNTIL AN ACTUAL "WASH" IS MADE AVAILABLE) d. Important: Repeat this procedure 45 minutes later. The two rinses 45 minutes apart constitute a single rinse session. Perform two or more such rinse sessions per day. Relief will typically be noticeable by the second day. It is not unusual for the sinus infection to be gone within three days. e. Repeat two sessions per day until the infection subsides. Very persistent infections may require five to seven day or more. “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““““““““` Amphotericin B deoxycholate nasal spray/wash is shipped in a cold pack and must be kept refrigerated. Only a one month’s supply at a time is available, because it is so perishable, however i finally found a "Dixie" Mayo Clinic near me and am now using the "wash", not "drops", and is $50.00 cheaper than the above-mentioned drugstore. “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““““““ Here are interesting statements i saw while rushing through the Internet. It is nice to know if you absolutely must put your life at risk with Amphotericin B, you can quickly get off of it : "Surgical treatment is mandatory. Initiate medical treatment with systemic antifungals once invasion is diagnosed. Amphotericin B (2 g/d) is recommended; this can be replaced by ketoconazole or itraconazole once the disease is under control". AND AGAIN: "Acute invasive fungal sinusitis Emergent treatment is necessary once this condition is suspected. Initiate systemic antifungal treatment after surgical debridement. High doses of amphotericin B (1-1.5 mg/kg/d) are recommended. Oral itraconazole (400 mg/d) can replace amphotericin B once the acute stage has passed. Treatment of the underlying immune deficiency, if possible, is desirable." Picture of chronic sinusitis: http://www.med.sc.edu:1000/chronicsinusitis.htm A tour of the nose and sinuses: Virtual Sinus Laboratory http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/sinus/lab.cfm “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + This, Knob, is my Sig; where is yours?:   MustRead! http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 Good luck, and may God be with you. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "TROLL ALERT" Psycho troll, "Harry" at: ha…@leavemealone.com Kidnaps nearly every one of my posts for the purpose of bombing them with libel, down-right lies and obscene smut, so please DoNot Feed The Troll. Just ignor her; every body else does. 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Does anyone know of an ENT in the San Francisco bay area who is familiar with and treating suspected cases based the Mayo work on Fungal sinusitis? All three I’ve been too regard it with deep suspision and will not treat based on it. The three include the folks at Stanford and UCSF. Are there definitive diagnosis criteria yet? Thanks Andrew

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"Mr_C" <andrew1co…@yahoo.com> wrote: >Does anyone know of an ENT in the San Francisco bay area who is familiar >with and treating suspected cases based the Mayo work on Fungal sinusitis? >All three I’ve been too regard it with deep suspision and will not treat >based on it. The three include the folks at Stanford and UCSF. Are there >definitive diagnosis criteria yet? >Thanks >Andrew

Hello, I happen to have a good ENT surgeon – he isnot a "clinic" nor anything of that nature – he is just a Doctor. With my surgery this time in the operating room, he was able to work on the yeast. Then i found out about the new diecovery coming out of the Mayo Clinic, and told him i wanted to try it; he finally let me, and i am on my first month. Remember this is new and no one has even heard about it yet, so you are on your own. I am going to give you some must reading, and in there is the drug store you can send for the medication (Amphotericin B nasal, lavage wash), or you can get the spray – next month i may switch to the spray, because you have to be on this for 3 months, and this "wash" is a bloomin mess and a half: + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + MustRead!  http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 ___________________________________________________________________________ ____ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Accounts Starting At $6.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com                <><><><><><><>   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <><><><><><><><>

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Pamdomania" <7957…@127.0.0.1:7501> wrote: >"Mr_C" <andrew1co…@yahoo.com> wrote: >>Does anyone know of an ENT in the San Francisco bay area who is familiar >>with and treating suspected cases based the Mayo work on Fungal sinusitis? >>All three I’ve been too regard it with deep suspision and will not treat >>based on it. The three include the folks at Stanford and UCSF. Are there >>definitive diagnosis criteria yet? >>Thanks >>Andrew >Hello, >I happen to have a good ENT surgeon – he isnot a "clinic" >nor anything of that nature – he is just a Doctor. >With my surgery this time in the operating room, he was >able to work on the yeast. Then i found out about the new >diecovery coming out of the Mayo Clinic, and told him i >wanted to try it; he finally let me, and i am on my first >month. Remember this is new and no one has even heard about >it yet, so you are on your own. I am going to give you some >must reading, and in there is the drug store, which ships all over the world, you can send >for the medication (Amphotericin B nasal, lavage wash), or >you can get the spray – next month i may switch to the spray, >because you have to be on this for 3 months, and this "wash" >is a bloomin mess and a half: >_______________________________________________________________&#65279;

The first thing i must say is unless you are on your death-bed,  use Amphotericin B only as a nasal spray, because it can and has caused heart attack when taken internally. Here are all the things you need to know:: “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““““` Here is some latest coming out of the Mayo Clinic: http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935 “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““

Some persons can use regular salt and some can’t . All depends on how "raw" your nose is. Commerial Products used in Salt to Prevent Caking or Sticking Salt-Prevent Sticking calcium silicate, ferric ammonium citrate, silicon dioxide, sodium ferrocyanide, magnesium silicate, magnesium carbonate, propylene glycol, aluminum calcium silicate, sodium aluminosilicate (also called sodium silicoaluminate), and calcium phosphate. Preservatives used for Saline On the Shelf Products Phenylcarbinal Benzalkonium Chloride Sodium Phosphate Thimerosal (Merthiotate

Hello, Sounds as if it is polyps, get any Doc to look up your nose to see if you have polyps: The first thing i must say is donot use Amphotericin B except as a nasal spray, because it can and has caused heart attack. Here are all the things you need to know:: “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““““` Here is some latest coming out of the Mayo Clinic: http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935 “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““ "Killing Fungi" http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/afung.html “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““ A neat statement to remember: "Amphotericin B The studies from the Mayo Clinic found that nasal lavage/wash with Amphotericin B is much more effective than oral amphotericin B, with virtually none of the side effects" “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““ Most fungi simply colonise the sinuses and sit there without causing any inflammation. Occasionally the fungi may invade the mucous membranes and provoke intense inflammation and allergic response. Even more rarely the fungi may invade the bones of the facial skeleton and damage blood vessels and nerves, even extending to the eye and brain (Mucormycosis) Continued at: http://www.medicdirect.co.uk/clinics/default.ihtml?step=4&pid=1733. “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““` Researchers at the Mayo Clinic found fungi in 96 percent of people with chronic sinusitis" http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““` Grapefruit seed extracts: http://www.herbalremedies.com/actomayclinm.html “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““ http://www.doctorfungus.com/thedrugs/Ampho_Deoxycholate.htm “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““ Therapy for the Amphotericin B deoxycholate, nose spray is: 3 months; 5 squirts each nostral; 2 times aday; Another Possible Procedure, however using ONLY the 10-squirts worth, and only done twice aday, and remembering this MUST NOT be swallowed; http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C55833.html The Sinus Flooding Procedure: a. Lay on a bed face up with the head hanging over the edge of the mattress so the nostrils are pointing straight up toward the ceiling. b. Use an eye dropper to fill each nostril with the rinse solution. Keep filling each nostril until the rinse solution starts to drip in the throat. Remain in the same position for 2 to 3 minutes. c. Roll over on the stomach and let the head flop forward over the edge of the mattress. Remain in that position for 2 to 3 minutes then sit up and let the rinse drain out through the nose. (THIS FOLLOWING DOESNOT APPLY TO US AT THE PRESENT AND/OR UNTIL AN ACTUAL "WASH" IS MADE AVAILABLE) d. Important: Repeat this procedure 45 minutes later. The two rinses 45 minutes apart constitute a single rinse session. Perform two or more such rinse sessions per day. Relief will typically be noticeable by the second day. It is not unusual for the sinus infection to be gone within three days. e. Repeat two sessions per day until the infection subsides. Very persistent infections may require five to seven day or more. “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““““““““` Amphotericin B deoxycholate nasal spray/wash is shipped in a cold pack and must be kept refrigerated. Only a one month’s supply at a time is available, because it is so perishable, however i finally found a "Dixie" Mayo Clinic near me and am now using the "wash", not "drops", and is $50.00 cheaper than the above-mentioned drugstore. “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““““““ Here are interesting statements i saw while rushing through the Internet. It is nice to know if you absolutely must put your life at risk with Amphotericin B, you can quickly get off of it : "Surgical treatment is mandatory. Initiate medical treatment with systemic antifungals once invasion is diagnosed. Amphotericin B (2 g/d) is recommended; this can be replaced by ketoconazole or itraconazole once the disease is under control". AND AGAIN: "Acute invasive fungal sinusitis Emergent treatment is necessary once this condition is suspected. Initiate systemic antifungal treatment after surgical debridement. High doses of amphotericin B (1-1.5 mg/kg/d) are recommended. Oral itraconazole (400 mg/d) can replace amphotericin B once the acute stage has passed. Treatment of the underlying immune deficiency, if possible, is desirable." ““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +   MustRead! http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 Good luck, and may God be with you. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "TROLL ALERT" Psycho troll, "Harry" at: ha…@leavemealone.com Kidnaps nearly every one of my posts for the purpose of bombing them with libel, down-right lies and obscene smut, so please DoNot Feed The Troll. Just ignor him; every body else does. (: Nearly ten years ago I brought news: alt.arabic.politics back from near death, so donot let "Harry" ha…@leavemealone.com bulldoze it under as his ilk do to http://www.iap.org Proof Harry is also a criminal, because "Psycho Trolling" Is A Crime: http://www.fritzliess.com/troll_alert/archives/cat_troll_resources.html + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Jeffito123" <jeffyswo…@hotmail.com> wrote in message <news:726338e53574071bb85d37e3c7e1fead@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com>… > Hey! Lately, I feel like my sinuses are swelled beyond repair .  Is > there anyway to tell if the ostia is permanently swelled at home? > I would get a CAT scan…but I have to leave for the army in 2 weeks…so > I’ll hopefully do that AFTER boot camp …but ya..is there any home > checkup I can do? > PS…I’ve tried using breathe.ease XL nasal gel and seeing if I can taste > Xylotl but I can’t taste anything > Please help…Thanx !

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On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 19:09:49 -0400, "Jeffito123" <jeffyswo…@hotmail.com> wrote: >Hey! Lately, I feel like my sinuses are swelled beyond repair .

There are repairs available.  Is >there anyway to tell if the ostia is permanently swelled at home?

Unfortunately no. >I would get a CAT scan…but I have to leave for the army in 2 weeks…so >I’ll hopefully do that AFTER boot camp …but ya..is there any home >checkup I can do?

Why don’t you do it now if you have insurance so that you will know the results. I woudl only do it through an otolarygologist referral though, not from a general practitioner – the latter sometiems know too little to even interpret the reports, never mind actually view the films…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->PS…I’ve tried using breathe.ease XL nasal gel and seeing if I can taste >Xylotl but I can’t taste anything >Please help…Thanx !

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Hey! Lately, I feel like my sinuses are swelled beyond repair .  Is there anyway to tell if the ostia is permanently swelled at home? I would get a CAT scan…but I have to leave for the army in 2 weeks…so I’ll hopefully do that AFTER boot camp …but ya..is there any home checkup I can do? PS…I’ve tried using breathe.ease XL nasal gel and seeing if I can taste Xylotl but I can’t taste anything Please help…Thanx !

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What’s happened to this forum? Where has everyone gone, or has there been a new miracle cure that no one told me about? — Regards   David.

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:33:02 +0100, "David Belbin" <davidbel…@worldonline.co.uk> wrote: >What’s happened to this forum? >Where has everyone gone, or has there been a new miracle cure that no one >told me about?

There were 11 posts in the past 2 days. Do you see them ok? If no, your news server may have issues. That said, the number of posts has been lower recently – it may be because it is summer…

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Yes Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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No action. No sense of humour. No hope. Regards   David. "David Belbin" <davidbel…@worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message

news:41037e1c_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What’s happened to this forum? > Where has everyone gone, or has there been a new miracle cure that no one > told me about? > — > Regards   David.

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Hello, New "Miracle Cure": The first thing i must say is donot use Amphotericin B except as a nasal spray, because it can and has caused heart attack. Here are all the things you need to know:: “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““““` Here is some latest coming out of the Mayo Clinic: http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935 “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““ "Killing Fungi" http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/afung.html “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““ A neat statement to remember: "Amphotericin B The studies from the Mayo Clinic found that nasal lavage/wash with Amphotericin B is much more effective than oral amphotericin B, with virtually none of the side effects" “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““ Most fungi simply colonise the sinuses and sit there without causing any inflammation. Occasionally the fungi may invade the mucous membranes and provoke intense inflammation and allergic response. Even more rarely the fungi may invade the bones of the facial skeleton and damage blood vessels and nerves, even extending to the eye and brain (Mucormycosis) Continued at: http://www.medicdirect.co.uk/clinics/default.ihtml?step=4&pid=1733. “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““` Researchers at the Mayo Clinic found fungi in 96 percent of people with chronic sinusitis" http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““` Grapefruit seed extracts: http://www.herbalremedies.com/actomayclinm.html “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““ http://www.doctorfungus.com/thedrugs/Ampho_Deoxycholate.htm “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““ Therapy for the Amphotericin B deoxycholate, nose spray is: 3 months; 5 squirts each nostral; 2 times aday; Another Possible Procedure, however using ONLY the 10-squirts worth, and only done twice aday, and remembering this MUST NOT be swallowed; http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C55833.html The Sinus Flooding Procedure: a. Lay on a bed face up with the head hanging over the edge of the mattress so the nostrils are pointing straight up toward the ceiling. b. Use an eye dropper to fill each nostril with the rinse solution. Keep filling each nostril until the rinse solution starts to drip in the throat. Remain in the same position for 2 to 3 minutes. c. Roll over on the stomach and let the head flop forward over the edge of the mattress. Remain in that position for 2 to 3 minutes then sit up and let the rinse drain out through the nose. (THIS FOLLOWING DOESNOT APPLY TO US AT THE PRESENT AND/OR UNTIL AN ACTUAL "WASH" IS MADE AVAILIBLE) d. Important: Repeat this procedure 45 minutes later. The two rinses 45 minutes apart constitute a single rinse session. Perform two or more such rinse sessions per day. Relief will typically be noticeable by the second day. It is not unusual for the sinus infection to be gone within three days. e. Repeat two sessions per day until the infection subsides. Very persistent infections may require five to seven day or more. “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““““““““` Amphotericin B deoxycholate nasal spray/wash is shipped in a cold pack and must be kept refrigerated. Only a one month’s supply at a time is available, because it is so perishable, however i finally found a "Dixie" Mayo Clinic near me and am now using the "wash", not "drops". “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““““““ Here are interesting statements i saw while rushing through the Internet. It is nice to know if you absolutely must put your life at risk with Amphotericin B, you can quickly get off of it : "Surgical treatment is mandatory. Initiate medical treatment with systemic antifungals once invasion is diagnosed. Amphotericin B (2 g/d) is recommended; this can be replaced by ketoconazole or itraconazole once the disease is under control". AND AGAIN: "Acute invasive fungal sinusitis Emergent treatment is necessary once this condition is suspected. Initiate systemic antifungal treatment after surgical debridement. High doses of amphotericin B (1-1.5 mg/kg/d) are recommended. Oral itraconazole (400 mg/d) can replace amphotericin B once the acute stage has passed. Treatment of the underlying immune deficiency, if possible, is desirable." ““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +   MustRead! http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 Good luck, and may God be with you. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "TROLL ALERT" Psycho troll, "Harry" at: ha…@leavemealone.com Kidnaps nearly every one of my posts for the purpose of bombing them with libel, down-right lies and obscene smut, so please DoNot Feed The Troll. Just ignor him; every body else does. (: Nearly ten years ago I brought news: alt.arabic.politics back from near death, so donot let "Harry" ha…@leavemealone.com bulldoze it under as his ilk do to http://www.iap.org Proof Harry is also a criminal, because "Psycho Trolling" Is A Crime: http://www.fritzliess.com/troll_alert/archives/cat_troll_resources.html + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"David Belbin" <davidbel…@worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message <news:410df89a$1_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>… > No action. > No sense of humour. > No hope. > Regards   David. > "David Belbin" <davidbel…@worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message > news:41037e1c_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com… > > What’s happened to this forum? > > Where has everyone gone, or has there been a new miracle cure that no one > > told me about? > > — > > Regards   David.

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You are a fucking disgusting cunt, broadcasting to the world the problems about the mould and fungus growing in your disgusting disease ridden shnozzle. I suggest that you cut your body off and leave your nose to recover. With you attached to it, it’ll always be sick. "Paminifarm" <paminifa…@netscape.net> wrote in message

news:3e0c1ce3.0408021154.21e2c925@posting.google.com… > Hello, > New "Miracle Cure": > The first thing i must say is donot use Amphotericin B except as a > nasal spray, because it can > and has caused heart attack. > Here are all the things you need to know::

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` “““““““““““““““ > Here is some latest coming out of the Mayo Clinic: > http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““` > "Killing Fungi" > http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/afung.html

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““““““` > A neat statement to remember: > "Amphotericin B > The studies from the Mayo Clinic found that nasal lavage/wash with > Amphotericin B is much more effective than oral amphotericin B, with > virtually none of the side effects"

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““““““““` > Most fungi simply colonise the sinuses and sit there without causing > any inflammation. > Occasionally the fungi may invade the mucous membranes and provoke > intense inflammation > and allergic response. Even more rarely the fungi may invade the bones > of the facial skeleton > and damage blood vessels and nerves, even extending to the eye and > brain (Mucormycosis) > Continued at: > http://www.medicdirect.co.uk/clinics/default.ihtml?step=4&pid=1733.

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““““““““““ > Researchers > at the Mayo Clinic found fungi in 96 percent of people with chronic > sinusitis" > http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““““““““ > Grapefruit seed extracts: > http://www.herbalremedies.com/actomayclinm.html

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` “““““““““““““` > http://www.doctorfungus.com/thedrugs/Ampho_Deoxycholate.htm

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` “““` – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Therapy for the Amphotericin B deoxycholate, nose spray is: > 3 months; > 5 squirts each nostral; > 2 times aday; > Another Possible Procedure, however using ONLY the 10-squirts worth, > and only done twice > aday, and remembering this MUST NOT be swallowed; > http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C55833.html > The Sinus Flooding Procedure: > a. Lay on a bed face up with the head hanging over the edge of the > mattress so the nostrils are > pointing straight up toward the ceiling. > b. Use an eye dropper to fill each nostril with the rinse solution. > Keep filling each nostril until > the rinse solution starts to drip in the throat. Remain in the same > position for 2 to 3 minutes. > c. Roll over on the stomach and let the head flop forward over the > edge of the mattress. Remain > in that position for 2 to 3 minutes then sit up and let the rinse > drain out through the nose. > (THIS FOLLOWING DOESNOT APPLY TO US AT THE PRESENT AND/OR UNTIL AN > ACTUAL "WASH" IS MADE AVAILIBLE) > d. Important: Repeat this procedure 45 minutes later. The two rinses > 45 minutes apart constitute > a single rinse session. Perform two or more such rinse sessions per > day. Relief will typically be > noticeable by the second day. It is not unusual for the sinus > infection to be gone within three > days. > e. Repeat two sessions per day until the infection subsides. Very > persistent infections may > require five to seven day or more.

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““““““““““““““““ > Amphotericin B deoxycholate nasal spray/wash is shipped in a cold pack > and must be kept > refrigerated. Only a one month’s supply at a time is available, > because it is so perishable, however i finally found a "Dixie" Mayo > Clinic near me and am now using the "wash", not "drops".

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““““““““““““` – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here are interesting statements i saw while rushing through the > Internet. It is nice to know if you > absolutely must put your life at risk with Amphotericin B, you can > quickly get off of it : > "Surgical treatment is mandatory. Initiate medical treatment with > systemic antifungals once > invasion is diagnosed. Amphotericin B (2 g/d) is recommended; this can > be replaced by > ketoconazole or itraconazole once the disease is under control". > AND AGAIN: > "Acute invasive fungal sinusitis > Emergent treatment is necessary once this condition is suspected. > Initiate systemic antifungal > treatment after surgical debridement. High doses of amphotericin B > (1-1.5 mg/kg/d) are > recommended. Oral itraconazole (400 mg/d) can replace amphotericin B > once the acute stage > has passed. Treatment of the underlying immune deficiency, if > possible, is desirable." > ““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + > MustRead! http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM > "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 > Good luck, and may God be with you. > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + > "TROLL ALERT" > Psycho troll, "Harry" at: ha…@leavemealone.com > Kidnaps nearly every one of my > posts for the purpose of bombing > them with libel, down-right lies > and obscene smut, so please DoNot > Feed The Troll. Just ignor him; every > body else does. (: > Nearly ten years ago I brought > news: alt.arabic.politics > back from near death, so donot let > "Harry" ha…@leavemealone.com > bulldoze it under as his ilk do to > http://www.iap.org > Proof Harry is also a criminal, because "Psycho Trolling" Is A Crime: > http://www.fritzliess.com/troll_alert/archives/cat_troll_resources.html > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + > "David Belbin" <davidbel…@worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message

<news:410df89a$1_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > No action. > > No sense of humour. > > No hope. > > Regards   David. > > "David Belbin" <davidbel…@worldonline.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:41037e1c_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com… > > > What’s happened to this forum? > > > Where has everyone gone, or has there been a new miracle cure that no one > > > told me about? > > > — > > > Regards   David.

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Hi Don I must apologise to yourself and the whole group for my impatience. The fact is that I am only getting a few posts from my server.(Only my own on this thread and have now had to access on Google.) Have tried unsubscribing, re-setting the list and changing my server,(within Tiscali) Bit of a puzzle.  crept up on me.  Will have to contact support. regards David. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message <news:j207g0lqjjltne8a243ggqp3jpc3vadtn2@4ax.com>… > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:33:02 +0100, "David Belbin" > <davidbel…@worldonline.co.uk> wrote: > >What’s happened to this forum? > >Where has everyone gone, or has there been a new miracle cure that no one > >told me about? > There were 11 posts in the past 2 days. > Do you see them ok? > If no, your news server may have issues. > That said, the number of posts has been lower recently – it may be because it > is summer…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -paminifa…@netscape.net (Paminifarm) wrote in message <news:3e0c1ce3.0407220913.6f2c5dfd@posting.google.com>… > Hello, > The first thing i must say is donot use Amphotericin B except as a > nasal spray, because it can > and has caused heart attack.  I just had surgery and have now started > Minocycline therapy (6 to > 18 months), and as soon as we get the blood clots and scabs out of my > nose from the > polyp/fungus surgery, i will also, at the same time, be trying out the > latest from: > 800-774-SINUS (7468) > http://www.sinucare.com/publish/article_26.shtml   > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““““` > Here is some latest coming out of the Mayo Clinic: > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935 > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““` > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935 > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““ > A neat statement to remember: > "Amphotericin B > The studies from the Mayo Clinic found that nasal lavage/wash with > Amphotericin B is much more effective than oral amphotericin B, with > virtually none of the side effects" > “““““““““““““““““““““ > http://www.medicdirect.co.uk/clinics/default.ihtml?step=4&pid=1733 > Most fungi simply colonise the sinuses and sit there without causing > any inflammation. > Occasionally the fungi may invade the mucous membranes and provoke > intense inflammation > and allergic response. Even more rarely the fungi may invade the bones > of the facial skeleton > and damage blood vessels and nerves, even extending to the eye and > brain (Mucormycosis). > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““` > Researchers > at the Mayo Clinic found fungi in 96 percent of people with chronic > sinusitis" > http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““` > Grapefruit seed extracts: > http://www.herbalremedies.com/actomayclinm.html > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““ > http://www.doctorfungus.com/thedrugs/Ampho_Deoxycholate.htm > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““ > Therapy for the Amphotericin B deoxycholate, nose spray/wash > should be something as this, or would be if i could get the > wash info. instead of the spray (the wash would probably > be a weaker solution, but you still have to do it for 3 months, > because fungus is like that, there is no other way): > 3 MONTHS; > 5 squirts each nostral; > 2 times aday; > Another Possible Procedure, however using ONLY the 10-squirts worth, > and only done twice > aday, and remembering this MUST NOT be swallowed; > http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C55833.html > The Sinus Flooding Procedure: > a. Lay on a bed face up with the head hanging over the edge of the > mattress so the nostrils are > pointing straight up toward the ceiling. > b. Use an eye dropper to fill each nostril with the rinse solution. > Keep filling each nostril until > the rinse solution starts to drip in the throat. Remain in the same > position for 2 to 3 minutes. > c. Roll over on the stomach and let the head flop forward over the > edge of the mattress. Remain > in that position for 2 to 3 minutes then sit up and let the rinse > drain out through the nose. > (THIS FOLLOWING DOESNOT APPLY TO US AT THE PRESENT AND/OR UNTIL AN > ACTUAL "WASH" IS MADE AVAILIBLE) > d. Important: Repeat this procedure 45 minutes later. The two rinses > 45 minutes apart constitute > a single rinse session. Perform two or more such rinse sessions per > day. Relief will typically be > noticeable by the second day. It is not unusual for the sinus > infection to be gone within three > days. > e. Repeat two sessions per day until the infection subsides. Very > persistent infections may > require five to seven day or more. > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““““““““` > BTW: > Amphotericin B deoxycholate nasal spray/wash is shipped in a cold pack > and must be kept > refrigerated. Only a one month’s supply at a time is available, > because it is so perishable. > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““““““ > Here are interesting statements i saw while rushing through the > Internet. It is nice to know if you > absolutely must put your life at risk with Amphotericin B, you can > quickly get off of it: > "Surgical treatment is mandatory. Initiate medical treatment with > systemic antifungals once > invasion is diagnosed. Amphotericin B (2 g/d) is recommended; this can > be replaced by > ketoconazole or itraconazole once the disease is under control". > AND AGAIN: > "Acute invasive fungal sinusitis > Emergent treatment is necessary once this condition is suspected. > Initiate systemic antifungal > treatment after surgical debridement. High doses of amphotericin B > (1-1.5 mg/kg/d) are > recommended. Oral itraconazole (400 mg/d) can replace amphotericin B > once the acute stage > has passed. Treatment of the underlying immune deficiency, if > possible, is desirable." > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““““““` > The person that is having a terrible mucus problem should  read all > this, and, NO, noone, not > even you should be having soooooooo much mucus. I would suspect your > fungus/yeast whatever disease > has been forced into your nose, sinuses etc. big time . . . hehe, you > will know fur shur when you > get your first polyp surgery, and/or lose your sense of smell. And > remember folks, once you get > "clean",  keep your tongues and noses out of the Y where Candida is > rampant, and when on the > farm etc, donot inhale manure and/or products etc, where Aspergillus > is rampant . . . think > kitty/puppy, litter box = nose/sinus trouble, not to mention > sewage/drain problems (dirty diapers > will get ya too) . . . > Love Y’ll Anyway, Ya DirtBalls . . . > +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  + >  +  +  + > MustRead!   http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM > "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 > Good luck, and may God be with you.

Hello again, Here is something i can relate to and it works: http://www.mall-net.com/mcs/afung.html

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:23:09 GMT, knob <h…@dontmailme.com> wrote: >Perfect example of why not to cross-post.

Right – the original posted crossposted to: alt.arabic.politics,alt.support.sinusitis,talk.bizarre,soc.senior.issues

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Perfect example of why not to cross-post. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Harry wrote: > Who cares about your medical problems. > I hope the Amphotericin B gives you a heart attack as soon as possible. > It sounds as though your nose is as filthy and disgusting as the rest of > you. > "Paminifarm" <paminifa…@netscape.net> wrote in message > news:3e0c1ce3.0407220913.6f2c5dfd@posting.google.com… >>Hello, >>The first thing i must say is donot use Amphotericin B except as a >>nasal spray, because it can >>and has caused heart attack.  I just had surgery and have now started >>Minocycline therapy (6 to >>18 months), and as soon as we get the blood clots and scabs out of my >>nose from the >>polyp/fungus surgery, i will also, at the same time, be trying out the >>latest from: >>800-774-SINUS (7468) >>http://www.sinucare.com/publish/article_26.shtml > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` > “““““““““““““““ >>Here is some latest coming out of the Mayo Clinic: >>http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935 > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` > “““““““ >>http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935 > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` > ““““““` >>A neat statement to remember: >>"Amphotericin B >>The studies from the Mayo Clinic found that nasal lavage/wash with >>Amphotericin B is much more effective than oral amphotericin B, with >>virtually none of the side effects" >>“““““““““““““““““““““ >>http://www.medicdirect.co.uk/clinics/default.ihtml?step=4&pid=1733 >>Most fungi simply colonise the sinuses and sit there without causing >>any inflammation. >>Occasionally the fungi may invade the mucous membranes and provoke >>intense inflammation >>and allergic response. Even more rarely the fungi may invade the bones >>of the facial skeleton >>and damage blood vessels and nerves, even extending to the eye and >>brain (Mucormycosis). > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` > ““““““““““““““ >>Researchers >>at the Mayo Clinic found fungi in 96 percent of people with chronic >>sinusitis" >>http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` > ““““““““““““ >>Grapefruit seed extracts: >>http://www.herbalremedies.com/actomayclinm.html > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` > “““““““““““““` >>http://www.doctorfungus.com/thedrugs/Ampho_Deoxycholate.htm > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` > “““` >>Therapy for the Amphotericin B deoxycholate, nose spray/wash >>should be something as this, or would be if i could get the >>wash info. instead of the spray (the wash would probably >>be a weaker solution, but you still have to do it for 3 months, >>because fungus is like that, there is no other way): >>3 MONTHS; >>5 squirts each nostral; >>2 times aday; >>Another Possible Procedure, however using ONLY the 10-squirts worth, >>and only done twice >>aday, and remembering this MUST NOT be swallowed; >>http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C55833.html >>The Sinus Flooding Procedure: >>a. Lay on a bed face up with the head hanging over the edge of the >>mattress so the nostrils are >>pointing straight up toward the ceiling. >>b. Use an eye dropper to fill each nostril with the rinse solution. >>Keep filling each nostril until >>the rinse solution starts to drip in the throat. Remain in the same >>position for 2 to 3 minutes. >>c. Roll over on the stomach and let the head flop forward over the >>edge of the mattress. Remain >>in that position for 2 to 3 minutes then sit up and let the rinse >>drain out through the nose. >>(THIS FOLLOWING DOESNOT APPLY TO US AT THE PRESENT AND/OR UNTIL AN >>ACTUAL "WASH" IS MADE AVAILIBLE) >>d. Important: Repeat this procedure 45 minutes later. The two rinses >>45 minutes apart constitute >>a single rinse session. Perform two or more such rinse sessions per >>day. Relief will typically be >>noticeable by the second day. It is not unusual for the sinus >>infection to be gone within three >>days. >>e. Repeat two sessions per day until the infection subsides. Very >>persistent infections may >>require five to seven day or more. > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` > ““““““““““““““““““““ >>BTW: >>Amphotericin B deoxycholate nasal spray/wash is shipped in a cold pack >>and must be kept >>refrigerated. Only a one month’s supply at a time is available, >>because it is so perishable. > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` > ““““““““““““““““` >>Here are interesting statements i saw while rushing through the >>Internet. It is nice to know if you >>absolutely must put your life at risk with Amphotericin B, you can >>quickly get off of it: >>"Surgical treatment is mandatory. Initiate medical treatment with >>systemic antifungals once >>invasion is diagnosed. Amphotericin B (2 g/d) is recommended; this can >>be replaced by >>ketoconazole or itraconazole once the disease is under control". >>AND AGAIN: >>"Acute invasive fungal sinusitis >>Emergent treatment is necessary once this condition is suspected. >>Initiate systemic antifungal >>treatment after surgical debridement. High doses of amphotericin B >>(1-1.5 mg/kg/d) are >>recommended. Oral itraconazole (400 mg/d) can replace amphotericin B >>once the acute stage >>has passed. Treatment of the underlying immune deficiency, if >>possible, is desirable." > “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` > ““““““““““““““““““ >>The person that is having a terrible mucus problem should  read all >>this, and, NO, noone, not >>even you should be having soooooooo much mucus. I would suspect your >>fungus/yeast whatever disease >>has been forced into your nose, sinuses etc. big time . . . hehe, you >>will know fur shur when you >>get your first polyp surgery, and/or lose your sense of smell. And >>remember folks, once you get >>"clean",  keep your tongues and noses out of the Y where Candida is >>rampant, and when on the >>farm etc, donot inhale manure and/or products etc, where Aspergillus >>is rampant . . . think >>kitty/puppy, litter box = nose/sinus trouble, not to mention >>sewage/drain problems (dirty diapers >>will get ya too) . . . >>Love Y’ll Anyway, Ya DirtBalls . . . >>+  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  + >> +  +  + >>MustRead!   http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM >>"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 >>Good luck, and may God be with you. > —-== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- > http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups > —= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers – Total Privacy via Encryption =—

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Who cares about your medical problems. I hope the Amphotericin B gives you a heart attack as soon as possible. It sounds as though your nose is as filthy and disgusting as the rest of you. "Paminifarm" <paminifa…@netscape.net> wrote in message

news:3e0c1ce3.0407220913.6f2c5dfd@posting.google.com… > Hello, > The first thing i must say is donot use Amphotericin B except as a > nasal spray, because it can > and has caused heart attack.  I just had surgery and have now started > Minocycline therapy (6 to > 18 months), and as soon as we get the blood clots and scabs out of my > nose from the > polyp/fungus surgery, i will also, at the same time, be trying out the > latest from: > 800-774-SINUS (7468) > http://www.sinucare.com/publish/article_26.shtml

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` “““““““““““““““ > Here is some latest coming out of the Mayo Clinic: > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` “““““““ > http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““` – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A neat statement to remember: > "Amphotericin B > The studies from the Mayo Clinic found that nasal lavage/wash with > Amphotericin B is much more effective than oral amphotericin B, with > virtually none of the side effects" > “““““““““““““““““““““ > http://www.medicdirect.co.uk/clinics/default.ihtml?step=4&pid=1733 > Most fungi simply colonise the sinuses and sit there without causing > any inflammation. > Occasionally the fungi may invade the mucous membranes and provoke > intense inflammation > and allergic response. Even more rarely the fungi may invade the bones > of the facial skeleton > and damage blood vessels and nerves, even extending to the eye and > brain (Mucormycosis).

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““““““““““ > Researchers > at the Mayo Clinic found fungi in 96 percent of people with chronic > sinusitis" > http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““““““““ > Grapefruit seed extracts: > http://www.herbalremedies.com/actomayclinm.html

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` “““““““““““““` > http://www.doctorfungus.com/thedrugs/Ampho_Deoxycholate.htm

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` “““` – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Therapy for the Amphotericin B deoxycholate, nose spray/wash > should be something as this, or would be if i could get the > wash info. instead of the spray (the wash would probably > be a weaker solution, but you still have to do it for 3 months, > because fungus is like that, there is no other way): > 3 MONTHS; > 5 squirts each nostral; > 2 times aday; > Another Possible Procedure, however using ONLY the 10-squirts worth, > and only done twice > aday, and remembering this MUST NOT be swallowed; > http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C55833.html > The Sinus Flooding Procedure: > a. Lay on a bed face up with the head hanging over the edge of the > mattress so the nostrils are > pointing straight up toward the ceiling. > b. Use an eye dropper to fill each nostril with the rinse solution. > Keep filling each nostril until > the rinse solution starts to drip in the throat. Remain in the same > position for 2 to 3 minutes. > c. Roll over on the stomach and let the head flop forward over the > edge of the mattress. Remain > in that position for 2 to 3 minutes then sit up and let the rinse > drain out through the nose. > (THIS FOLLOWING DOESNOT APPLY TO US AT THE PRESENT AND/OR UNTIL AN > ACTUAL "WASH" IS MADE AVAILIBLE) > d. Important: Repeat this procedure 45 minutes later. The two rinses > 45 minutes apart constitute > a single rinse session. Perform two or more such rinse sessions per > day. Relief will typically be > noticeable by the second day. It is not unusual for the sinus > infection to be gone within three > days. > e. Repeat two sessions per day until the infection subsides. Very > persistent infections may > require five to seven day or more.

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““““““““““““““““ > BTW: > Amphotericin B deoxycholate nasal spray/wash is shipped in a cold pack > and must be kept > refrigerated. Only a one month’s supply at a time is available, > because it is so perishable.

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““““““““““““` – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here are interesting statements i saw while rushing through the > Internet. It is nice to know if you > absolutely must put your life at risk with Amphotericin B, you can > quickly get off of it: > "Surgical treatment is mandatory. Initiate medical treatment with > systemic antifungals once > invasion is diagnosed. Amphotericin B (2 g/d) is recommended; this can > be replaced by > ketoconazole or itraconazole once the disease is under control". > AND AGAIN: > "Acute invasive fungal sinusitis > Emergent treatment is necessary once this condition is suspected. > Initiate systemic antifungal > treatment after surgical debridement. High doses of amphotericin B > (1-1.5 mg/kg/d) are > recommended. Oral itraconazole (400 mg/d) can replace amphotericin B > once the acute stage > has passed. Treatment of the underlying immune deficiency, if > possible, is desirable."

“““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ` ““““““““““““““““““ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The person that is having a terrible mucus problem should  read all > this, and, NO, noone, not > even you should be having soooooooo much mucus. I would suspect your > fungus/yeast whatever disease > has been forced into your nose, sinuses etc. big time . . . hehe, you > will know fur shur when you > get your first polyp surgery, and/or lose your sense of smell. And > remember folks, once you get > "clean",  keep your tongues and noses out of the Y where Candida is > rampant, and when on the > farm etc, donot inhale manure and/or products etc, where Aspergillus > is rampant . . . think > kitty/puppy, litter box = nose/sinus trouble, not to mention > sewage/drain problems (dirty diapers > will get ya too) . . . > Love Y’ll Anyway, Ya DirtBalls . . . > +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  + >  +  +  + > MustRead!   http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM > "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 > Good luck, and may God be with you.

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Hello, The first thing i must say is donot use Amphotericin B except as a nasal spray, because it can and has caused heart attack.  I just had surgery and have now started Minocycline therapy (6 to 18 months), and as soon as we get the blood clots and scabs out of my nose from the polyp/fungus surgery, i will also, at the same time, be trying out the latest from: 800-774-SINUS (7468) http://www.sinucare.com/publish/article_26.shtml   “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““““` Here is some latest coming out of the Mayo Clinic: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935 “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““` http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=340935 “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““ A neat statement to remember: "Amphotericin B The studies from the Mayo Clinic found that nasal lavage/wash with Amphotericin B is much more effective than oral amphotericin B, with virtually none of the side effects" “““““““““““““““““““““ http://www.medicdirect.co.uk/clinics/default.ihtml?step=4&pid=1733 Most fungi simply colonise the sinuses and sit there without causing any inflammation. Occasionally the fungi may invade the mucous membranes and provoke intense inflammation and allergic response. Even more rarely the fungi may invade the bones of the facial skeleton and damage blood vessels and nerves, even extending to the eye and brain (Mucormycosis). “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““` Researchers at the Mayo Clinic found fungi in 96 percent of people with chronic sinusitis" http://www.drmirkin.com/morehealth/G220.htm “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““` Grapefruit seed extracts: http://www.herbalremedies.com/actomayclinm.html “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““ http://www.doctorfungus.com/thedrugs/Ampho_Deoxycholate.htm “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““ Therapy for the Amphotericin B deoxycholate, nose spray/wash should be something as this, or would be if i could get the wash info. instead of the spray (the wash would probably be a weaker solution, but you still have to do it for 3 months, because fungus is like that, there is no other way): 3 MONTHS; 5 squirts each nostral; 2 times aday; Another Possible Procedure, however using ONLY the 10-squirts worth, and only done twice aday, and remembering this MUST NOT be swallowed; http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C55833.html The Sinus Flooding Procedure: a. Lay on a bed face up with the head hanging over the edge of the mattress so the nostrils are pointing straight up toward the ceiling. b. Use an eye dropper to fill each nostril with the rinse solution. Keep filling each nostril until the rinse solution starts to drip in the throat. Remain in the same position for 2 to 3 minutes. c. Roll over on the stomach and let the head flop forward over the edge of the mattress. Remain in that position for 2 to 3 minutes then sit up and let the rinse drain out through the nose. (THIS FOLLOWING DOESNOT APPLY TO US AT THE PRESENT AND/OR UNTIL AN ACTUAL "WASH" IS MADE AVAILIBLE) d. Important: Repeat this procedure 45 minutes later. The two rinses 45 minutes apart constitute a single rinse session. Perform two or more such rinse sessions per day. Relief will typically be noticeable by the second day. It is not unusual for the sinus infection to be gone within three days. e. Repeat two sessions per day until the infection subsides. Very persistent infections may require five to seven day or more. “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““““““““` BTW: Amphotericin B deoxycholate nasal spray/wash is shipped in a cold pack and must be kept refrigerated. Only a one month’s supply at a time is available, because it is so perishable. “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` “““““““““““““““““ Here are interesting statements i saw while rushing through the Internet. It is nice to know if you absolutely must put your life at risk with Amphotericin B, you can quickly get off of it: "Surgical treatment is mandatory. Initiate medical treatment with systemic antifungals once invasion is diagnosed. Amphotericin B (2 g/d) is recommended; this can be replaced by ketoconazole or itraconazole once the disease is under control". AND AGAIN: "Acute invasive fungal sinusitis Emergent treatment is necessary once this condition is suspected. Initiate systemic antifungal treatment after surgical debridement. High doses of amphotericin B (1-1.5 mg/kg/d) are recommended. Oral itraconazole (400 mg/d) can replace amphotericin B once the acute stage has passed. Treatment of the underlying immune deficiency, if possible, is desirable." “““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““““` ““““““““““““““““““` The person that is having a terrible mucus problem should  read all this, and, NO, noone, not even you should be having soooooooo much mucus. I would suspect your fungus/yeast whatever disease has been forced into your nose, sinuses etc. big time . . . hehe, you will know fur shur when you get your first polyp surgery, and/or lose your sense of smell. And remember folks, once you get "clean",  keep your tongues and noses out of the Y where Candida is rampant, and when on the farm etc, donot inhale manure and/or products etc, where Aspergillus is rampant . . . think kitty/puppy, litter box = nose/sinus trouble, not to mention sewage/drain problems (dirty diapers will get ya too) . . . Love Y’ll Anyway, Ya DirtBalls . . . +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  +  + MustRead!   http://WWW.PAMINIFARM.COM "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6 Good luck, and may God be with you.

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