Dr. Weil advocates nasal washing
Question:
3000 years ago the Yoga wrote of using saline to sniff in and out the nose, with a certain "rhythm". Aparrantly that rhythm was a harmonic of 16 pulses per second. You can revive "dormant" cilia by waves of water or even sound waves. If you can sniff saline in and out 16 times a second then you don’t need the water pik. also the pressure must be at 5 PSI. I treat scuba divers. Many of them came to me because they couldn’t clear their ears. On examination they had slow nasal cilia. They can’t take drugs. So, I used the ancient yoga technique, adapted to a water pik, the tip to reduce the pressure and keep the frequency. Harmonic frequency is extremely interesting. If you make a sound on one sound board, the second one, if it has the same "sound character" as the first, will pick up that sound too. In effect this is what I am trying to do – transfer the water pik frequency to the cilia. Another factor is a principle – as the fluid goes past a narrow opening, this creates a vacuum. So, saline going past the sinus openings will pull mucus out by vacuum. But the pulsatile action of the water pik makes it much more effective. Another factor. Anglen and others have shown that pulsatile irrigation is 100x more effective in removing bacteria than straight irrigation. So, by pulsing you get a much better removal of unwanted material, you thin the thick mucus, etc. In summary, there was a need to restore cilia in the scuba diver without drugs and this fulfilled that need. Fortunately the same principle applies to all persons with sinus and post nasal drip problems. I appreciate your questions. I wish more readers would download the medical references to show their doctors. So many of you have written to me how you avoided surgery and more antibiotics and I appreciate that. Best wishes, Murray Grossan, M.D. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
Response:
On 28 Mar 2000 16:43:00 GMT, entcons…@aol.com (ENTconsult) wrote: >Another factor is a principle – as the fluid goes past a narrow opening, this >creates a vacuum. So, saline going past the sinus openings will pull mucus out >by vacuum.
What you’re saying is that irrigation works in part by the direct action of the saline and in part by the indirect action of the saline creating a vacuum and pulling out mucus that it doesn’t touch directly. Which sinuses does the saline touch directly — maxillary and ethmoid but not sphenoid and frontal? It would seem to me (a layperson) that direct action would be more effective. Why not simply have patients tilt their head backward while saline is in their sinuses to enable the saline to directly reach more sinus tissue? Perhaps patients could do this at the end of the irrigation, first putting the Grossan Irrigator down and then tilting their head back and flushing more sinus tissue with remaining saline.
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On 18 Mar 2000 19:10:55 GMT, entcons…@aol.com (ENTconsult) wrote: >Dr Weil is wrong about nasal washing. >You remove valuable natural defense products such as lysozyme when you >needlessly wash.
Realizing that it’s difficult to make blanket recommendations, what would you say is the optimal number (or range) of irrigations per day for: 1. A person suffering from acute sinusitis 2. A person suffering from chronic sinusitis with mild symptoms 3. A person suffering from chronic sinusitis who’s experiencing a cold or allergy flair-up
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Do you recommend nasal irrigation to prevent colds? PEH ENTconsult wrote in message
<20000318141055.17324.00005…@ng-xe1.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Dr Weil is wrong about nasal washing. >You remove valuable natural defense products such as lysozyme when you >needlessly wash. And simple washing doesn’t do enough for restoring the cilia. >It takes about 100x more saline to accomplish what pulsatile irrigation does. >You need to restore the cilia to have nasal/sinus health. >I see many patients who have harmed themselves because they sniffed too hard, >or squeezed the bulb too hard and pushed pus into the ear. Using the correct >pressure and salt content is important. >Of course you must take what I say with the understanding that I favor and sell >the Grossan Pulsatile Sinus Irrigator – see http://www.ent-consult.com >but I am interested in my patient’s health and object when misinformation is >presented. My product does have 30 or more medical journal publications to >validate what I say. >If you don’t have a nasal/sinus problem you don’t need to irrigate. >Murray Grossan, M.D. >http://www.ent-consult.com
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If you are susceptable to common colds, during the cold season, pulsatile irrigation will remove the ICAM-1 that is the entry way for the common cold virus and helps reduce the incidence of the common cold. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:11:53 GMT, Reid Goldsborough <reidg…@netaxs.com> wrote: >Realizing that it’s difficult to make blanket recommendations, what >would you say is the optimal number (or range) of irrigations per day >for: >1. A person suffering from acute sinusitis >2. A person suffering from chronic sinusitis with mild symptoms >3. A person suffering from chronic sinusitis who’s experiencing a cold >or allergy flair-up
It’s recommended that you irrigate your sinuses two times a day when you’re experiencing sinus or allergy symptoms or if you have a cold, or three times a day if you’re producing a lot of mucus. If you have chronic sinusitis with only mild symptoms, you should irrigate once a day. If you have no symptoms, you don’t need to irrigate.
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ENTconsult wrote: > If you are susceptable to common colds, during the cold season, pulsatile > irrigation will remove the ICAM-1 that is the entry way for the common cold > virus and helps reduce the incidence of the common cold. > Murray Grossan, M.D. > http://www.ent-consult.com
And when I finally did get a cold, I found that your pulsatile irrigator kept removing the secretions from my nasopharynx, so they didn’t drip down the back of my throat and cause the usual coughing, laryngitis, and even bronchitis like I used to get! I wish I had known about this years ago. But I am curious: Just how did you come up with this idea in the first place? Were you inspired by any of the mechanical apparatuses they used to use in the 19th century for nasal douching? — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: s…@mitre.org Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.
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In article <38D91236.64A6C…@mitre.org>, "Steven D. Litvintchouk" <s…@mitre.org> wrote: > ENTconsult wrote: > > If you are susceptable to common colds, during the cold season, pulsatile > > irrigation will remove the ICAM-1 that is the entry way for the common cold > > virus and helps reduce the incidence of the common cold. > > Murray Grossan, M.D. > > http://www.ent-consult.com > And when I finally did get a cold, I found that your pulsatile irrigator > kept removing the secretions from my nasopharynx, so they didn’t drip > down the back of my throat and cause the usual coughing, laryngitis, and > even bronchitis like I used to get! I wish I had known about this years > ago
Same here. I went 23 months without getting a cold due to using the Grossan tip and water pik. Then after I recovered from that cold, I went another 15 months before I got the next cold. I have now gone 7 months without any colds. > But I am curious: Just how did you come up with this idea in the first > place? Were you inspired by any of the mechanical apparatuses they > used to use in the 19th century for nasal douching?
Yes DO TELL us Dr Grossan—- how you became inspired to invent your miraculous sinus irrigator tip. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Dr Weil is wrong about nasal washing. You remove valuable natural defense products such as lysozyme when you needlessly wash. And simple washing doesn’t do enough for restoring the cilia. It takes about 100x more saline to accomplish what pulsatile irrigation does. You need to restore the cilia to have nasal/sinus health. I see many patients who have harmed themselves because they sniffed too hard, or squeezed the bulb too hard and pushed pus into the ear. Using the correct pressure and salt content is important. Of course you must take what I say with the understanding that I favor and sell the Grossan Pulsatile Sinus Irrigator – see http://www.ent-consult.com but I am interested in my patient’s health and object when misinformation is presented. My product does have 30 or more medical journal publications to validate what I say. If you don’t have a nasal/sinus problem you don’t need to irrigate. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
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Nasal irrigation allows your sinus medication to be more effective. If you’re taking medication for an infection (antibiotics) or to open up your nasal passages, washing out the insides of your nose will give your medicines the best chance of working. You need to wash your nose once you are well for good sinus health. If you are prone to sinus problems, you must wash your nose with warm salt water at least once a day. I wash my nose 2x a day at least and have for 5 years. Here’s part of what Dr. Weil wrote recently about this: "Regularly flushing your nasal passages with a warm saline solution is one of the best things you can do to relieve sinus congestion and prevent sinus infections. Unpleasant as it may sound (it’s also called nasal douching), inhaling lots of warm, salty water promotes drainage, speeds healing of inflamed tissues, and reduces pain." For Dr. Weil’s full message, click here: http://www.pathfinder.com/drweil/qa_answer/0,3189,1661,00.html Try nose washing (nasal irrigation) with warm salt water. ‘Ya gotta try it to appreaciate it. You will be amazed at how very soothing and helpful this easy, cheap and safe self-help measure is!!!! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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