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hi there, is it normal to hear sounds of liquid when i close my nose and inhale? is there a way to remove them? thanks. Regards/ Jerome
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On 28 Oct 2003 11:38:52 -0800, j…@i-manila.com.ph (Jerome Tan) wrote: >hi there, >is it normal to hear sounds of liquid when i close my nose and inhale? >is there a way to remove them?
Irrigation will clear out fluid accumulations. They *may* suggest allergies or sinusitis.
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Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message <news:qagupv8jbk83l0dphmd1epm9iq3v8s1gli@4ax.com>… > On 28 Oct 2003 11:38:52 -0800, j…@i-manila.com.ph (Jerome Tan) wrote: > >hi there, > >is it normal to hear sounds of liquid when i close my nose and inhale? > >is there a way to remove them? > Irrigation will clear out fluid accumulations. > They *may* suggest allergies or sinusitis.
it doesn’t… will myringotomy help? it has been this way for several years. 
Regards/ Jerome
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She already saw an ophthalmologist and was told there were no problems. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:16:22 -0500, Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote: >On 17 Mar 2003 23:32:53 GMT, s…@noedorsai.org (*selah*) wrote: >>Was wondering if blurry vision is not an unusual problem for >>people with sinusitis? >Blurry vision can be a serious eye problem such as a detached retina, so you >need to see an opthalmologist right away, especially if you see a veil or >curtain over part of the field of vision. Call an opthalmologist and dscribe >your symptoms on the phone to the nurse and she will help you decide what to do >and how urgently. >It can also be a non-serious problem, but in any case is best treated by >opthalmologists and not in the ENT field, even though a conenction might be >possible.
– remove "noe" to reply
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On 18 Mar 2003 07:49:23 GMT, s…@noedorsai.org (*selah*) wrote: >She already saw an ophthalmologist and was told there were no >problems.
OK sorry I missed that. Personally, I would see another opthalmologist in that case, for a second opinion.
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Was wondering if blurry vision is not an unusual problem for people with sinusitis? — remove "noe" to reply
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On 17 Mar 2003 23:32:53 GMT, s…@noedorsai.org (*selah*) wrote: >Was wondering if blurry vision is not an unusual problem for >people with sinusitis?
Blurry vision can be a serious eye problem such as a detached retina, so you need to see an opthalmologist right away, especially if you see a veil or curtain over part of the field of vision. Call an opthalmologist and dscribe your symptoms on the phone to the nurse and she will help you decide what to do and how urgently. It can also be a non-serious problem, but in any case is best treated by opthalmologists and not in the ENT field, even though a conenction might be possible.
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The doc’s right, you need a doc to help you rule out infections. Otherwise, welcome to sinusitis. What you describe is pretty typical. In my experience observing people with sinusitis, mild depression is typical. Try addressing both the emotional and physical aspects of this disease in your own way. I tried fasting for this, all I got was hungry. Waste of time, energy, and pounds. You want to get stronger, not weaker. You are right on the money with the physical exercise idea. Tremendously helpfull. Just remember… when you are having a sinus flair up, you will not be able to compete in top form. That’s just life. Don’t let it get you down. I like to say that people without sinusitis don’t know the difference between a good day and a bad day. When the good days come, savor them by working out at your peak. When the bad days come, mellow out a bit. Please don’t underestimate the emotional and mental health connection. Think about it…what happens when you’re sad and cry? -O "Julie and Brigitte" <ice_cre…@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:2vsJ9.298448$oRV.109143@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I started getting symptoms of sinusitis some years back- when the problem > started worsening- I went to see a few ent’s. I got a scan done– and > nothing. The doctor said there wasn’t much she could do about it. I went > to see a cpl of other ent’s, but gave up after realizing that I had to take > the problem into my own hands if I wanted results. > Since then– it’s been a few years, and it keeps getting worse. I have > constant film of thick mucus in the back of my throat, spit out brown mucus > every morning, sometimes laced with blood, and what bothers me the most– is > this. I can’t seem to be able to focus on anything. My brain is cloudy. I > can’t think properly most of the time. I can breathe through my nose but it > feels as though the air never gets to my brain. I have a horrible taste in > my mouth and have become extremely self conscious of it– to the point where > I avoid public situations, because I feel as though everyone will think I > smell. It feels as though I am in my own little bubble. My self confidence > has truly been affected by this. > I’m wondering if anyone else feels this way?? Has fasting helped anyone? > What about physical exercise? > I’m thinking/trying to start fasting and entertaining the thought of maybe > taking some form of martial arts… > I can hardly deal with the way I feel anymore and I can’t seem to be able to > talk to anyone about this because no one who isn’t go through it > understands…. > Would appreciate any input or insight!!!!! > eklectic_ch…@hotmail.com
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:32:53 GMT, "Oliver" <oliver557…@yahoo.com> wrote: >The doc’s right, you need a doc to help you rule out infections. Otherwise, >welcome to sinusitis. What you describe is pretty typical. In my >experience observing people with sinusitis, mild depression is typical. Try >addressing both the emotional and physical aspects of this disease in your >own way. >I tried fasting for this, all I got was hungry. Waste of time, energy, and >pounds. You want to get stronger, not weaker. >You are right on the money with the physical exercise idea. Tremendously >helpfull. Just remember… when you are having a sinus flair up, you will >not be able to compete in top form. That’s just life. Don’t let it get you >down. I like to say that people without sinusitis don’t know the difference >between a good day and a bad day. When the good days come, savor them by >working out at your peak. When the bad days come, mellow out a bit. >Please don’t underestimate the emotional and mental health connection. >Think about it…what happens when you’re sad and cry?
I agree – exercise helps enormously, both for your outlook and also *directly for your sinuses* I can keep mine open pretty well with the combo of steroid spray and exercise. Try a half hour walk (or run if you can) twice a day and just see if it doesn’t help way beyond expectations.
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I started getting symptoms of sinusitis some years back- when the problem started worsening- I went to see a few ent’s. I got a scan done– and nothing. The doctor said there wasn’t much she could do about it. I went to see a cpl of other ent’s, but gave up after realizing that I had to take the problem into my own hands if I wanted results. Since then– it’s been a few years, and it keeps getting worse. I have constant film of thick mucus in the back of my throat, spit out brown mucus every morning, sometimes laced with blood, and what bothers me the most– is this. I can’t seem to be able to focus on anything. My brain is cloudy. I can’t think properly most of the time. I can breathe through my nose but it feels as though the air never gets to my brain. I have a horrible taste in my mouth and have become extremely self conscious of it– to the point where I avoid public situations, because I feel as though everyone will think I smell. It feels as though I am in my own little bubble. My self confidence has truly been affected by this. I’m wondering if anyone else feels this way?? Has fasting helped anyone? What about physical exercise? I’m thinking/trying to start fasting and entertaining the thought of maybe taking some form of martial arts… I can hardly deal with the way I feel anymore and I can’t seem to be able to talk to anyone about this because no one who isn’t go through it understands…. Would appreciate any input or insight!!!!! eklectic_ch…@hotmail.com
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There are some very unusual bugs around these days. Have you had a culture? Has pulsatile irrigation been tried? What is maddening these days you get the patients who have never stepped outside of Park Avenue and they come down with bugs you never heard of before. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm
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dr grossan!! thanks a bunch!! i feel so much better after your reply!!! i am not sure either one of my doctors have worked with a patient who has used your irrigator but i want to ask them how and when and if i can "lavage" after surgery too! your system helped me enormously!! thanks patti
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It is not unusual to do septum and turbinates and rhinoplasty at one sitting and is it a considerable cost saving. the post op discomfort to our patients has been about the same. If your Dr OK’s it – just mail a note from him -to hydro med – for you to take Clear ease post op to reduce swellilng , Hydro Med will send you a supply for you to take so with less swelling should be less "bother" after surgery. references on Clear.ease are at www.hydromedonline.com Best, Murray Grossan, M.D. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm
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hey dr grossan!! i read your book!! excellent book!! wonderful irrigator device!! thanks for a great contribution–my surgery is scheduled for right before thanksgiving–long way off but now husband gets to do all the cooking!! HA!! —back to my original question–is it unusual to have two hours of sinus surgery (with the nifty laser-intra trak thing) followed by god knows how long of septology PLUS all my cosmetic things too? i want to have the hump shaved down and have the nose "brought back" a few millimeters (it "projects") PLUS! i want some "contour" changes to the tip and end–is this TOO MUCH in one procedure? the docs dont seem to think so but lets be honest i think they might like the idea of the tandem procedure etc–and they aren’t the ones who have to recover from the trauma when i first said i would have cosmetics done at the same time i was thinking i wouldnt want to go back after an ordeal to have yet another ordeal–BUT if it seems bizarre to have this much done at one i guess i could opt to have only septum and sinus passageways done and then go back at a later date—i am 52 years old so don’t think my "bounce back" might be as good as it once was! hmmm indecision indecision (of course it would be alot more $$ to go back later too)
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As an ENT surgeon it is usual to do the septum, the sinus surgery and the reduction of turbinates as the same time. sometimes we have no choice – unless we move the septum to the midline, we can’t get to the sinus openings. we certainly don’t want to do a sinus operation and then, weeks later, announce , "oh yeah, let’s go back now and do the septum" The question always is whether the septum needs correction or not. That’s one that doesn’t have a siimple answer. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm
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It depends on several factors if we are going to do "cosmetic" procedures at the same time as the sinus procedures. If there is considerable infection and possibility of a fungus, prefer not to do the cosmetic at the same time. It is is just opening the sinus openings and taking out some tissue, might consider doing the cosmetic too. You have to have a long discussion with your doctor on this. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm
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Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message <news:kdltnu8aqjg5366r6uc730qat8eua6kl26@4ax.com>…
. The risks are > small. We’re just pointing out they exist.
thanks don–i will take your advise about asking the sinus fellow–i really appreciate you’re taking the time to explain! patti
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I feel the exact same way, Ray. I kick myself everyday for it. Tom in article 4338b7f2.0209110443.26dc8…@posting.google.com, Ray Killeen at ray_kill…@hotmail.com wrote on 9/11/02 8:43 AM: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I had it all done by one of the best in the business(Philadelphia, > PA), all you need to do now is have him guarantee that you won’t loose > 40% of your connection to the world as you know it(smell & taste)and > have chronic discomfort/pain then you can play the odds 70%:) 30%:( > thats if you believe every thing you read and that people tell you. My > personal account of surgery curing people is 5%:) 95%:( . Difficult to > justify the risk in my mind but a personal choice in your mind. My > condition got much worse following surgery but Ivkers book plus a > great MD in Jersey and my allergist finally did away with the > infections. I don’t want to confuse you but make sure all options have > been exhausted prior to surgery so that you have no regrets. Good luck > Listen I don’t want to throw a screw in your decision making process > the bottom line is your desperate for a normal life, surgeons like to > cut you, maybe that’s the answer but hopefully you have tried every > other safer method prior to surgery because I did not and I kick > myself everyday because of it. > Ray
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pattimber…@aol.com (patti) wrote in message <news:3ee97583.0209051756.1f43eb01@posting.google.com>… > hi everyone–thanks to all of you i have finally seen the RIGHT > surgeon and he has evaluated me and thinks i will benefit from a > combined surgery to open sinus passageways, reduce turbinates and > correct physical structural problems. i talked with him at length > about "empty nose syndrome" re: the turbinates and he is VERY > conservative and indicated he will do minimal reduction–here is my > question–have any of you had ALL this work done at once?
I had it all done by one of the best in the business(Philadelphia, PA), all you need to do now is have him guarantee that you won’t loose 40% of your connection to the world as you know it(smell & taste)and have chronic discomfort/pain then you can play the odds 70%:) 30%:( thats if you believe every thing you read and that people tell you. My personal account of surgery curing people is 5%:) 95%:( . Difficult to justify the risk in my mind but a personal choice in your mind. My condition got much worse following surgery but Ivkers book plus a great MD in Jersey and my allergist finally did away with the infections. I don’t want to confuse you but make sure all options have been exhausted prior to surgery so that you have no regrets. Good luck Listen I don’t want to throw a screw in your decision making process the bottom line is your desperate for a normal life, surgeons like to cut you, maybe that’s the answer but hopefully you have tried every other safer method prior to surgery because I did not and I kick myself everyday because of it. Ray
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On 10 Sep 2002 21:55:34 -0700, pattimber…@aol.com (patti) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->oh geeees! now i am going to get all indecisive again! yikes—well 2 >different ENT surgeons have said i will be better off with "opening >the sinus passageways" (whatever that is called) PLUS some reduction >of turbinates PLUS the septoplasty — i have quite a LONG nose with a >pretty good hump and some "lumpy" contours near the the tip that i >have never been fond of (hey i’m a girl and i’ve got a very "strong" >nose–think prince charles (or princess diana except mine is really >more like charles! LOL) but i am 51 so i am sort of "used" to this >nose but it sincerely is NOT very feminine and it does seem to be >getter even longer as time marches on. since two surgeons recommended >the septoplasty i thought fine! i will get some of the hump and the >funny lumps whittled back at the same time–today i got a call from >them that the septoplasty is covered under insurance and they told me >what my part of the elective procedure will be–no one has indicated >what they think the sinus "success rate" will be–although i DO know >the sinus guy is really highly respected here in oregon–the other >fellow–the plastic surgeon seems alright too–i saw his before & >after book and it looked alright–do you think having all this work >done at once that i would be under the general "too long"? >HELP!!—now i am starting to waffle again!!
Not too long or they would not do it – just longer. If you’re concerned, you could ask the sinus surgeon if he sees any downside to having the plastic surgery at the same time. If he says there is no downside, then I would not worry about it too much. That could be a way to decide. I would also feel better if the sinus surgeon would be there throughout the entire time. Crossing the street entails some risks. So does driving a car. So does having sinus surgery, or having more surgery rather than less. The risks are small. We’re just pointing out they exist.
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> >this surgery. The sinus stuff is typically 80% successfull. Since that’s > >you’re true reason for doing this, does anyone think that the odds will > >change with the added proceedure? > >Personally, I think 80% odds are pretty poor for this kind of thing. I’d > >hesitate to add complicating variables. > I personally agree. Plus added time under anesthetic.
oh geeees! now i am going to get all indecisive again! yikes—well 2 different ENT surgeons have said i will be better off with "opening the sinus passageways" (whatever that is called) PLUS some reduction of turbinates PLUS the septoplasty — i have quite a LONG nose with a pretty good hump and some "lumpy" contours near the the tip that i have never been fond of (hey i’m a girl and i’ve got a very "strong" nose–think prince charles (or princess diana except mine is really more like charles! LOL) but i am 51 so i am sort of "used" to this nose but it sincerely is NOT very feminine and it does seem to be getter even longer as time marches on. since two surgeons recommended the septoplasty i thought fine! i will get some of the hump and the funny lumps whittled back at the same time–today i got a call from them that the septoplasty is covered under insurance and they told me what my part of the elective procedure will be–no one has indicated what they think the sinus "success rate" will be–although i DO know the sinus guy is really highly respected here in oregon–the other fellow–the plastic surgeon seems alright too–i saw his before & after book and it looked alright–do you think having all this work done at once that i would be under the general "too long"? HELP!!—now i am starting to waffle again!!
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:15:06 GMT, "Oliver" <oliver1…@yahoo.com> wrote: >Yes, I’ve had all but the "aesthetic" work done. >Just curious…. what do your doc’s think will be the effect of the plastic >surgery on the potential success, or lack there of, in the sinus portion of >this surgery. The sinus stuff is typically 80% successfull. Since that’s >you’re true reason for doing this, does anyone think that the odds will >change with the added proceedure? >Personally, I think 80% odds are pretty poor for this kind of thing. I’d >hesitate to add complicating variables.
I personally agree. Plus added time under anesthetic.
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You probably won’t be looking forward to going back > for quite a long time. > Greg Z > to thine own sound be true
thanks greg–i do have a good attitude–do you know where i might find some specific tips on how to recover the fastest way etc? recommendations re: vitamins supplements—etc?
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patti wrote: > thanks greg–i do have a good attitude–do you know where i might find > some specific tips on how to recover the fastest way etc? > recommendations re: vitamins supplements—etc?
Your surgeon should give you some tips. Most likely, he will tell you to do nasal irrigation starting some time after the surgery, to speed the healing process. He will also tell you that you may feel fatigued for a while, so you should get plenty of rest. If you’re taking a steroid nasal spray, he may suggest to you that you don’t use it after the surgery, because steroids can retard the healing of wounds. I have one tip for you that my surgeon didn’t tell me about: After the surgery, my nose was extremely sensitive. To avoid constantly sneezing, I had to avoid dust and other irritants. Beyond that, you don’t need to do much. Just eat a balanced diet. At most, you could take an ordinary multivitamin. Don’t waste your money on specific vitamin or mineral supplements. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlink.net
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Yes, I’ve had all but the "aesthetic" work done. Just curious…. what do your doc’s think will be the effect of the plastic surgery on the potential success, or lack there of, in the sinus portion of this surgery. The sinus stuff is typically 80% successfull. Since that’s you’re true reason for doing this, does anyone think that the odds will change with the added proceedure? Personally, I think 80% odds are pretty poor for this kind of thing. I’d hesitate to add complicating variables. Oliver "patti" <pattimber…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3ee97583.0209051756.1f43eb01@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hi everyone–thanks to all of you i have finally seen the RIGHT > surgeon and he has evaluated me and thinks i will benefit from a > combined surgery to open sinus passageways, reduce turbinates and > correct physical structural problems. i talked with him at length > about "empty nose syndrome" re: the turbinates and he is VERY > conservative and indicated he will do minimal reduction–here is my > question–have any of you had ALL this work done at once? (there are > corrections to be made to the internal "framework" as the doctor > called it and in addition i am going to opt to have some aesthetic > work done "as long as they’re there") this is going to involve two > surgeons and apparently HOURS of work (at least the sinus doctor says > his part alone probably will be two hours)–i am really looking > forward to being able to breathe well again (and maybe even look a > little better too–a bonus perhaps!) but i wonder–do any of you have > any TIPS or ADVISE for me? i am a little nervous about the whole thing > (and the fact it seems so lengthy and i have never had an operation > before) you have all steered me in the RIGHT direction and i am > grateful so recommendations etc are so welcome! > patti ps my surgery will be at oregon health sciences and the sinus > doctor uses intra trak computer imaging!! thanks to this message board > i KNOW about the differences in procedures!
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On 5 Sep 2002 18:56:26 -0700, pattimber…@aol.com (patti) wrote: >hi everyone–thanks to all of you i have finally seen the RIGHT >surgeon and he has evaluated me and thinks i will benefit from a >combined surgery to open sinus passageways, reduce turbinates and >correct physical structural problems. i talked with him at length >about "empty nose syndrome" re: the turbinates and he is VERY >conservative and indicated he will do minimal reduction–here is my >question–have any of you had ALL this work done at once?
I have and so have many others – it is not uncommon. >(there are >corrections to be made to the internal "framework" as the doctor >called it and in addition i am going to opt to have some aesthetic >work done "as long as they’re there")
That may be the most questionable part since it is not essential. > this is going to involve two >surgeons and apparently HOURS of work (at least the sinus doctor says >his part alone probably will be two hours)
That’s good in my book – it takes at least that long to do a thorough job in my opinion. >–i am really looking >forward to being able to breathe well again (and maybe even look a >little better too–a bonus perhaps!) but i wonder–do any of you have >any TIPS or ADVISE for me? i am a little nervous about the whole thing >(and the fact it seems so lengthy and i have never had an operation >before) you have all steered me in the RIGHT direction and i am >grateful so recommendations etc are so welcome!
I assume you have checked out the reputation and experience of the surgepn, and asked him whether he will do the surgery personally? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->patti ps my surgery will be at oregon health sciences and the sinus >doctor uses intra trak computer imaging!! thanks to this message board >i KNOW about the differences in procedures!
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hi don yes, the surgeon i saw will be doing it and his credentials seem great–he did not suggest the "refinement" that was my idea–thanks for saying what you did about the length of time involved—makes me feel better about it
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Attitude going in makes a big diff. If your a 100 percent confident with the surgeon you recovery will be easier. >>(there are >>corrections to be made to the internal "framework" as the doctor >>called it and in addition i am going to opt to have some aesthetic >>work done "as long as they’re there")
Ouch >>surgeon and he has evaluated me and thinks i will benefit from a >>combined surgery to open sinus passageways, reduce turbinates and >>correct physical structural problems. i talked with him at length >>about "empty nose syndrome" re: the turbinates and he is VERY >>conservative and indicated he will do minimal reduction-
Does that concur with your 2nd and 3rd opinions? >here is my >>question–have any of you had ALL this work done at once?
If it’s nessasary do it. You probably won’t be looking forward to going back for quite a long time. Greg Z to thine own sound be true
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hi everyone–thanks to all of you i have finally seen the RIGHT surgeon and he has evaluated me and thinks i will benefit from a combined surgery to open sinus passageways, reduce turbinates and correct physical structural problems. i talked with him at length about "empty nose syndrome" re: the turbinates and he is VERY conservative and indicated he will do minimal reduction–here is my question–have any of you had ALL this work done at once? (there are corrections to be made to the internal "framework" as the doctor called it and in addition i am going to opt to have some aesthetic work done "as long as they’re there") this is going to involve two surgeons and apparently HOURS of work (at least the sinus doctor says his part alone probably will be two hours)–i am really looking forward to being able to breathe well again (and maybe even look a little better too–a bonus perhaps!) but i wonder–do any of you have any TIPS or ADVISE for me? i am a little nervous about the whole thing (and the fact it seems so lengthy and i have never had an operation before) you have all steered me in the RIGHT direction and i am grateful so recommendations etc are so welcome! patti ps my surgery will be at oregon health sciences and the sinus doctor uses intra trak computer imaging!! thanks to this message board i KNOW about the differences in procedures!
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(Hope this isn’t too old a thread…) I checked with my pharmacist and he said the 25% glucose, 75% glycerol solution was unusual. Do you think it could possibly be 75% glucose, 25% glycerol? Thanks. Dick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"David Belbin" <D.Bel…@currantbun.com> wrote in message <news:3b7ac326_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>… > I had a very pungent smell from my nasal discharge for a number of years. > Initially I could only smell it when I had been cycling on a hot day. > Later, when I cleared my nose, others in the room could share this > disgusting odour. > I became very self conscious about this and my wife frequently complained > about the smell from my handkerchiefs. > At present it is almost gone. My surgeon recommended nose drops 25% > Glucose, 75% glycerol. (Pharmacist will make up this mixture without a > prescription.) Also, I believe that irrigating with a saline solution > helps this problem. (Fancy devices are not necessary. Sniffing the saline > from a saucer, over a sink, is very effective.) > Improvement doesn’t happen overnight, but I can sympathise with your problem > and it is working for me. > Regards > David
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Mark, Thanks for the suggestions on my question. I think that your ’smell’ issue is probably just related to the antibiotics or infection. A lot of antibiotics smell/taste bad, as does infection. When it clears up, it seems like it should go back to normal. I have lost my sense of smell and hope it clears up when everything else does. Good Luck, C – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mark Holmes wrote: > I’ve recently had a bout of sinusitis which whacked my maxilary sinuses > really bad and murdered my upper teeth. I was prescribed Minocin 100mg/bid > and that seemed to take it away (have been on it for 3 weeks), but now the > pain seems to be coming back in my cheekbone. Not sure what that is about, > but during these 3 weeks have also noticed a sort of sinusy smell when in > breathe in through my nose – not very pleasant – is this sign of infection? > I’m guessing Minocin initially cleared infection but now infection is > fighting back and winning. Am due for a CT this next Thursday – in the > meantime wondering about that smell and thought I would seek your opinion. > Thanks, > Mark
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Hi Mark I had a very pungent smell from my nasal discharge for a number of years. Initially I could only smell it when I had been cycling on a hot day. Later, when I cleared my nose, others in the room could share this disgusting odour. I became very self conscious about this and my wife frequently complained about the smell from my handkerchiefs. At present it is almost gone. My surgeon recommended nose drops 25% Glucose, 75% glycerol. (Pharmacist will make up this mixture without a prescription.) Also, I believe that irrigating with a saline solution helps this problem. (Fancy devices are not necessary. Sniffing the saline from a saucer, over a sink, is very effective.) Improvement doesn’t happen overnight, but I can sympathise with your problem and it is working for me. Regards David "Mark Holmes" <mhol…@netva.com> wrote in message
news:9l7iou01v3@enews1.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve recently had a bout of sinusitis which whacked my maxilary sinuses > really bad and murdered my upper teeth. I was prescribed Minocin 100mg/bid > and that seemed to take it away (have been on it for 3 weeks), but now the > pain seems to be coming back in my cheekbone. Not sure what that is about, > but during these 3 weeks have also noticed a sort of sinusy smell when in > breathe in through my nose – not very pleasant – is this sign of infection? > I’m guessing Minocin initially cleared infection but now infection is > fighting back and winning. Am due for a CT this next Thursday – in the > meantime wondering about that smell and thought I would seek your opinion. > Thanks, > Mark
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I’ve recently had a bout of sinusitis which whacked my maxilary sinuses really bad and murdered my upper teeth. I was prescribed Minocin 100mg/bid and that seemed to take it away (have been on it for 3 weeks), but now the pain seems to be coming back in my cheekbone. Not sure what that is about, but during these 3 weeks have also noticed a sort of sinusy smell when in breathe in through my nose – not very pleasant – is this sign of infection? I’m guessing Minocin initially cleared infection but now infection is fighting back and winning. Am due for a CT this next Thursday – in the meantime wondering about that smell and thought I would seek your opinion. Thanks, Mark
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Kate Flixonase doesn’t work for everybody, and if you have any possibility of sinus infection, you may need an antibiotic, too. I have severe allergic rhinitis, but don’t find that I get much in the way of real sinus pain unless I have some infection present as well. This isn’t always apparent. If your sinuses are completely blocked , you may not get much -or any- drainage. It might be worth asking your GP for some antibiotics just to try, if you’re feeling as bad as that. After three weeks of Flixonase nasules, you should be getting some improvement, I’d say. Is it an ENT, or GP, or allergist you’ve seen? You may get a different diagnosis from each! Also, if you haven’t had an endoscopic examination of your nose, you should be asking for one. Good luck Christine pkh <p…@pbchaplin.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:97d9og$60r$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been told that I have allergies and prescribed Flixonase nasules > (nose drops) which it is hoped will reach further into my nose. I have been > on them for three weeks now with no improvement. I understand that > steroids can take some time to work and I wondered what other people’s > experiences are with flixonase. > Under my eyebrows and frontal sinuses feel like they are red raw and I am > drinking litres of water and hot tea each day. I am irrigating once daily > and using Sterimar saline spray. I am also taking Guaifenesin in the form > of Robitussin. The whole thing is making me feel extremely tired and spaced > out. I have to stay at home and don’t feel safe to drive as I just can’t > concentrate. I am really hoping the flixonase will help. > Thank you for your help. > Kate
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Christine Thank you for your message. I saw an allergist who examined inside my nose. She said that I needed to get steroid medication up into the area near the top of the nose level with my eyes. I think I will give it another week or so and then get back to her. We have recently discovered a leak in a pipe in our downstairs toilet which has been around for some time. I also have ME and therefore am at home for much of the time. I am hoping that when all the damp has dried out this will help with the sinus problems. Thanks for your help. Kate "Christine Glen" <christine.g…@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:97hb18$nfm$1@uranium.btinternet.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Kate > Flixonase doesn’t work for everybody, and if you have any possibility of > sinus infection, you may need an antibiotic, too. I have severe allergic > rhinitis, but don’t find that I get much in the way of real sinus pain > unless I have some infection present as well. This isn’t always apparent. If > your sinuses are completely blocked , you may not get much -or any- > drainage. It might be worth asking your GP for some antibiotics just to try, > if you’re feeling as bad as that. After three weeks of Flixonase nasules, > you should be getting some improvement, I’d say. Is it an ENT, or GP, or > allergist you’ve seen? You may get a different diagnosis from each! Also, if > you haven’t had an endoscopic examination of your nose, you should be asking > for one. > Good luck > Christine > pkh <p…@pbchaplin.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message > news:97d9og$60r$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk… > > I have been told that I have allergies and prescribed Flixonase nasules > > (nose drops) which it is hoped will reach further into my nose. I have > been > > on them for three weeks now with no improvement. I understand that > > steroids can take some time to work and I wondered what other people’s > > experiences are with flixonase. > > Under my eyebrows and frontal sinuses feel like they are red raw and I am > > drinking litres of water and hot tea each day. I am irrigating once daily > > and using Sterimar saline spray. I am also taking Guaifenesin in the form > > of Robitussin. The whole thing is making me feel extremely tired and > spaced > > out. I have to stay at home and don’t feel safe to drive as I just can’t > > concentrate. I am really hoping the flixonase will help. > > Thank you for your help. > > Kate
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:06:39 -0000, "pkh" <p…@pbchaplin.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >I have been told that I have allergies and prescribed Flixonase nasules >(nose drops) which it is hoped will reach further into my nose. I have been >on them for three weeks now with no improvement. I understand that >steroids can take some time to work and I wondered what other people’s >experiences are with flixonase.
Irrigation may help also. >Under my eyebrows and frontal sinuses feel like they are red raw and I am >drinking litres of water and hot tea each day. I am irrigating once daily >and using Sterimar saline spray. I am also taking Guaifenesin in the form >of Robitussin. >
You should take the form of Robitussin that does not contain any stimulants. Both kinds are available. > The whole thing is making me feel extremely tired and spaced >out. I have to stay at home and don’t feel safe to drive as I just can’t >concentrate. >
That could be the Ronitussin if you are taking the wrong kind. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am really hoping the flixonase will help. >Thank you for your help. >Kate
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I have been told that I have allergies and prescribed Flixonase nasules (nose drops) which it is hoped will reach further into my nose. I have been on them for three weeks now with no improvement. I understand that steroids can take some time to work and I wondered what other people’s experiences are with flixonase. Under my eyebrows and frontal sinuses feel like they are red raw and I am drinking litres of water and hot tea each day. I am irrigating once daily and using Sterimar saline spray. I am also taking Guaifenesin in the form of Robitussin. The whole thing is making me feel extremely tired and spaced out. I have to stay at home and don’t feel safe to drive as I just can’t concentrate. I am really hoping the flixonase will help. Thank you for your help. Kate
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I have some surprising news! I went to see an ENT the other day, highly recommended by someone on the newsgroup. This ENT is the head of the Sinus Dept. at a major University hospital. I drove a couple hours to get there. He said something that surprised me very much. He said to stop irrigating!! He said that the irrigation can re-infect the sinuses. Also, that the irrigation stops the nose from doing its own cleaning, that it becomes dependent on the irrigation. That if I stop irrigating, hopefully my nose will get back to its own self-cleaning, to be a "normal nose". Has anyone else heard this? It really surprised me. Another thing that surprised me–high dosages of nasal sprays. Until I see him again, I’m supposed to use Nasonex, two sprays in each nostril 3x per day (instead of once), and also Astelin–two sprays in each nostril 3x per day (instead of twice). Those are high amounts. I’m sleepy from the Astelin. (Have others found Astelin to make you sleepy?) Feedback?
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– Mike & Heather Collins UK Mikecheath…@oakwellmount.freeserve.co.uk MS <dontwr…@tothisaddress.com> wrote in message
news:36fd95f2.0@news.cwnet.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have some surprising news! > I went to see an ENT the other day, highly recommended by someone on > the newsgroup. This ENT is the head of the Sinus Dept. at a major > University hospital. I drove a couple hours to get there. > He said something that surprised me very much. He said to stop > irrigating!! He said that the irrigation can re-infect the sinuses. > Also, that the irrigation stops the nose from doing its own cleaning, > that it becomes dependent on the irrigation. That if I stop > irrigating, hopefully my nose will get back to its own self-cleaning, > to be a "normal nose". > Has anyone else heard this? It really surprised me. > Another thing that surprised me–high dosages of nasal sprays. Until I > see him again, I’m supposed to use Nasonex, two sprays in each nostril > 3x per day (instead of once), and also Astelin–two sprays in each > nostril 3x per day (instead of twice). Those are high amounts. I’m > sleepy from the Astelin. (Have others found Astelin to make you > sleepy?) > Feedback? > I have been waiting for somebody to say this! I have never irrigated for
precisely this same reason. Also if you are continually irrigating it would be very easy to mask an infection. The mucus in sinusitis is produced as part of the inflammatory response. Think of inflammation as a process which produces a cascade of substances This cascade can be blocked at certain points The Astelin (anti-histamine) prevents degranulation of the mast cells and therefore release of histamine. The Nasonex (steroid spray) blocks the late phase reaction in which prostaglandins and leukotreines are implicated. This ENT is trying to alleviate the inflammation. Yes, Astelin makes me very sleepy but maybe it will be tailed down once it is under control. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Seems to me logic is a bit off here. Masking an infection? Perhaps better to say mitigating the complications — easing the congestion. Is taking aspirin masking the pain? If so, do you have a problem with aspirin? If irrigation helps remove infected mucus, won’t that help fight the infection? If irrigation aides in the movement of the cilia, wont that help the body to eliminate the infection naturally? Why don’t you have the same reservations about using Astelin and Nasonex? Why not let the body do it’s work here too? will the body forget how to do its job by using these drugs? I dont believe two mins. of irrigation will cause the body to forget how it is supposed to work. Seems illogical to me. — "Sometimes you gotta dance like there’s no one watching."
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Hi. yes, I have used high dosages of prescription nasal sprays periodically when I have a bad sinus infection, and it helps. As for irrigation, my doctor only recommends it occasionally, as a way to sort of "blast" the initial blockage. Usually when he tells me to do this, he recommends spraying with Afrin first, waiting a bit, and then irrigating. Three days on with Afrin, three days off before it can be used again to avoid rebound. tigger > Has anyone else heard this? It really surprised me. > Another thing that surprised me–high dosages of nasal sprays. Until I > see him again, I’m supposed to use Nasonex, two sprays in each nostril > 3x per day (instead of once), and also Astelin–two sprays in each > nostril 3x per day (instead of twice). Those are high amounts. I’m > sleepy from the Astelin. (Have others found Astelin to make you > sleepy?) > Feedback?
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The nose does secrete important bacteria fighting products such as lysozyme. And when the cilia are functioning the nose is self cleansing. Irrigation without restoring normal cilia may not be of value. The patients that I and others put on pulsatile irrigation are those whose cilia aren’t doing the job. They aren’t functioning for various reasons – effect of a flu, diesel or other fumes, exhaustion stage of allergy, or toxic effect of bacteria. This is easy to test for: it is called the saccharin test. You can have this test performed to see if the cilia are functioning normally at 16 pulses per second. If they are then you don’t need to treat. Most of the nasal diseases we see show slow ciia, hence the recommendation to restore the cilia to normal speed. Best wishes, Murray Grossan, MD http://www.ent-consult.com Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
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– Mike & Heather Collins UK Mikecheath…@oakwellmount.freeserve.co.uk Heterodox <heterod…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pQxL2.80$MZ6.507@nnrp1.ptd.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Seems to me logic is a bit off here. Masking an infection? Perhaps better to > say mitigating the complications — easing the congestion. Is taking aspirin > masking the pain? If so, do you have a problem with aspirin? > If irrigation helps remove infected mucus, won’t that help fight the > infection? If irrigation aides in the movement of the cilia, wont that help > the body to eliminate the infection naturally? > Why don’t you have the same reservations about using Astelin and Nasonex? > Why not let the body do it’s work here too? will the body forget how to do > its job by using these drugs? > I dont believe two mins. of irrigation will cause the body to forget how it > is supposed to work. Seems illogical to me. > — > "Sometimes you gotta dance like there’s no one watching." > Yes, I would have a problem with somebody taking aspirin if they had a
brain tumour or drinking gallons of lemonade when they had diabetes. Mucus production is just a symptom of sinusitis – it is NOT a cause. Inflammation and infection and probably a faulty immune system are the causes. Diluton of the symptoms makes diagnosis of infection more difficult. Removal of infected mucus may help to irradicate an infection only in conjunction with the appropriate antibiotic. Astelin and Nasonex tackle the cause and therefore the symptoms of sinusitis inflammation. I am asthmatic-I will always be asthmatic. It is very well controlled but that control is only achieved by a once daily dose of a steroid inhaler . It is not that the body has forgotten what to do but that it is doing it too well that is the cause of hypersensitivity reactions
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– Mike & Heather Collins UK Mikecheath…@oakwellmount.freeserve.co.uk Heterodox <heterod…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pQxL2.80$MZ6.507@nnrp1.ptd.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Seems to me logic is a bit off here. Masking an infection? Perhaps better to > say mitigating the complications — easing the congestion. Is taking aspirin > masking the pain? If so, do you have a problem with aspirin? > If irrigation helps remove infected mucus, won’t that help fight the > infection? If irrigation aides in the movement of the cilia, wont that help > the body to eliminate the infection naturally? > Why don’t you have the same reservations about using Astelin and Nasonex? > Why not let the body do it’s work here too? will the body forget how to do > its job by using these drugs? > I dont believe two mins. of irrigation will cause the body to forget how it > is supposed to work. Seems illogical to me. > — > "Sometimes you gotta dance like there’s no one watching." > Yes I would have a problem with somebody taking aspirin if they had a bain
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I have followed this news group for several months. I have had chronic sinusitis for years. From time to time I have had severe problems, but this year was by far the worst ever. I listened to the comments here and evaluated them based on my life experience and a "gut feeling" as to what seemed worthwhile. An ENT I consulted told me I should have a deviated septum corrected — But it was the same septum I have lived with since my broken nose 32 yrs ago. I rationalized that perhaps other actions should be tried first. A short course of antibiotics didn’t work and I refused my Doctor’s recommendation for more. I worked on my overall well-being by getting long overdue exercise, eating better and eliminating dairy products. I began using some natural immune enhancing foods and herbs and reducing stress. I also used nasal irrigation. A recent CT scan showed "amazing improvement", to quote the ENT. He no longer recommends the operation by the way. So you see, antibiotics are not always needed. The body may be able to heal itself….mine has for 50 years now. Sometimes I just need to be reminded that it needs my help to keep it as nature intended. So, your comment that "may help to irradicate an infection only in conjunction with the appropriate antibiotic" is not correct. Antibiotics are not the only path to a cure. In addition, I realize mucus is not the cause of sinusitis, but giving a helping hand to your body via irrigation is logical. It is not masking the cause, but aiding in the healing process. I assume you know you have an infection or problem prior to irrigation. Giving aspirin for a headache is appropriate. Your comment about a brain tumor was not. Let’s not confuse my comments about "forgetting what to do" with the an a asthmatic. I thank all of you for your participation with this forum. I have learned many things. The actions I took worked for me. There are many paths in life and many people on them. We are all individuals with individual problems. Some people die from a bee sting…Some do not. Some need antibiotics to aide the body. Some do not. I think you see a pattern here…LOL! Best wishes for good health to all of you.
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> Removal of > infected mucus may help to irradicate an infection only in conjunction with > the appropriate antibiotic.
I must disagree with the above, having just cured a sinus infection <following a head cold> by a combination of 1>afrin 2> garlic 3>Pau d’arco 4> irrigation, 3x day, alternating salt water and alcolol, but NO RX ANTIBIOTIC.
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How much alcohol was you using in the mix? And why alcohol? Michael – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -vscuzNOS…@home.com wrote: > 4> irrigation, 3x day, alternating salt water and alcolol, but NO RX > ANTIBIOTIC.
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Dear Michael: Not Alcohol….It’s ALKOLOL…, sorry, I mis-spelled it in my post, which is a OTC liquid: a mucus solvent. I always find it behind the pharmacist’s counter <you have to ask for it> It is irritating if mixed too strongly, at least to me, so I use much less than the recommended1/2 to full strength. Hope this helps.
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I am confused by Doctor Grossan’s comment that :" Irrigation without restoring normal cilia may not be of value. " Doctor Grossan’s own web site has info that states the following:"Regular irrigation not only makes you feel well for the moment, it improves your long-term susceptibility to sinus disease and colds." Other info on the site adds to this statement and makes additional claims for the benefits of irrigation. As an example I offer this:"The benefits of pulsate irrigation include: Washing with saline removes certain virus products, making less work for the body’s natural immune and disease-fighting systems." "A particularly helpful strategy is saline washing using a a Water Pik
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Hi, This is mainly for Australians to read. Does anyone know of any stronger pain medications I could ask my doctor about, that can be used outside of Hospital and are Stronger than Panadene Forte or Digesic? I have a chronic sinus condition related to a Immune Deficiency affect my Imnogloben levels. My body and antibiotics cannot get rid of a chronic sinus infection which is extremely painful. And surgery has not worked either. Email replies. Thanks Phil
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You could ask if Endone is a possibility,but I don’t know if that would be appropriate for sinus pain. Just ask your doc,be honest with him and tell him the Panadene Forte etc is not working for you. If this is a long term condition maybe a pain clinic may be able to come up with something that will work for you. Good luck annieb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, This is mainly for Australians to read. Does anyone know of any stronger pain medications I could ask my doctor about, that can be used outside of Hospital and are Stronger than Panadene Forte or Digesic? I have a chronic sinus condition related to a Immune Deficiency affect my Imnogloben levels. My body and antibiotics cannot get rid of a chronic sinus infection which is extremely painful. And surgery has not worked either. Email replies. Thanks Phil
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -SorryHOLLIDAY wrote: > Mrgy1 wrote: > > Come to think of it, yes Sudafed gives me tachycardia too! Huh! Hadn’t > > connected the two until you mentioned it. > > Marge > Nice to know it’s not me. I just checked w/a pharmacist and he said > Sudafed (other decong. as well) was a sypatho-mimetic amine (wow, had to > ask the spelling on that one) and that it mimics adrenaline. Any > suggestions on what to use instead? Until then, I’ll have to use > Sudafed on caffiene-free days. June
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HOLLIDAY wrote: > Does anyone who takes Sudafed experience Tachacardia (sp)? I’ve had my > heart race before when I was under a period of stress. Well, now that > life is just dandy, I noticed my heart starts racing after using Sudafed > for a couple of days. Thanks for the input.
Not only do I get tachycardia from Sudafed, but it triggers a genuine panic attack in me. I’m unusually sensitive to it, I guess. Even the children’s dose freaks me out. Once, just once, I made the mistake of taking both Sudafed and a cough medicine that also had pseudoephedrine in it, so I got a double dose! I ended up with a classic "amphetamine-type psychosis"–the sensation of ants crawling on my skin, etc. I called the Poison Control Center in a panic. They were quite familiar with the overstimulant side effects of Sudafed, and told me to drink warm milk and ride out the next few hours, after which the problem subsided. And, unfortunately, my nasal congestion returned too. But after that nightmare, I was happy for the stuffy nose…. 
— Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: s…@mitre.org Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.
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HOLLIDAY wrote: > Nice to know it’s not me. I just checked w/a pharmacist and he said > Sudafed (other decong. as well) was a sypatho-mimetic amine (wow, had to > ask the spelling on that one) and that it mimics adrenaline. Any > suggestions on what to use instead?
Topical decongestants (e.g., NeoSynephrine) are safer if you only use them for a few days. Beyond that, prescription steroid nasal sprays (e.g., Vancenase, Nasocort, Rhinocort) are a better choice. One physician told me that OTC "cold" remedies frequently combine an antihistamine (which has sedating side effects) with the pseudoephedrine (the active ingredient in Sudafed) in order to counteract the stimulating effect of pseudoephedrine. She recommended Tavist-D as one such drug–she said that despite the pseudoephedrine, it actually causes drowsiness due to the heavy dose of antihistamine. But OTC antihistamines can thicken mucus secretions and so are probably not good for sinusitis sufferers like me. In any event, I’ve had such bad experiences with pseudoephedrine that I’m not going to experiment with any more preparations that contain it. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: s…@mitre.org Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.
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Mrgy1 wrote in message <19980209023401.VAA16…@ladder02.news.aol.com>… >Come to think of it, yes Sudafed gives me tachycardia too! Huh! Hadn’t >connected the two until you mentioned it. >Marge
In my case, Sudafed causes heart palpitations. The pseudoephedrine seems to substantially increase the frequency of PVC’s, but no tachycardia. Regards, Michael M.
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Does anyone who takes Sudafed experience Tachacardia (sp)? I’ve had my heart race before when I was under a period of stress. Well, now that life is just dandy, I noticed my heart starts racing after using Sudafed for a couple of days. Thanks for the input.
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Come to think of it, yes Sudafed gives me tachycardia too! Huh! Hadn’t connected the two until you mentioned it. Marge
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HI Yes I have my heart race after taking any decongestants. I was rushed to the hospital once when my heart rate went to 188. boy was I scared. It was narrowed down to the decongestants that I was taking. Makes my allergies all the worse not being able to take them. Now Im limited to taking only allergy drugs without them. Which in turns dries everything up making it hard to clear me up. I would consult my physician if I were you. Maybe they can give you something that will work..yet not cause your heart to race. Pammie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -HOLLIDAY wrote in message <34DE8062….@nep.net>… >Does anyone who takes Sudafed experience Tachacardia (sp)? I’ve had my >heart race before when I was under a period of stress. Well, now that >life is just dandy, I noticed my heart starts racing after using Sudafed >for a couple of days. Thanks for the input.
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Mrgy1 wrote: > Come to think of it, yes Sudafed gives me tachycardia too! Huh! Hadn’t > connected the two until you mentioned it. > Marge
Nice to know it’s not me. I just checked w/a pharmacist and he said Sudafed (other decong. as well) was a sypatho-mimetic amine (wow, had to ask the spelling on that one) and that it mimics adrenaline. Any suggestions on what to use instead? Until then, I’ll have to use Sudafed on caffiene-free days.
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Aaron Fox <a…@u.washington.edu> writes: >Acupuncture report, 2d session: >Well, three weeks after my last acupuncture treatment (about a week after >the last ghost of an effect from the last one wore off) I went back to my >pin doc. My sinuses were feeling pretty lousy and my energy and pain >problems were creeping back and I was exhausted from work and stress. She >stuck me full of pins and did something called "pachi-pachi" which >involved a wire connecting two pins, one in my head and one in my neck, to >which she applied three small jolts of electricity, thrice in the hour.
I had this done years ago but not for sinuses – reminded me of jumper cables! >I woke up this morning (after the best sleep I’ve had since the last >acupuncture session) with my sinus swelling so significantly reduced that >for the first time in a year and a half I couldn’t make a gross trumpeting >sound no matter how hard I snorted – usually I can make it by breathing >even slightly hard through my nose.
This reminds me of the day I got out of bed and blew my nose, and the sound was so horrendous, all the cats (who were standing around hoping to be fed soon) went running! The effects of your acupuncture sound wonderful. I’m considering looking into it locally for myself now, even though I’ve scheduled surgery. Thanks for your posts, Aaron. Jill
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I would be interested in finding out more information about acupuncture treatments for chronic sinusitis. Which acupuncturist did you see? (I assume it is in Seattle) After the first treatment, how long did it take to notice some improvement? How much are the treatment costs? How do you find a qualified acupuncturist? I would greatly appreciate you sharing these answers. Thanks, Michael M.
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Jay wrote: > Aaron, > Would you mind sharing the cost of the treatments, and also mentioning > a little bit about how you went about finding a "qualified" > acupuncturist. > Thks much, > Jay
Well, mine was a recommendation from 2 friends, and she had a long waiting list but allowed me to jump in because my friends were long-time patients and they convinced her I was desperate. She teaches at the Northwest institute of acupuncture and oriental medicine. I posted their tol-free number a few weeks back, but it should be in the 206 directory information too. I don’t have it in front of me. NWAOM makes referrals. Word-of-mouth from people you know and trust is as usual the best way. Someone experienced and witha lot of patients is also worth looking for. There are a lot of fly-by-nighters out there. (There are also plenty of useless ENTs, though.) My person charges $50 for an hour, which is *really* cheap for Seattle, where $65 for half an hour is not unheard of. One reason is that, while Washington State now requires some acupuncture to be covered by health insurance, she doesn’t participate in the billing system and therefore doesn’t need to pad her charges. I would happily pay much more out of my own pocket for the kind of incredible relief I have had from this. She also practices a specifically Japanese variant of acupuncture (compared to the more popular Chinese) called "Meridian theraphy." She is certified as a Master acupuncturist by NWIAOM and is (as any acupuncturist must be) licensed by the state. She uses disposable one-time sterile needles and a lot of manipulation and massage in her method. She has also had very helpful things to say about other aspects of my health and she has helped old problems too (like my bad back). One "side effect" of acupuncture for me is an intensification of normal and deep sleep patterns. Some may find themselves too sleepy for several days and be bothered by it; but when you’re awake you are full of energy. Other than that there’s no "downside" at all, so far. The needles are totally painless and leave no marks once removed. Aaron ______________________________________________________________________ Aaron A. Fox Assistant Professor of Anthropology Adjunct Assistant Professor of Music The University of Washington Box 353100, Seattle WA 98195-3100 FAX: 206-543-3285, TEL: 206-685-1811 EMAIL: a…@u.washington.edu WWW: http://weber.u.washington.edu/~aaf/ ________________________________________________________________________ "A language consists of myriad tropes that have passed into its structure and content; but they are only playing possum and can be brought back to life at any time." Paul Friedrich, "Polytropy" "Well the racoon up that ’simmon tree, And the possum down on that ground. Well the possum says to racoon, ‘I want you to shake me some ’simmons down.’ Aw me, aw aw my, Do Lawd, remember me." Mance Lipscomb, "Willie Poor Boy" (trad)
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Aaron Fox <a…@u.washington.edu> wrote: >Acupuncture report, 2d session: >Well, three weeks after my last acupuncture treatment (about a week after >the last ghost of an effect from the last one wore off) I went back to my >pin doc. My sinuses were feeling pretty lousy and my energy and pain >problems were creeping back and I was exhausted from work and stress. She >stuck me full of pins and did something called "pachi-pachi" which >involved a wire connecting two pins, one in my head and one in my neck, to >which she applied three small jolts of electricity, thrice in the hour. >This was supposed to help my sinuses, long term, after the immediate (and >pronounced) effect of the needles in my cheeks and her massage of my >face wore off. I was dubious even given the remarkable improvement she >had provided on my first visit. She has been nearly promising me that I >won’t need a revision surgery as recommended by my ENT, and this was >supposed to be the direct treatment of my main problem. >I woke up this morning (after the best sleep I’ve had since the last >acupuncture session) with my sinus swelling so significantly reduced that >for the first time in a year and a half I couldn’t make a gross trumpeting >sound no matter how hard I snorted – usually I can make it by breathing >even slightly hard through my nose. I’ve had a stellar day of almost no >sinus pain until I sat next to a smoker in a Vietnamese restaurant >tonight. I am bouncing off the walls with energy even after a hellish >week at work. And my weird muscle pains have subsided further than they >already had after the last treatment. The only drugs I took today were >a multivitamin and 2500 mgs of vitamin C on top of that, and some >acidopholus powder. No naprocyn, no steroid spray, no decongestant. I >haven’t even had time to irrigate in 2 days because work is so hectic I am >coming home and dropping into bed. >I see her again in a week and am counting the hours. . Y’all have got to >try this stuff. I am, as a scientifically educated person, simply >stunned. >Aaron >______________________________________________________________________ >Aaron A. Fox >Assistant Professor of Anthropology >Adjunct Assistant Professor of Music >The University of Washington Box 353100, Seattle WA 98195-3100 >FAX: 206-543-3285, TEL: 206-685-1811 >EMAIL: a…@u.washington.edu WWW: http://weber.u.washington.edu/~aaf/ >________________________________________________________________________ >"A language consists of myriad tropes that have passed into its structure >and content; but they are only playing possum and can be brought back to >life at any time." > Paul Friedrich, "Polytropy" >"Well the racoon up that ’simmon tree, >And the possum down on that ground. >Well the possum says to racoon, ‘I want you >to shake me some ’simmons down.’ >Aw me, aw aw my, Do Lawd, remember me." > Mance Lipscomb, "Willie Poor Boy" (trad)
Aaron, Would you mind sharing the cost of the treatments, and also mentioning a little bit about how you went about finding a "qualified" acupuncturist. Thks much, Jay
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Acupuncture report, 2d session: Well, three weeks after my last acupuncture treatment (about a week after the last ghost of an effect from the last one wore off) I went back to my pin doc. My sinuses were feeling pretty lousy and my energy and pain problems were creeping back and I was exhausted from work and stress. She stuck me full of pins and did something called "pachi-pachi" which involved a wire connecting two pins, one in my head and one in my neck, to which she applied three small jolts of electricity, thrice in the hour. This was supposed to help my sinuses, long term, after the immediate (and pronounced) effect of the needles in my cheeks and her massage of my face wore off. I was dubious even given the remarkable improvement she had provided on my first visit. She has been nearly promising me that I won’t need a revision surgery as recommended by my ENT, and this was supposed to be the direct treatment of my main problem. I woke up this morning (after the best sleep I’ve had since the last acupuncture session) with my sinus swelling so significantly reduced that for the first time in a year and a half I couldn’t make a gross trumpeting sound no matter how hard I snorted – usually I can make it by breathing even slightly hard through my nose. I’ve had a stellar day of almost no sinus pain until I sat next to a smoker in a Vietnamese restaurant tonight. I am bouncing off the walls with energy even after a hellish week at work. And my weird muscle pains have subsided further than they already had after the last treatment. The only drugs I took today were a multivitamin and 2500 mgs of vitamin C on top of that, and some acidopholus powder. No naprocyn, no steroid spray, no decongestant. I haven’t even had time to irrigate in 2 days because work is so hectic I am coming home and dropping into bed. I see her again in a week and am counting the hours. . Y’all have got to try this stuff. I am, as a scientifically educated person, simply stunned. Aaron ______________________________________________________________________ Aaron A. Fox Assistant Professor of Anthropology Adjunct Assistant Professor of Music The University of Washington Box 353100, Seattle WA 98195-3100 FAX: 206-543-3285, TEL: 206-685-1811 EMAIL: a…@u.washington.edu WWW: http://weber.u.washington.edu/~aaf/ ________________________________________________________________________ "A language consists of myriad tropes that have passed into its structure and content; but they are only playing possum and can be brought back to life at any time." Paul Friedrich, "Polytropy" "Well the racoon up that ’simmon tree, And the possum down on that ground. Well the possum says to racoon, ‘I want you to shake me some ’simmons down.’ Aw me, aw aw my, Do Lawd, remember me." Mance Lipscomb, "Willie Poor Boy" (trad)
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