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And someone is getting paid (probably better than you) to orchestrate this nonsense! Yikes.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is nothing more painful than forced, official corporate "fun." Okay, that’s an exaggeration. There are worse experiences, certainly. I’ve been through some of them. Still, when you find yourself hoping that your sinusitis will flare up and give you a severe headache to distract you from what’s happening, you know the situation is bad. Yesterday I went into training at my new employer, thinking that some annoyance at pen-clicking and cheesy shockwave presentations would be the worst I would experience. Then a traniner came into the classroom and said that we were going to have fun for the next four hours. Deep inside, I screamed. Don’t get me wrong. I like fun. It’s just that my idea of fun involves playing "Worms: Armageddon" while a "Mystery Science Theater 3000" video is playing in the background. It has nothing to do with scented markers and brightly-colored sticky notes, and it certainly has nothing to do with giving personal information to strangers. The first thing the traniner did was use a complicated system to seat us randomly in order to get us to sit next to people other than the ones we usually sit near. She apparently was unaware that we already were required to sit next to different people each day. I wound up sitting near the one person I really, really didn’t want to sit near. I don’t like being in the same room with that pen-clicking, "Austin Powers"-quoting bufoon, never mind right next to him. It came as no surprise when he started spinning around in his swivel chair, hitting mine with his sprawled legs on each spin. No, serioulsy. The next four hours involved lots of lying on my part. It strikes me as odd that in the business world you’re often asked for your opinion and expected to lie. Job interviews are an example: If you’re asked why you want the job and reply "I don’t, but employment is the only way I know of to get people to give me money," you’re unlikely to get hired. Anyway, I was asked what stores I was loyal to, and why. I didn’t mention the video store I go to because it’s the only place that will let me rent porn. Perhaps the most painful thing about corporate fun is that you can’t allow your mind to wander. The business world has taught me strong daydreaming skills, but I was unable to use them in this situation because the trainer was asking me inane questions and forcing me to interact in awkward ways with my classmates. At one point, we were tossing multicolored smiley-face balls to each other and calling each other’s names out in order to learn that it’s easy to forget to be polite when you’re busy. How I wish I were making that up. Since I’m neither good at remembering names nor catching smiley-face balls, this was the most humiliating part of the evening for me. Tomorrow, I’m going to go through four more hours of the same thing. Please pray for me. There was one bright spot in the evening: I found out that the customer satisfaction rate of the call center is pathetic. Since I rule at call center jobs, I’ll be a shining star. Also, I found out that you can make extra money if you’re good enough. Maybe If I survive the ostensible fun, the job itself won’t be too bad.
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God, I loved this post. It is all so true. I have grown to hate all that fatuous crap with a passion that would make stars collapse. You should tweak this a little and submit it somewhere. I swear! minx
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There is nothing more painful than forced, official corporate "fun." Okay, that’s an exaggeration. There are worse experiences, certainly. I’ve been through some of them. Still, when you find yourself hoping that your sinusitis will flare up and give you a severe headache to distract you from what’s happening, you know the situation is bad. Yesterday I went into training at my new employer, thinking that some annoyance at pen-clicking and cheesy shockwave presentations would be the worst I would experience. Then a traniner came into the classroom and said that we were going to have fun for the next four hours. Deep inside, I screamed. Don’t get me wrong. I like fun. It’s just that my idea of fun involves playing "Worms: Armageddon" while a "Mystery Science Theater 3000" video is playing in the background. It has nothing to do with scented markers and brightly-colored sticky notes, and it certainly has nothing to do with giving personal information to strangers. The first thing the traniner did was use a complicated system to seat us randomly in order to get us to sit next to people other than the ones we usually sit near. She apparently was unaware that we already were required to sit next to different people each day. I wound up sitting near the one person I really, really didn’t want to sit near. I don’t like being in the same room with that pen-clicking, "Austin Powers"-quoting bufoon, never mind right next to him. It came as no surprise when he started spinning around in his swivel chair, hitting mine with his sprawled legs on each spin. No, serioulsy. The next four hours involved lots of lying on my part. It strikes me as odd that in the business world you’re often asked for your opinion and expected to lie. Job interviews are an example: If you’re asked why you want the job and reply "I don’t, but employment is the only way I know of to get people to give me money," you’re unlikely to get hired. Anyway, I was asked what stores I was loyal to, and why. I didn’t mention the video store I go to because it’s the only place that will let me rent porn. Perhaps the most painful thing about corporate fun is that you can’t allow your mind to wander. The business world has taught me strong daydreaming skills, but I was unable to use them in this situation because the trainer was asking me inane questions and forcing me to interact in awkward ways with my classmates. At one point, we were tossing multicolored smiley-face balls to each other and calling each other’s names out in order to learn that it’s easy to forget to be polite when you’re busy. How I wish I were making that up. Since I’m neither good at remembering names nor catching smiley-face balls, this was the most humiliating part of the evening for me. Tomorrow, I’m going to go through four more hours of the same thing. Please pray for me. There was one bright spot in the evening: I found out that the customer satisfaction rate of the call center is pathetic. Since I rule at call center jobs, I’ll be a shining star. Also, I found out that you can make extra money if you’re good enough. Maybe If I survive the ostensible fun, the job itself won’t be too bad.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is nothing more painful than forced, official corporate "fun." Thank you to those of you who responded to this message. It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one who feels this way Tomorrow, I’m going to go through four more hours of the same thing. Please pray for me. Yay, I didn’t actually have to! When I got into work yesterday the happy-crappy-funtime instructor was there, and she asked us if we were unhappy with our training. While she was asking this, I debated with myself whether or not to be honest. I’ve gotten in trouble at work before for being the only naysayer. It turns out there was no need to worry: several people spoke up and said, in no uncertain terms, that the training sucked. They phrased it a little more delicately, but still made it clear that they did not feel confident in their ability to do their jobs. The hours that had been set aside for "fun" training were then used for the kind of practical learning that we should have begun on the first day.
I am totally amazed at this rare display of corporate common sense. I really didn’t think they had any. Wish I knew what company this was!
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There is nothing more painful than forced, official corporate "fun."
It all sounds absolutely horrifying and I can relate, having been through my share of coorporate trainings. I AM praying for you!! 
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I am so glad I am retired and don’t have top be exposed to this stuff. Hang in there and when this is over, be yourself, be real. Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is nothing more painful than forced, official corporate "fun."
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alt.support.depression: There is nothing more painful than forced, official corporate "fun."
snip Sounds to me as though they are desperately trying to instil ‘esprit do corps’ – perhaps they’ve fallen into the ‘management consultant’ trap. — — Whiskers
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My theory is that they are trying to fool you into believing that you are having "fun" so that you will be distracted from the slave wage they are getting away with paying. Call centers make my skin crawl.
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There is nothing more painful than forced, official corporate "fun."
Thank you to those of you who responded to this message. It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one who feels this way Tomorrow, I’m going to go through four more hours of the same thing. Please pray for me.
Yay, I didn’t actually have to! When I got into work yesterday the happy-crappy-funtime instructor was there, and she asked us if we were unhappy with our training. While she was asking this, I debated with myself whether or not to be honest. I’ve gotten in trouble at work before for being the only naysayer. It turns out there was no need to worry: several people spoke up and said, in no uncertain terms, that the training sucked. They phrased it a little more delicately, but still made it clear that they did not feel confident in their ability to do their jobs. The hours that had been set aside for "fun" training were then used for the kind of practical learning that we should have begun on the first day.
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"Steven D. Litvintchouk" <s…@mitre.org> wrote in message news:3A7390B4.1034B72B@mitre.org… > > If one has any colored mucous (even if most of it is clear, but some of it > > colored), is that a sure sign of bacterial infection? > No. With a viral common cold, the nasal mucus tends to turn thick and > yellow toward the late stages of the cold. There can even be sinus pain > and pressure toward the late stages of a cold.
How about sickly sweet tasting thick mucous collecting in the throat? Is that yukky taste a clear symptom of viral or bacterial infection, or could it be either?
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we’ve found with my daughter that her breath takes on a life of its own. What we call sinus breath, then the headaches start. Headaches in the dead center of her forehead almost have always meant bacterial. I’ve heard recently that the color is indicating less and less. Some clear drainage cultures bacterial, some green drainage doesn’t culture anything and ends up being allergic rhinitis. MS <m…@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:t75lhgc4uje278@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What are some of the sure signs for distinguishing between a viral and > bacterial infection?
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"Steven D. Litvintchouk" <s…@mitre.org> wrote in message news:3A731627.44102DDD@mitre.org… > In my own personal experience: > A (viral) common cold tends to come on rather suddenly, usually with a > scratchy throat and feeling of mucus and inflammation in the back part > of the nasopharynx. After a couple of days, this switches to a runny > nose with sneezing. > A bacterial sinus infection seems to progress very gradually. Initially > you’re not even sure you have it. With me, it starts with post nasal > drip and loss of sense of smell, which proceeds to head congestion and > stuffiness. No runny nose, and no sneezing. > Hope this helps.
Would you say that if there is no runny nose after a couple of days it is probably a bacterial infection? If one has any colored mucous (even if most of it is clear, but some of it colored), is that a sure sign of bacterial infection?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -MS wrote: > "Steven D. Litvintchouk" <s…@mitre.org> wrote in message > news:3A731627.44102DDD@mitre.org… > > In my own personal experience: > > A (viral) common cold tends to come on rather suddenly, usually with a > > scratchy throat and feeling of mucus and inflammation in the back part > > of the nasopharynx. After a couple of days, this switches to a runny > > nose with sneezing. > > A bacterial sinus infection seems to progress very gradually. Initially > > you’re not even sure you have it. With me, it starts with post nasal > > drip and loss of sense of smell, which proceeds to head congestion and > > stuffiness. No runny nose, and no sneezing. > > Hope this helps. > Would you say that if there is no runny nose after a couple of days it is > probably a bacterial infection?
No. > If one has any colored mucous (even if most of it is clear, but some of it > colored), is that a sure sign of bacterial infection?
No. With a viral common cold, the nasal mucus tends to turn thick and yellow toward the late stages of the cold. There can even be sinus pain and pressure toward the late stages of a cold. Like I said, the only way to be sure is to wait and see. If it’s a cold, it will get better by itself after a week or two. If it’s bacterial sinusitis, it not only won’t get better, but it might get worse. In my case, what often happens after a couple of weeks of sinusitis is that the bugs end up migrating to my inner ear. When I start to feel dizzy, and I start getting an earache, I know that my time is up, and I need an antibiotic. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: s…@mitre.org Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.
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What are some of the sure signs for distinguishing between a viral and bacterial infection?
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MS wrote: > What are some of the sure signs for distinguishing between a viral and > bacterial infection?
What is widely known: A viral infection (a.k.a. "common cold") is self-limiting, usually lasting up to two weeks. If left untreated, a bacterial sinus infection can linger indefinitely, and can gradually spread and get worse. In my own personal experience: A (viral) common cold tends to come on rather suddenly, usually with a scratchy throat and feeling of mucus and inflammation in the back part of the nasopharynx. After a couple of days, this switches to a runny nose with sneezing. A bacterial sinus infection seems to progress very gradually. Initially you’re not even sure you have it. With me, it starts with post nasal drip and loss of sense of smell, which proceeds to head congestion and stuffiness. No runny nose, and no sneezing. Hope this helps. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: s…@mitre.org Disclaimer: As far as I am aware, the opinions expressed herein are not those of my employer.
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A week ago I stopped irrigating with my water pik and Grossan nasal attachment, and took a daily antihistamine instead. (I did this because of a medical related problem that warranted the temporary change). The results: OUCH! I am suffering tremendously. I have severe pressure in my sinuses, increased yellow discharge, increased pain, periodic total blockage. Did I mention the increased pain. The lesson: I need to irrigate twice a day like I have been for the past two years and avoid antihistamines. I know about Dr. Tichener’s recommendation that avoiding antihistamines may be wise for chronic sinusitis sufferers, and now I see why first hand. Just thought I’d share this with folks, since I’m up anyway, at this late hour, because my symptoms are so bad they’re keeping me awake. — Brenda bmck…@home.com
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I have been getting good results with Astelin which is a topical antihistamine hasal spray. It seems to help my nose congestion (allergic rhinitis) without drying out my sinuses so they can still drain. Brenda <bmck…@home.com> wrote in article <s38s3.689$dr6.13…@news1.rdc2.on.home.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A week ago I stopped irrigating with my water pik and Grossan nasal > attachment, and took a daily antihistamine instead. (I did this because of > a medical related problem that warranted the temporary change). > The results: OUCH! I am suffering tremendously. I have severe pressure in > my sinuses, increased yellow discharge, increased pain, periodic total > blockage. Did I mention the increased pain. > The lesson: I need to irrigate twice a day like I have been for the past > two years and avoid antihistamines. > I know about Dr. Tichener’s recommendation that avoiding antihistamines may > be wise for chronic sinusitis sufferers, and now I see why first hand. > Just thought I’d share this with folks, since I’m up anyway, at this late > hour, because my symptoms are so bad they’re keeping me awake. > — > Brenda > bmck…@home.com
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I have similiar problem. I think your Dr. is incorrect. I have fluid in my ear, fullness, throbbing like heart beat esp. when I bend over or lay down, pain sometimes, dizziness, etc. What has helped me most is taking Claritin-D which is claritin + pseudoephedrine(a stronger decongestant than whats in entex it’s the same stuff that’s in sudafed or any other cold medicine practically), allergy drops, a tube in my eardrum, and a keeping house alllergen free and using a Hepa air filter in bedroom. I’d think if you had infection you’d have a fever and it would BE visible to him. Perhaps the antibiotics are needless. Surgery sounds a bit extreme. I would strongly suggest you see several ent’s and go w/the most conservative esp.. cs you only have only one good ear. A tube in that eardrum wouldn’t be too risky though and maybe worth a shot just don’t get water in that ear then. Do you feel at all dizzy, disequilibrium etc? Please tell me your dr.’s hypothesis about the sinusitis referring pain to the middle ear. Brett
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Talk to your dentist about temporomandibular joint syndrome? Amy, who should have gone in for treatment a lot earlier than she did. shane…@yahoo.com wrote in article <7krtcn$ml…@nnrp1.deja.com>… : The hypothesis is based on the catscan which shows sinusitus. He also : could see infection in the eustachian tube using that instrument that : he sticks up the nose. : : I have also had some face pain. In fact, this is a first. Today, the : ear pain is not as bad, but the entire right side of my fact is numb. : Wierd. : : I do use Hepa filter in my bedroom and I don’t have very bad allergies : anyway (it is mainly for my wife). : : I dont’ have any dizziness. And, like I said, hearing is fine. I : would definately seek second opinion before I did any surgary. : : Paul :
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The hypothesis is based on the catscan which shows sinusitus. He also could see infection in the eustachian tube using that instrument that he sticks up the nose. I have also had some face pain. In fact, this is a first. Today, the ear pain is not as bad, but the entire right side of my fact is numb. Wierd. I do use Hepa filter in my bedroom and I don’t have very bad allergies anyway (it is mainly for my wife). I dont’ have any dizziness. And, like I said, hearing is fine. I would definately seek second opinion before I did any surgary. Paul In article <lzac3.68$LF6.4204…@news.wctc.net>, "karma" <ka…@wctc.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have similiar problem. I think your Dr. is incorrect. I have fluid in my > ear, fullness, throbbing like heart beat esp. when I bend over or lay down, > pain sometimes, dizziness, etc. What has helped me most is taking Claritin-D > which is claritin + pseudoephedrine(a stronger decongestant than whats in > entex it’s the same stuff that’s in sudafed or any other cold medicine > practically), allergy drops, a tube in my eardrum, and a keeping house > alllergen free and using a Hepa air filter in bedroom. I’d think if you had > infection you’d have a fever and it would BE visible to him. Perhaps the > antibiotics are needless. Surgery sounds a bit extreme. I would strongly > suggest you see several ent’s and go w/the most conservative esp.. cs you > only have only one good ear. A tube in that eardrum wouldn’t be too risky > though and maybe worth a shot just don’t get water in that ear then. > Do you feel at all dizzy, disequilibrium etc? Please tell me your dr.’s > hypothesis about the sinusitis referring pain to the middle ear. > Brett
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I have been reading all you messages with great interest, and like many of you have been suffering with sinus related problems for some years (although reading about some of you it puts my complaint into perspective, you are a brave bunch). I have been free from my sinus problems for about six months but recently they have returned with a vengeance. It is mostly "post nasal drip" with a constant swallowing of thin mucus accompanied by facial pain, fatigue and irritable bowels (brought on by the constant swallowing). i have tried all the usual medication with little success and have usually let it run its course. However, I am getting very depressed with being unable to pinpoint a cause; why has it returned? being disillusioned with the medical response here in the UK (one x-ray that showed up nothing) I have resorted to homeopathy (no improvement) and am now trying Chinese herbal medicine (not much of an improvement). My next avenue is accupuncture. Does anyone out there have any advise, or had any success treating PND with accupuncture? Thanks * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 05:27:27 -0800, JSpeck <jeremy.speckNOjeS…@birdlife.org.uk.invalid> wrote: >I have been free from my sinus problems for about six >months but recently they have returned with a vengeance. It >is mostly "post nasal drip" with a constant swallowing of
Sounds like allergies. I’d get allergy tested, then undertake the appropriate "environmental controls" and/or allergy shots.
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> >I have been free from my sinus problems for about six > >months but recently they have returned with a vengeance. It > >is mostly "post nasal drip" with a constant swallowing of > Sounds like allergies. I’d get allergy tested, then undertake the > appropriate "environmental controls" and/or allergy shots.
You get thick mucus from Allergies? I thought that when you have allergies the discharge is clear, where as mine is yellow, and brown at times. Pleseant thought. Andras.
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:23:25 GMT, "Andras Stedra" <2900598…@home.com> wrote: >You get thick mucus from Allergies? I thought that when you have allergies >the discharge is clear, where as mine is yellow, and brown at times. >Pleseant thought.
Allergies lead to chronic inflammation, which makes you suseptiple to infection, which increases the inflammation, which blocks off the sinus openings, which makes the infection chronic. It’s all connected. Allergies are thought to be involved in chronic sinusitus in 40 to 80 percent of people.
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This mucus means that the cilia of the nose are moving too slowly, hence the liquid dries up and thickens. There have been lots of discussions here onthis subject or check out http://www.ent-consult.com Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
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Thanks for responding to my message. I have come to the conclusion that it is an allergy (I suffer from hayfever) but there seems to be no real pattern to the problem. I have cut out alcohol as I know that this doesn’t agree with my sinuses, and I am cutting out dairy products (although I have been for months indulging in both of these without any ill effects). If only I could pinpoint the guilty substance. I live in Cambridge, UK; anyone know of any allergy "experts" in this area of the country? British doctors are an old fashioned bunch and prefer to throw antihistamines at me as a great cure-all, to little or know effect. Thanks for listening, it’s good to talk to people who really understand. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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Although your post nasal drip could be due to allergies I wonder why you have had 6 months free from sinus problems. Did your symptoms occur after a bout flu? If you have had the symptoms for over 2 weeks ( viruses are usually self-limiting) it is possible you have a bacterial infection. The mucus can be clear and still have an infection A 2 week course of antibiotics is then necessary. You mention that you had an x-ray done. Was this just one frontal x-ray or was it a series of x-rays i.e front, L side, R.side and top of head ? Heather Collins UK Mikecheath…@oakwellmount.freeserve.co.uk ). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been free from my sinus problems for about six > months but recently they have returned with a vengeance. It > is mostly "post nasal drip" with a constant swallowing of > thin mucus accompanied by facial pain, fatigue and > irritable bowels (brought on by the constant swallowing). i > have tried all the usual medication with little success and > have usually let it run its course. However, I am getting > very depressed with being unable to pinpoint a cause; why > has it returned?
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:18:55 -0800, JSpeck <jeremy.speckNOjeS…@birdlife.org.uk.invalid> wrote: >Thanks for responding to my message. I have come to the >conclusion that it is an allergy (I suffer from hayfever) >but there seems to be no real pattern to the problem. I >have cut out alcohol as I know that this doesn’t agree with >my sinuses, and I am cutting out dairy products (although I >have been for months indulging in both of these without any >ill effects). If only I could pinpoint the guilty >substance.
I hear you. I’m also in the process of trying to identify what’s causing habitual post nasal drip at night and sore throats in the morning. I’ve done a lot of environmental control, including sealing mattress and pillows in dust-proof covers, washing blanks in hot water every two weeks, and keeping the dog out of the bed. Also have HEPA filters on the furnace. Considering having the rugs pulled in the spring. I’m also, as of yesterday, finally making a commitment to getting my diet in order, eliminating chocolate (yeow!), sugar, refined flour, and possible wheat entirely. I’ve already eliminated dairy. We’ll see. I had allergy testing but it was inconclusive. I don’t think it’s pollen or another outdoor source because my symptoms aren’t seasonal. So I’m trying to reduce exposure to dust and dust mites, molds and mildew, etc. Another "connected" thing about all this is that the longer you’re inflammed by allergens and infections, the more sensitized you can get, which can make you sensitized to other things as well. I’ve recently discovered I’m now sensitized to the ink in newspapers and magazines. When I read the paper, mucus production kicks into overdrive. Good thing for Web-based newspapers. Oh, and I do the Murray twice a day, which helps clear away both allergens and excessive mucus.
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Could be viral, but it is not present all day, prefering to kick in after food and in the evening. It is particularly bad at night, presumably because I am recumbent and the mucus is collecting in my throat. The pain in my sinuses comes on suddenly and I come over dizzy & very tired with pain across my cheek bones. I will try some stronger antibiotics in desperation. What’s the general feeling about acupuncture? Thanks again for your messages: I have finally found people who take this seriously! * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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Sorry, Don’t know much about acupuncture. I believe some people have had quite good results who have wanted to give up smoking or for certain migraines but I don’t know anybody who would recommend it for sinusitis. Can I add a point about antibiotics. Many people say that they will get some ’stronger’ antibiotics to get rid of an infection. A better word would be ‘more appropriate’. you live in the UK so your doctor probably follows the guidelines in the BNF (British National Formulary) which is a BMA publication. They advocate a 2 week course of either amoxycillin, erythromycin or doxycycline although not every doctor follows the 2 week rule. Many bacteria especially a good proportion of the bacteria that are the usual causes of sinusitis are now resistant to erythromycin and amoxycillin and so other antibiotics are necessary. A 2 week course is stipulated because effective penetration of the sinuses is more difficult and is comparable to bone. So if you have an infection which is not sensitive enough to the particular antibiotic that you have been prescribed, you might feel better for a while because some of the infection has gone but the the symptoms will gradually return after finishing the course. The big problem is that antibiotics are prescribed ‘blind’i.e without doing a culture and sensitivity. Giving a too short course can have the same effect. A bacterial infection can follow a viral infection such as a bout of flu but antibiotics are not active against viruses which in the case of cold viruses are self-limiting. Heather Collins UK Mikecheath…@oakwellmount.freeserve.co.uk JSpeck <jeremy.speckNOjeS…@birdlife.org.uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:12b1c19e.55930afb@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com… > Could be viral, but it is not present all day, prefering to > kick in after food and in the evening. It is particularly > bad at night, presumably because I am recumbent and the > mucus is collecting in my throat. The pain in my sinuses > comes on suddenly and I come over dizzy & very tired with > pain across my cheek bones. I will try some stronger > antibiotics in desperation. What’s the general feeling > about acupuncture? Thanks again for your messages: I have > finally found people who take this seriously! > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find
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Hello there! My name’s Stefano and I’m from Italy. I suffer from terrible right post-nasal drip and bad breath sometimes.I also had a right sinus operation last summer and a tooth removed. I’ve already written to this newsgroup some time ago and come here every day to get new suggestions for my problem. I have tried everything I’ve read about on this newsgroup but nothing helps: nasal irrigation get the situation worse, nasal sprays, steroids, etc…nothing works.I also tried guaifenesine but there are no drugs containing high concentration of this substance in Italy. I’ve recently used Australian Tea tree oil with no results. I sometimes feel really desperate. I recently had a CT scan ( negative) and a sinus culture showing the presence of bacteria called BACILLUS SPECIES and some negative Staph. My ENT prescribe me some Rifampicin : it worked at first , as everything new I usually try , then the problem comes back again. I have a constant white, bad tasting, thick mucus going down my throat from the right side of my nose( not green or yellow). Nasal passages are alternatively blocked during the day. I’ve never had any terrible headache or pain as many people suffer from. I’ve been traeted with a lot of antibiotics during the last ten years of my life: they seem to work the first two or three days but the problem never really disappear. I’ve also used the Therabreath products from Doctor Katz, assuming that bad taste was caused by sulphur bacteria living in the mouth but THAT DID NOT WORK. I have no stomach or gum problems. I wonder if there are any products capable of dissolving the overproduction of thick mucus which is the source of my problem. I also think I’ve become sensible to any antibiotics and that’s why none of them works. Please help Stefano from Rome
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>Please help >Stefano from Rome
Hi, Have you been tested for allergies? You may not have an infection, but the body may be creating the mucus to rid itself of some offending substance. Sounds like you’ve tried everything else, sorry I can’t be of more help. Nadine Brooklyn, NY
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Ask your doctor about measures to increse the action of your nasal cilia. Sounds like ordinary mucus is stagnating, indication poor ciliary movement. there are refernces at http://members.aol.com:/ciliary16/pulmonary_sinusitis.html Best , Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com
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Stefano – Have you tried Homoeopathy?
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I would like more information, if anyone can point me there, to a connection between boys with migraines who develop clusters.
I’ve never heard any "medical" connection between the two. I have often heard the two put together in the same sentence when trying to explain to someone, what clusters are. It is a bit difficult explaining cluster headaches, without somehow using the word migraine, only because more people have an idea of what you are talking about when you mention migraines. Bob
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Thanks Jack and J. Michael for the answer. I had one friend in college who had clusters (one of the few people to understand my migraines). I can remember him punching a hole in the wall from the pain (I was one of the few people to understand his pain). I never asked whether it was one sided or not (more of my migraines are one sided). I would like more information, if anyone can point me there, to a connection between boys with migraines who develop clusters. Georgia
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well this is the 3rd time this month that my 7yr old has had to stay home from school due to "migraine" i took her back to her ped this afternoon and the only thing he was concerned about was a slight redness in her tonsells. did not even really say anything about the headache except its prob a flu like headache…well i was the one up with her at 4 am and ill tell you that was no flu headache. I dont know if i should just take her on my own to a nuro? I just hate that she is now starting to suffer like i do.(she’s only 7) i gave her childrens advil and thank god it worked but that scares me too because of her age and ryes syndrome. a friend of my child died from it a few years back.
Can you change ped’s? You need someone who understands that children can have migraines. I don’t know when mine started, but I’m sure I was less than 7. ` Suzie Melbourne, Australia There are three crowns: the crown of Torah, the crown of priesthood and the crown of royalty; but the crown of a good name exceeds them all. Pirke Avot 4:19.
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yes i can change but in all other aspects he is great she also has cronic bronicits and with that he is great. I wonder if i can take her to someone just for the headaches?
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Believe me ,there ae several documented, fully cured patients,after we made the breakthrough for a cure for migraine ,vascular and tension headaches. Wow, are you serious? "Several" documented, fully cured, patients? I don’t suppose you could post the definition of "several",
According to Webster, "several" means not very bloody many, but more than 2. tell us the length of time since these patients were declared ‘fully cured’, (and whether or not they agree with you) and then tell us how many of the total number of patients you treated were NOT fully cured by your breakthrough cure, do you? And exactly who had vascular migraine headaches and who had tension headaches? Please feel free to include other answers to questions that I may have, in my enthusiasm, forgotten to ask about with the proper regard for the seriousness of this topic. Thank you, Anne "You must see the infinite, i.e., the universal, in your particular, or it is only gossip."–O.W.Holmes, Jr.
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Migraines can start anytime in your life. I actually think my son had his first one at 9 months (although he didn’t get to the point of voicing head pain until he was almost 4). Yuck! I guess I’m pretty lucky after all . . . my first Cluster was when I was 16 . . . some 28 years ago. That brings up something I have wondered about. Does anyone know whether kids can get clusters?
The preponderance of cluster sufferers are males (about 90-95%), approaching 40-ish, and smokers (some nearly 80%). The problem is that a LOT of doctors call very bad migraines that tend to "cluster" around a date, and then abate "Clusters," when they’re really episodic migraines, so a LOT of people call their migraines "clusters" when they’re not. It’s REAL frustrating for me – for example: I worked in a Home Depot for a while. There were about 115 people working there, so statistically, if you put 4 stores together, you MIGHT find ONE other person who gets Clusters. Keep in mind that over 90% of us are males. Imagine my surprise when it got out that I got clusters, and I had 6 people walk up to me and say things like "I understand how you feel, I get "clusters," too" . . . and all 6 were females!!! I appreciate their concerns, and LOVE their prayers, but they ***DON’T*** "understand" what it’s like to have a cluster any more than I understand a Root Canal. I can commiserate, but I don’t "understand" what it’s like. There is a female counterpart to Cluster, called CPH (Chronic Paroxysmal Hemicrania) that is apparently virtually identical to clusters with several important differences: Cluster: Right side (for most) CPH: Left Side (for most) Cluster: Male CPH: Female Cluster: Certain abortives (e.g. imitrex) work as abortives CPH: there is absolutely NO known abortive – you can ONLY take narcotics for the pain . . . I have a friend with a 8 year old who has had 2 espisodes of bad headaches that sounded more like clusters than migraines. Of course, I am not an expert on clusters but I thought that it was more unusual to throw up in clusters
VERY unusual, but not unheard of . . . and the pain was more likely to be described a "vise-like" versus one-sided.
Bass-ackwards. Clusters are unilateral, almost invariably. That’s the classic definition of Cluster: ***unilateral*** excruciating lacrimation burning of the face, cheek, or neck *Ruddy "orangepeel" complexion (sp?) (I’ve actually seen this in 2 different books, but it’s not true of me) *taller than average (I’ve actually seen this in 2 different books also, but I’m only average height – 69") *Cute (That’s what my wife says – anyone will tell you she’s DEAD wrong) *Above average – WAY above average intelli . . . intella . . . intalli uhhh . . . REAL smart . . . LOL (I’ve HEARD this one, too) patient cannot hold still This is one of the more obvious ways to tell a Cluster from a Migraine. The Migraine patient needs dark, quiet rest. Cluster patient doesn’t care about light, sound, etc (to an extent, and then only sometimes), but we CAN’T hold still. We rock back and forth uncontrollably and bang our heads against things. I one punched a hole in the wall with my head during an episode, and have been known to wake my wife (who can sleep through an alarm) by the noise of banging my head against the wall or floor. The doctor said migraines (a good doctor, too) but she saw Chris with a migraine and said her son NEVER threw up (strong constitution? I almost never throw up as an adult but as a child, I could even throw up before the pain actually started) So, you cluster sufferers, did anyone start before puberty?
I started 10 years before puberty, when I was 16 years old . . . LOL (JK) Seriously, I don’t know any true cluster patients that started before puberty with *clusters* But some of us started with *migraines* before puberty, and then got clusters later. I still get the occasional migraine, but they’re rare for me. Clusters are the rule . . . and unfortunately, they "rule" with an iron fist in a chain-mail glove during the fall . . . 
And do I understand the difference between them or am I totally off base?
You seem to have a pretty good concept, but are a little off. Keep in mind, there are no rules. Clusters are like love and war in that respect. OUCH!!! I’ll say an extra prayer (or a bunch of ‘em, if you have no objection) for you and your kids. I’ll take all the prayers I can get!
Consider it done. Overheard: "I’d give my right arm to be ambidextrous" J. Michael Phillips
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Migraines can start anytime in your life. I actually think my son had his first one at 9 months (although he didn’t get to the point of voicing head pain until he was almost 4). Yuck! I guess I’m pretty lucky after all . . . my first Cluster was when I was 16 . . . some 28 years ago.
That brings up something I have wondered about. Does anyone know whether kids can get clusters? I have a friend with a 8 year old who has had 2 espisodes of bad headaches that sounded more like clusters than migraines. Of course, I am not an expert on clusters but I thought that it was more unusual to throw up in clusters and the pain was more likely to be described a "vise-like" versus one-sided. The doctor said migraines (a good doctor, too) but she saw Chris with a migraine and said her son NEVER threw up (strong constitution? I almost never throw up as an adult but as a child, I could even throw up before the pain actually started) So, you cluster sufferers, did anyone start before puberty? And do I understand the difference between them or am I totally off base? OUCH!!! I’ll say an extra prayer (or a bunch of ‘em, if you have no objection) for you and your kids.
I’ll take all the prayers I can get! Georgia
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Possible. Migraines seem to have some kind of hereditary factors, but it would be (I think) a little unusual for her to have started this young. Just a comment, it is NOT unusual for children to get migraines.
I sit corrected (because I’m too lazy to stand corrected). Many kids start very young. But I don’t think you should self-diagnosis your child.
AMEN and AMEN! Take them to a caring migraine friendly family doctor or to a children’s neurologist.
Sage advice. Migraines can start anytime in your life. I actually think my son had his first one at 9 months (although he didn’t get to the point of voicing head pain until he was almost 4).
Yuck! I guess I’m pretty lucky after all . . . my first Cluster was when I was 16 . . . some 28 years ago. Georgia (who got her first migraine at 4 and has 2 migraine suffering kids)
OUCH!!! I’ll say an extra prayer (or a bunch of ‘em, if you have no objection) for you and your kids. Michael (gets Clusters instead of Migraines, and whose children, 15 & 16 are migraine/cluster free!) ***Finally, something to thank God for!*** Overheard: "I’d give my right arm to be ambidextrous" J. Michael Phillips
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well this is the 3rd time this month that my 7yr old has had to stay home from school due to "migraine" i took her back to her ped this afternoon and the only thing he was concerned about was a slight redness in her tonsells. did not even really say anything about the headache except its prob a flu like headache…well i was the one up with her at 4 am and ill tell you that was no flu headache. I dont know if i should just take her on my own to a nuro? I just hate that she is now starting to suffer like i do.(she’s only 7) i gave her childrens advil and thank god it worked but that scares me too because of her age and ryes syndrome. a friend of my child died from it a few years
back. Well, I would suggest you go see a neurologist. Do you see one yourself or do you see your family doctor (or are you currently in "NO DOCTOR" mode ? At 4, my son went into a 3-8 headaches per month thing. Our family doctor (who is pretty good) was more comfortable with him seeing a neurologist. Chris was on periactin for about 8 months. It did great (except for the awful nighttime ones he got but that is another story). We took him off it because of some concerns about his sleeping. So far, he hasn’t gotten them as often as that (he did go though a bad period last year but after he got new glasses, it seemed to cool down). He currently get 1-2 a month (but can go upto 2 months sometimes). He is 10 now. In our case, we are using excedrin with a doctor’s blessing (as long as there is no fever). That combination of asiprin, tylenol, and caffiene works so well. Advil was working for him but had stopped and esgig made him throw up within 15 minutes (no matter how early we used it). We just check his temp before we give it. My daughter, age 6, also has migraines but, so far, advil is working for her (she has them a lot more infrequently). Advil worked for my son up until last spring (so almost 6 years). Actually, now that I am off caffiene on a regular basis, excedrin is working for me (I am alternating it with my Imitrex so I don’t take it too often). Georgia
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well this is the 3rd time this month that my 7yr old has had to stay home from school due to "migraine" i took her back to her ped this afternoon and the only thing he was concerned about was a slight redness in her tonsells. did not even really say anything about the headache except its prob a flu like headache…well i was the one up with her at 4 am and ill tell you that was no flu headache. I dont know if i should just take her on my own to a nuro? I just hate that she is now starting to suffer like i do.(she’s only 7) i gave her childrens advil and thank god it worked but that scares me too because of her age and ryes syndrome. a friend of my child died from it a few years back.
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Possible. Migraines seem to have some kind of hereditary factors, but it would be (I think) a little unusual for her to have started this young.
Just a comment, it is NOT unusual for children to get migraines. Many kids start very young. But I don’t think you should self-diagnosis your child. Take them to a caring migraine friendly family doctor or to a children’s neurologist. Migraines can start anytime in your life. I actually think my son had his first one at 9 months (although he didn’t get to the point of voicing head pain until he was almost 4). Georgia (who got her first migraine at 4 and has 2 migraine suffering kids)
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my 9 year old daugher also has a one sided throbbing headache which has lasted 2 days.i have given her neurofen.i am a migraine suffere .do you think she has it?she does not feel sick and is eating ok but is walking around with her hand on her temple.what do you think?
My migraines started approx. at the age of 6 yrs., so yes it could be possible she is suffering from migraines at this tender age. Hopefully, you live in a major city, where you would find a neurologist, preferably one who specializes in pediatrics in a nearby children’s hospital. Please, do not try to medicate or diagnose at home. When it comes to children —- don’t mess around —- get this checked out, ASAP. Good luck, Mary
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There is no way for me to know for sure. You should take her to a doctor, just in case . . . but . . . my 9 year old daugher also has a one sided throbbing headache which has lasted 2 days.
9-year old? Children often emulate their parents. They see you with your hand on your temple, and with a mild headache, they will emulate that behaviour because they know that you and yours will treat it as serious. i have given her neurofen.
I don’t know what that is, but if it’s prescription, you should definitely NOT – I repeat DO NOT give a 9-year old child prescriptions for an adult without the advice of a doctor!!! i am a migraine suffere .do you think she has it?
Possible. Migraines seem to have some kind of hereditary factors, but it would be (I think) a little unusual for her to have started this young. she does not feel sick and is eating ok but is walking around with her hand on her temple.what do you think?
My first guess is that she’s emulating behaviour of someone she loves and respects, but you should consult your doctor to be sure. Overheard: "I’d give my right arm to be ambidextrous" J. Michael Phillips
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Hi, have just found your newsgroup and would love some help and information. I took my 7 year old son to G.P. Monday, after suffering another weekend of TIA Regards. Sally Sydney. Aust.
Hi, Sally, There are other option for your GP to consider I would certainly get a second opinion. I would also talk to your GP about the more regular headaches. They may not be a concern at the moment, but the might change later in life and it would be good to have that under control. Seeing they are almost everyday I would be considering allergies. The Royal Prince Alfred Hospital has a very good Allergy Unit and they could probably help you or refer you to a good person. There are other possibilities, though. I have emailed you Priscilla’s Welcome FAQ. Suzie Melbourne, Australia There are three crowns: the crown of Torah, the crown of priesthood and the crown of royalty; but the crown of a good name exceeds them all. Pirke Avot 4:19.
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Dear Dr Devan Pardon my navite..but you couldn’t get me to come to INDIA on a bet..not even if you paid all my expenses!!! Please do not continue to insult the intelligence of those on this NG…we are ALL real headache sufferers,,,and amongst this group EVERY treatment known to modern ACCEPTED medical practice has been tried….for some it has helped…maybe just a little bit….but I doubt ANY of us would consider ourselves cured,,,,, Since I am a medical professional myself,,I take personal offense at your impudence and continued assaults on us.. Please peddle your wares elsewhere…perhaps in India people actually believe your nonsense,,,,but here in the US most of us are educated medical consumers….we demand FACTS and STUDIES to back up claims as ridiculous as those you continue to make.. Please disapear back into cyberspace…We promise we will CONTACT you..if any of us becomes desperate enough to consider your "snake oil" approach… I second the motion that we should complain to this guy’s ISP…. rb Hawki…the nurse practitioner
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Anne, You go girl!!!! Jackie
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Believe me ,there ae several documented, fully cured patients,after we made the breakthrough for a cure for migraine ,vascular and tension headaches.
Wow, are you serious? "Several" documented, fully cured, patients? I don’t suppose you could post the definition of "several", tell us the length of time since these patients were declared ‘fully cured’, (and whether or not they agree with you) and then tell us how many of the total number of patients you treated were NOT fully cured by your breakthrough cure, do you? And exactly who had vascular migraine headaches and who had tension headaches? Please feel free to include other answers to questions that I may have, in my enthusiasm, forgotten to ask about with the proper regard for the seriousness of this topic. Thank you, Anne "You must see the infinite, i.e., the universal, in your particular, or it is only gossip."–O.W.Holmes, Jr.
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Dear Sally, I read your letter and regret to note the suffering of your son.I am an Asst Clinical Professor of Otolaryngology and run a Headache and Vertigo Clinic.In my opinion,your son can be fully cured…you would have to come down here though(INDIA),or I will have to send the medication by mail..but then I would be treating without seeing the patient.Believe me ,there ae several documented, fully cured patients,after we made the breakthrough for a cure for migraine Bye.Dr.Devan. — Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com
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Last year our daughter came home from school on a Friday with a headache. Took her to the ER after vomiting and pain only on left side of her head. Treated for with phenergan 12.5 mg suppository and Motrin. Referred to Neurologist(sp) who did a cat scan to rule out tumors etc. Nothing there. Did a sleep study. Nothing.Put her on 25 mg Atenolol every day. He made me do a chart for two month of when headaches occurred, intensity on scale 1-10. It came down to stress at school. Our daughter had two teachers at the time alot of work. Eliminated alot of unnecessary work. Headaches stopped. We could use Motrin 400 mg while on the atenolol. Have recently taken her off the atenolol as the new school year started. No more headaches. Final diagnosis is Migraines even at 9 years of age. I was diagnosed at the age of seven many years ago. Alot of Doctors do not believe it can happen at a early age (ran into that problem). Hope this may help someone. Michelle
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My ten year old suffers from Migraines, for him the lights at his old school bothered him and caffeine . I am hoping his are’nt as bad as mine. Now my six year old has been complaining about his head hurting and he says it feels tight, I have three kids and so far it seems two of them have it God I hope my daughter does’nt get them. Shiela – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I must have missed the original post. I have had migraine’s for about 10-12 years. All of a sudden on wedneday my 7yr old daughter woke up in the middle of the night crying her head hurt and she was throwing up…Oh god i hope i have not passed this on to her. I gave her some childrens motren and it worked Thank god…… I called her Dr and he did not seem real concerned. Anyone else’s kids also have migraines?
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I must have missed the original post. I have had migraine’s for about 10-12 years. All of a sudden on wedneday my 7yr old daughter woke up in the middle of the night crying her head hurt and she was throwing up…Oh god i hope i have not passed this on to her. I gave her some childrens motren and it worked Thank god…… I called her Dr and he did not seem real concerned. Anyone else’s kids also have migraines?
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It sure wouldn’t hurt to have him checked out by a pediatric neurologist. But you have to be careful, some of them do not believe in pain medication. (I have run into these) It’s fine to use beta and calcium channel blockers or epilieptic medicine to prevent migraines, but you also need something for the ones the break through anyway. I wish him soft hugs and no pain for today. – Linda
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my 9 year old daugher also has a one sided throbbing headache which has lasted 2 days.i have given her neurofen.i am a migraine suffere .do you think she has it?she does not feel sick and is eating ok but is walking around with her hand on her temple.what do you think?
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Hi, have just found your newsgroup and would love some help and information. I took my 7 year old son to G.P. Monday, after suffering another weekend of headaches. His usual headache consists of dull ache across forehead with no dislike of light or noise, he just seems to be O.K. lying down watching T.V. I give him paracetamol and he’s fine. However, Monday he awoke with a "sore eyebrow" that "bangs"!! As a migraine sufferer from way back I recognised this one. Hence the trip to G.P. (This was the first time he’d described these symptoms). Our GP quickly checked him over and prescribed propranolol (Inderal). I asked about side-effects and he said that only asmatics(sp.) need worry. He asked that we return in two weeks for follow-up. After consulting my trusty drug book I am now concerned about such a young child being on such a heavy drug. My son certainly had a migraine on Monday, though his headaches (which occur nearly every day) do not seem to fit the migraine profile. He is a beautiful, sensitive boy and we have a good rapaul – I have discussed with him any worries or concerns he may have and believe this not to be the cause of his headaches. Should I trust this doctor? Should I ask to be referred to a peadiatric specialist? Am I right in believing further testing is required before turning to pharm. treatment. His typical headaches have continued, even today and the only other sympton he has is a stuffy nose ( no sinus pain though). Sorry to waffle on a bit, am really concerned and would appreciate any input from the group. TIA Regards. Sally Sydney. Aust.
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On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:03:38 GMT, charleswo…@access1.net wrote: >I ended up having 3 sinus >surgeries within a 2 year time period – awful! Sinus surgery is a horror >that you should AVOID!!
You obviously had a bad experience with surgery but the results of sinus surgery are very variable. My surgery was painless and entirely successful. Steve — ——————————————————– Stephen Wolstenholme: Neural Network Software Neural-Planner NeuroDiet EasyNN http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk
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In article <358902ba.934641@news>, st…@tropheus.demon.co.uk wrote: > You obviously had a bad experience with surgery but the results of > sinus surgery are very variable. My surgery was painless and entirely > successful. > Steve
Well, I now have to irrigate regularly and I have scar tissue to boot. Perhaps I could have AVOIDED surgery by irrigating.??? And I would have avoided scar tissue plus alot of pain and grief. I regret rushing into my first sinus surgery without even trying the irrigation FIRST. Now I will never know if I could have been helped by irrigation alone. My second ENT told me about the husband of a patient of his who had a WORSE sinus condition than the wife who DID have the sinus surgery. The husband did not want to have any sinus surgery so he just did the irrigation with the Grossan tip & water pik and his condition improved dramatically. Yes, each case is different and people have different outcomes with the surgery. I just want people to TRY irrigation before rushing into sinus surgery. I must say after my septoplasty revision and sub-mucous re-section of turbinates, I can breathe correctly!!! Yes surgery has it’s value and it’s place – it is just not the panacea or cure-all many people wish it was. I learned that the hard way. —–== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==—– http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
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In article <6m9shq$dm…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, charleswo…@access1.net wrote: > Hey there! > Do your own test – TRY a wet towel and if that helps you then > you are not having serious sinus problems. For the rest of us, > we mostly all swear by irrigation!
I think if my sinus problems were sufficiently SEVERE to have me post to a sinusitis newsgroup I might resent somebody else telling me that I can’t be suffering too much. > Sinus surgery is a horror that you should AVOID!!
Of course you SHOULD avoid surgery, but it is not the horror you suggest (or at least it wasn’t for me, I try not to fall into the trap of believing that my experience will be an acurate predictor of that of others.) I don’t mean to appear argumentative, I agree completely with Shelley that irrigation can be very helpful. I just tend to shy away from anything touted by somebody on a "crusade". Paul —–== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==—– http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
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Ploppy2 (plop…@aol.com) writes: >>But some major hospital ENT suggest >>the hot wet towel method as giving equal or better resul > What are the risks?
———————— Don’t recall the details but: –Various damage from pressurized water. –Spreading the infection via same. –Ear infections [see above]. None of this is supposed to happen if the device is used correctly, however, and some people swear by it.
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(charleswo…@access1.net) writes: >> Never heard of this before, but based on how awful I have felt whenever I >> accidently had water get into my nose (such in a swimming pool), it does not >> sound like something I would want to try. > NASAL IRRIGATION is so important! If you have read this newsgroup > for more than a day, you have to have heard of the water pik & G-tip!! > Whoever wrote that the water pik & G-tip is not safe and that > a warm wet towel works better is way off base or else has never really > had serious sinus problems!
I was the one who posted that and I have had sinus problems for over 40 years. Irrigation has beeen around for much longer than the grossan method, and other irrigation methods are considered safer. But some major hospital ENT suggest the hot wet towel method as giving equal or better results]with less with less risk.
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> I was the one who posted that and I have had sinus problems for > over 40 years. Irrigation has beeen around for much longer > than the grossan method, and other irrigation methods are > considered safer. But some major hospital ENT suggest > the hot wet towel method as giving equal or better results]with less > with less risk.
Hey there! Well don’t believe everything you hear or read. My FIRST ENT never even stressed the importance of irrigation to me. Do your own test – TRY a wet towel and if that helps you then you are not having serious sinus problems. For the rest of us, we mostly all swear by irrigation! I highly reccommend nasal washing or irrigation for anyone with sinus problems. I am on a crusade to share with others what has helped me with my sinus problems. I sufferered for years – went to many docs – took tons of antibiotics! Then my sinus infections became chronic and they eventually became unresponsive to antibiotics. Scary! I ended up having 3 sinus surgeries within a 2 year time period – awful! Sinus surgery is a horror that you should AVOID!! . Most doctors are completely unaware of how much help a safe, simple & cheap thing like nasal washing can be. My first ENT didn’t even STRESS the importance of it to me! Remember doctors aren’t doing HEALTH care, they are doing DISEASE care and are very ‘disease oriented’. If more people solved their sinus problems with washing, clean diet, good supplements etc. these docs would have to go begging for customers!! UN-salted water IS painful in the nose – but with rrigation, the water is warm & salted & with a pinch of baking soda to "buffer" it. Nasal washing is actually very SOOTHING and refreshing. If you have stagnant mucous or an infection, you want to get that stuff OUT of your nose!! You feel tremendous relief! No it is not painful but it takes some getting used to. You may find the sensation of water in the nose strange at first. But it is such a wonderful theraputic practice that if you suffer sinus problems, this will help you so much that you will come to LOVE it. It is your choice – why not TRY it and if doesn’t help you, you can STOP—yikes!!! it is not written in stone that you HAVE to continue!!. And it is COMPLETELY safe and natural. Try to keep an open mind and you will be amazed what you can learn! Shelley —–== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==—– http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
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Doctor, I’ve noticed that for some here (me included), their sinus conditions started subsequent to an accidental blow to the head. In spite of CT scans which showed no damage, and osteopathic treatments (including the "cranio sacral" type), my persistent vulnerability to infection continued. Any insights? Secondly, I’ve been having good results by sniffing up a home-brewed concoction based on Dr. Ivers’ "Sinus Survival" formula and then inverting my head (by bending over in a touch-the-toes position) for a short time, letting the formula "settle in" through the ostea (or so I presume). But your pulsating irrigation method has been recommended. After reading of the technique, I’m wondering how the solution actually gets into the sinuses. Thank you. Bob Gordon
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a blow to the head can result in sinusitis. The mechanism is that the cilia of the sinuses become stunned or dysfunctional and this allows infection to take place, since the ciia and the flow of mucus are no longer there to flush away bacteria. When I see such patients they have poor ciia function and recover when the cilia are restored. How does the irrigator work if the head is forward? Remember in school the suction from the water faucet in your science class? As the stream of water flows by a narrow opening, a suction is created and this is effective in pulling material out of the sinus. The faster the water flows, the greater the suction pressure. The big advantae of the water pik is that in addition to the flow of saline, you get the added advantage of pulsation which pumps the saline into the cavity while sucking out the contents. Plus it helps move and restore the cilia. Because the solution displaces out the sinus pus, it becomes filled with saline, which is desireable. This is why, 30 minutes later you have saline coming out the nose – this shows its working. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com tell a friend In article <6a5422$e1…@usenet87.supernews.com>, "Bob Gordon" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<elijahgor…@msn.com> wrote: > Doctor, > I’ve noticed that for some here (me included), their sinus conditions > started subsequent to an accidental blow to the head. In spite of CT scans > which showed no damage, and osteopathic treatments (including the "cranio > sacral" type), my persistent vulnerability to infection continued. Any > insights? > Secondly, I’ve been having good results by sniffing up a home-brewed > concoction based on Dr. Ivers’ "Sinus Survival" formula and then inverting > my head (by bending over in a touch-the-toes position) for a short time, > letting the formula "settle in" through the ostea (or so I presume). But > your pulsating irrigation method has been recommended. After reading of the > technique, I’m wondering how the solution actually gets into the sinuses. > Thank you. > Bob Gordon
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Anyone know the benefits of taking cayenne pepper? What ailments does it help? Any negative results from taking it?
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Anyone know the benefits of taking cayenne pepper?
Most of the reading I’ve done say cayenne improves circulation. FYI, I put it in my vegetable juices when I’m experiencing cold hands/feet. My husband sprinkles it in his socks to keep his toes warm in the winter. We use non-irradiated cayenne from our local health food store.
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Cayenne pepper is a very beneficial spice. Any hot spices serves to increase the metablolism slightly due to the increase in body temperature. Cayenne pepper specifically has been shown to decrease the cholesterol in the arteries, and help to increase heart and lung health. Not to mention it is great for clearing up the sinuses when you are stuffed from from either sinusitis or a cold. It also has been shown to help ulcers. Don’t ask me how! But I have an ulcer and cayenne has never set it off. And it is tasty too … I would say the only thing to be cautious of is taking it if you have a weak heart – I would not want to start off really strong then. Hope that helped some. I am just trying to remember this off the top of my head. — I finally got it all together . . . then I forgot where I put it. Katy Supreme Blonde One (Two)
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The following article appeared in the Sunday Times during September last year. It claims that a new drug is being developed to avoid hypoglycemic attacks in Type I diabetics. Does anyone have more information on this and Amylin Pharmaceuticals? I’d also like to find out more about the function of the hormone "Amylin".
Diabetes Interview had an article about amylin the hormone last summer. You could wait until I figure out where my copy is and post it, or you could call Diabetes Interview at 415-750-1958 to get a copy of the article. BTW, DI’s January issue featured an interview with the guy who had that first transplant of islet cells encased in seaweed extract. After being unable to work for the last 8 years, now he only takes 1/2 unit of insulin if he’s over 100 (5.5?), and is currently down to a total of about 5 units a week and starting a new job publishing country and western music . Oh — and the cost of the transplant was a cool million bucks. In case you were going to check your financial reserves and sign up. OTOH, an attached interview with the surgeon, Dr. Soon-Shiong, says he has received FDA approval to conduct 19 more transplants, only to people who have also had prior kidney transplants, though. So I wonder when it becomes affordable for us not-totally-crippled types? Lyle, having trouble deciding whether to watch the Olympic closing ceremony or rewind my VCR enough to watch the Living With Diabetes segment taped this afternoon…
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Type I diabetics (which I am a member for 28 years) have problems in both insulin production and also from unbalanced glucagon production at high levels during lows. CGRP and Amylin have been implicated in controlling aspects of this insulin/glucagon production. [...] The following are excerpts from a quick medline search. The last reference is the latest and greatest review from persons working at Amylin Corp. Many thanks for the summary and references! I was able to find the Amylin Corp. paper (TiPS April 1993) in my college library. The article is written in technical language I find difficult to decipher but I find a section towards the end quite informative: "AMYLIN DEFICIENCY IN IDDM Patients with IDDM have a double deficiency. In addition to their life-threatening lack of insulin, they have a significant amylin deficiency. The available data show that amylin expression and secretion by pancreatic $beta$-cells is absent or well below normal in IDDM. In several animal models of IDDM, pancreatic amylin secretion and gene expression are depressed. [...rats with IDDM also lack amylin] Measurements of plasma amylin in IDDM patients show that amylin is deficient in these patients after an overnight fast, and that a glucose load does not elicit any increase in amylin levels. PATHOLOGICAL CONSEQUENCES OF DEFICIENCY Our current understanding of amylin’s peripheral actions support the idea that amylin deficiency is associated with an increased risk of hypoglycaemia during insulin therapy, a risk that impedes the prescribing of higher doses of insulin aimed at achieving good glucose control. Because amylin stimulates the lactate flux important for post-prandial glycogen synthesis in the liver, a deficiency of amylin could lead to defective hepatic glycogen storage, and impairment of the counter-regulatory mechanisms that prevent hypoglycaemia. Indeed, recent data shows that glucagon raised glucose less effectively in IDDM patients than in matched healthy subjects. Amylin replacement experiments in $beta$-cell-deficient rats have provided evidence that hypoamylinemia could contribute to disturbances of hepatic gylcogen stores. In streptozotocin-treated [IDDM] rats on no therapy, liver glycogen was depleted by 73%. Treated animals receiving insulin replacement for five days had liver glycogen depleted by 42%. However, when a single daily dose of amylin (30$mu$g s.c.) was co-administered with their insulin, liver glycogen was normal. These results may indicate that amylin has chronic effects additional to the acute actions described above; the enhancement of liver glycogen was found more than 24h after the last dose of amylin." The article mentions that Phase II clinical trials are underway to assess its use in the treatment of IDDM. I look forward to reading about the results of these. Mark —
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The following article appeared in the Sunday Times during September last year. It claims that a new drug is being developed to avoid hypoglycemic attacks in Type I diabetics. Does anyone have more information on this and Amylin Pharmaceuticals? I’d also like to find out more about the function of the hormone "Amylin".
Amylin and closely related hormones calcitonin and calcitonin-gene-related-peptide (CGRP) are relatively new having been discovered since 1985. Calcitonin was discovered earlier mid sixties (??). Amylin was discovered as a major component in protein deposits in the islets of langerhans called amyloid plaques. CGRP was discovered first as an alternatively processed calcitonin gene product. These peptides act on widely distributed receptors in numerous tissues. The exact role of amylin and CGRP are unclear. Type I diabetics (which I am a member for 28 years) have problems in both insulin production and also from unbalanced glucagon production at high levels during lows. CGRP and Amylin have been implicated in controlling aspects of this insulin/glucagon production. Type II diabetics are affected by several possible problems. One is that amylin seems to increase muscle resistance to the effects of insulin, perhaps compounding the low or erratic levels of insulin production. Last month [August 1993], Glaxco, Britain’s largest
^^^^^^ Spelled "Glaxo". This company is the number 2 pharm company closely behind Merck in sales. Glaxo’s biggest product is Zantax (sp). They are multinational with US headquarters in Research Triangle Park near Durham, NC. This is not an area where the sites of action and the effects are completely understood. It is a very attractive area for both further research and drug development. There is not all that much literature available on the function and actions of these peptide hormones. All are active in a fashion apparently unrelated to insulin or glucagon production in the brain. Amylin receptors are abundant in a region of the brain called the nucleus accumbens. The following are several academic references to amylin’s properties. These may be too technical inorder to get the theme, but the bottom line is that the amount of publicly known info says to me that more research is needed. There is evidence that amylin itself may be a mild neuotoxin as well as all the good aspects. The following are excerpts from a quick medline search. The last reference is the latest and greatest review from persons working at Amylin Corp. AU - Leffert JD AU - Newgard CB AU - Okamoto H AU - Milburn JL AU - Luskey KL TI - Rat amylin: cloning and tissue-specific expression in pancreatic islets. SO - Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 1989 May;86(9):3127-30 AU - Ferrier GJ AU - Pierson AM AU - Jones PM AU - Bloom SR AU - Girgis SI AU - Legon S TI - Expression of the rat amylin (IAPP/DAP) gene. SO - J Mol Endocrinol 1989 Jul;3(1):R1-4 AU - Roberts AN AU - Leighton B AU - Todd JA AU - Cockburn D AU - Schofield PN AU - Sutton R AU - Holt S AU - Boyd Y AU - Day AJ AU - Foot EA AU - et al TI - Molecular and functional characterization of amylin, a peptide associated with type 2 diabetes mellitus. SO - Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 1989 ;86(24):9662-6 AU - Nishi M AU - Bell GI AU - Steiner DF TI - Islet amyloid polypeptide (amylin): no evidence of an abnormal precursor sequence in 25 type 2 (non-insulin-dependent) diabetic patients. SO - Diabetologia 1990 Oct;33(10):628-30 AU - Steiner DF AU - Ohagi S AU - Nagamatsu S AU - Bell GI AU - Nishi M TI - Is islet amyloid polypeptide a significant factor in pathogenesis or pathophysiology of diabetes? SO - Diabetes 1991 Mar;40(3):305-9 AU - Rink TJ AU - Beaumont K AU - Koda J AU - Young A TI - Structure and biology of amylin. AD - Amylin Pharmaceuticals Inc., San Diego, CA 92121. SO - Trends Pharmacol Sci 1993 Apr;14(4):113-8 — Frank Kolakowski O US Mail: Lee F. Kolakowski Renal Unit, 8th Flr. O O Massachusetts General Hospital Charlestown Navy Yard O O 149 13th Street FAX : 1-617-726-5669 O O Charlestown, MA 02129 Phone AT&T: 1-617-726-5666 O O The home of the G-Protein-Coupled Receptor Database (GCRDb) O
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The following article appeared in the Sunday Times during September last year. It claims that a new drug is being developed to avoid hypoglycemic attacks in Type I diabetics. Does anyone have more information on this and Amylin Pharmaceuticals? I’d also like to find out more about the function of the hormone "Amylin". "ESCAPE FROM UNDER THE SHADOW OF DIABETES", Sunday Times ?th September 1993 THERE may be light at the end of the tunnel for diabetics who have to endure the grim routine of insulin shots and the ever-present shadow of life-threatening attacks caused by dangerously low levels of glucose in the bloodstream. Last month [August 1993], Glaxco, Britain’s largest pharmaceuticals manufacturer, won an American patent protecting a new drug that experts believe could be the biggest breakthrough in diabetes treatment since insulin was discovered in the 1920s. [...] In collaboration with its joint-venture partner, Amylin Pharmaceuticals of California, it has turned new theories about how the disease is created into a drug with the potential to treat adult diabetes. Amylin, working by itself, is also developing a drug to prevent hypoglycemic attacks in young people. [...] The research by Glaxco and its Californian partner is concentrating on another natural hormone, amylin. Dr Gareth Cooper, a scientist at Oxford University who went on to become one of the founders of Amylin Pharmaceuticals, first identified the hormone in 1987. He noticed that abnormal levels of the hormone, produced naturally in the pancreas, were common in diabetics. The levels of amylin differed, however, for sufferers of Type I and Type II diabetes, suggesting that the hormone was palying a key role in the disease. Type I diabetics [...] were found to have very low levels of amylin. Later research found that by stimulating the level of amylin in the body, diabetics could prevent the hypoglycemic attacks they still suffer even when taking insulin. [...] The product Amylin is developing on its own is codenamed AC137 and will stimulate the hormone and prevent hypoglycemic attacks [...] It has already begun to be tested on humans – it has completed its first phase of trials and will start the second this month [September 1993]. The initial trials of a new drug only test whether a product is safe, rather than whether it works or not, but the comany has said that all indications are that the drug will be effective in treating diabetics. [...] [The article goes on to describe an oral "Amylin antagonist", codenamed AC253 being developed by Glaxco, for Type II sufferers who have too much amylin in their blood.]
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